Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #6

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Here again are the quarantine locations tied to the 11 airports....

The identified DOD installations and the airports they could support include
Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii, near Honolulu International Airport;
Great Lakes Training Center Navy Base, Ill., by Chicago’s O'Hare International Airport;
Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base, Texas, close to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport;
March Air Reserve Base (ARB), Calif., by Los Angeles International Airport;
Travis Air Force Base (AFB), Calif., near San Francisco International Airport;
Dobbins ARB, Ga., near Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport;
Fort Hamilton, N.Y., by John F. Kennedy International Airport;
Naval Base Kitsap, Wash., near Seattle-Tacoma International Airport;
Joint Base Anacostia-Bolling, D.C., by Dulles International Airport;
Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, N.J., by Newark Liberty International Airport;
and Fort Custer Training Center, Mich., near Detroit Metropolitan Airport.

Ventura County stated in post #276, is new to the list....no wonder I didn't recognize it.

Pentagon to provide military installations near 11 major airports for coronavirus quarantine
 
The U.S. and South Korea are considering a move to reduce military training due to risks from the virus outbreak, the defense ministers from both countries said Monday.

Coronavirus live updates: China reports 508 new cases, 71 additional deaths
Wonder if its because of this report today.....

A woman who had visited a store at a U.S. military base in South Korea has tested positive for the novel coronavirus, prompting U.S. Forces Korea (USFK) to raise its risk level to high.

The diagnosis announced Monday marks the first case of coronavirus related to USFK amid an outbreak in South Korea that has infected more than 800 people and prompted President Moon Jae-in to put his country on its highest possible threat alert level.

“South Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention informed United States Forces Korea today that a USFK dependent living in Daegu tested positive for COVID-19, making this the first time a USFK-related individual has tested positive for the virus,” a USFK news release said Monday.

In the release, USFK said the patient is a 61-year-old woman who visited Camp Walker’s Post Exchange on Feb. 12 and 15.

Camp Walker is in the southeast city of Daegu, which has been the epicenter of South Korea’s coronavirus outbreak.

Gen. Robert Abrams, the commander of USFK, added that the woman is the widow of a retired soldier.

US military dependent in South Korea tests positive for coronavirus
 
Interesting about that drug.

"Remdesivir - It was developed by Gilead Sciences as a treatment for Ebola virus disease and Marburg virus infections,[1] though it has subsequently also been found to show antiviral activity against other single stranded RNA viruses"

Remdesivir - Wikipedia
It didn't do very well against Ebola. But I guess we can hope it works better against COVID.
"The trial found two of the drugs were more effective than remdesivir, putting an end to efforts to establish the NUC inhibitor as a treatment option in Ebola. Despite the setback, remdesivir could emerge as a potential treatment for coronavirus."
Gilead mulls repositioning failed Ebola drug in China virus
 
As I posted earlier. I know this building. So, to update myself, I googled Fairview Hospital, Costa Mesa.
Most of the comments posted about it say "just tear it down, or, raze it".
How can you safely transport and quarantine 50 people to a dilapidated building in a weekend?
This place needs serious work! I would be terrified to be sent there. Kid you not!
I cannot even believe they're considering doing this.

Still waiting on update.....but found this in the meantime.......
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COSTA MESA (CBSLA) – The federal government has called the city of Costa Mesa’s attempt to block the transfer of coronavirus patients to the city “ill-informed and legally baseless.”

Documents filed Sunday by the federal government, including the CDC and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, urge the court to lift the temporary injunction in place that is stopping the transfer of up to 50 confirmed coronavirus patients from Travis Air Force Base near Sacramento to Costa Mesa’s Fairview Developmental Center.

Plaintiffs’ ill-informed and legally baseless application endangers the safety and well-being of the American people. Plaintiffs ask this Court to substitute unfounded speculation for the expertise of federal and state public-health authorities,” the documents state. “Public health experts at all levels of federal and state government need to spend their time and efforts addressing the COVID-19 outbreak and protecting the health and safety of our communities. Plaintiffs’ efforts have only increased the likelihood of the threats to public health that they seek to avoid.”

On Friday, the city of Costa Mesa filed a request for a temporary restraining order to block the transfer, stating that the federal government planned to transfer the patients this weekend but did not inform city officials until late Thursday night.

Officials said the patients are California residents and may be coming from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan from which more than 300 U.S. citizens were removed on Feb. 17.

'Ill-Informed And Legally Baseless': Federal Government Urges Court To Lift Injunction On Transfer Of Coronavirus Patients To Costa Mesa
 
Coronavirus: Judge suspends plan to move virus patients to Costa Mesa – The Mercury News

Meanwhile, three more passengers evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise tested positive on Sunday and were hospitalized in Solano County hospitals.

Looks like the state/federal response was correct considering these 3 went to Solano County hospitals.....
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The state argued that if Costa Mesa facility wasn’t used, Solano County and surrounding counties will be charged with caring for these individuals in hospitals and hotels, “seriously burdening their health care delivery systems,” according to state and federal legal filings in U.S. District Court.

The Costa Mesa facility was selected as a place that can provide up to 30 days of isolation and care, according to legal filings.

Other facilities — such as the Sonoma Developmental Center, Army National Guard Camp Roberts and closed youth correctional facilities — were considered, then rejected.

Travis coronavirus patients can't move to Costa Mesa yet
 
Today, I decided to disinfect my work area with Clorox wipes. And where clients sit. I diligently cleaned and disinfected the entire area.

Oh oh! The last client at my desk was Asian! I didn't do it because he was Asian...it was just an opportunity. No one said anything, but I was afraid of being accused of racism.

Geez, this whole thing is a bunch of land mines!
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This is a little OT, but to add a bit of levity, and how scared we are all getting!! My girlfriend and I went to the casino in Tampa last week-end for a long girls' week-end. We ordered room service and a little Asian man delivered it. He barely spoke any English. He had to go retrieve something else for us, and while he was gone I said to my girlfriend, "oh, no, did you see that man? Ask him where he is from and how long he has been in our country. She refused and said you do it. Well, needless to say, neither of us did it, but it definitely where, unfortunately, our heads are going to these days. MOO. Katt
 
Families "pleading urgently" with Canada for another evacuation flight from Wuhan

More than 40 families urged the Canadian government in a letter to charter an additional flight from Wuhan, China, to evacuate more people from the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak. The families represent about 100 Canadian citizens and permanent residents who want to leave Wuhan.

The families said their relatives did not board either of the previous government-chartered flights due to poor communication and misinformation. They gave examples of language barriers, limited internet access and personal isolation as reasons why people did not board the flights, and also cited general confusion about who was permitted to board the planes.

Coronavirus live updates: Reported cases spike as Europe struggles with its first major outbreak
 
Keep in mind what Dr. C said. At the beginning of an epidemic, or if no trace contact to someone previous, the death rate will be appearing high as no-one knew to test asymptomatic and milds, and only the very sick come in, are tested positive and have the CT scan to prove the dx. And if poor health response or overcrowding, death rate goes up (e.g. when system is overwhelmed and no beds that are now going to be suggested negative pressure/isolation.. jeez US only has 10 hospitals per Jersey Girl research!) So the death rate starts high....varies up then down (then up?) during the beginning phases. Both in China, and other places.

Also @Amonet, do you follow this link which follows closed/open cases? Look at their death rates. It goes to what we have been discussing. That the death rate should not be on the current cases, it needs to go back 2-3 weeks as to the number then.

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Coronavirus Update (Live): 79,707 Cases and 2,626 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

Coronavirus Update (Live): 79,707 Cases and 2,626 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

Right, see those figures you point to on the Worldometer are one thing I was looking at on the John's Hopkins site and wondering that it was working out closer to 10%.

But that goes back to what I've been saying all along, as have epidemiologists, that those are really stats for more serious cases that ended up getting tested and hospitalised with more obvious/severe symptoms....so that would skew the apparent fatality rate for Hubei.

And that's why I've been saying all along that we really needed figures from outside Hubei/China to get more understanding of the fatality rate for the general population that includes the milder cases.

And now we have 'hotspots' in places like Iran, we're probably seeing the tip of the iceberg problem again, the fatality rate is currently not showing deaths out of *all* cases, but instead it's deaths from the more severe cases that have come to the attention of health officials/hospitals.

It's quite frustrating how hard it is to get a clear picture.
 
This doesn't sound good.....
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South Korea will take maximum quarantine measures in Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province, according to Yonhap. Details will be released later today but officials say it's not a lockdown.
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South Korea plans to take maximum quarantine steps in the southeastern city of Daegu and its surrounding province to contain the new coronavirus and seek to create an extra budget, party officials said Tuesday.

The government, the ruling Democratic Party (DP) and the presidential office decided to thoroughly implement stepped-up containment measures in Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province, where infection cases have shot up in recent days.

The government has designated Daegu and the North Gyeongsang Province as "special care zones" to better cope with the outbreak of COIVD-19.

"The government is studying ways over containment measures ... Details will be later unveiled after a Cabinet meeting is held (later in the day)," Rep. Hong Ink-pyo, DP spokesman, told a press briefing.

The DP sent a message to reporters that the maximum containment policy means beefing up quarantine efforts, not an imposition of lock down. (Yonhap)
S. Korea to take maximum quarantine steps in Daegu, surrounding province against coronavirus
 
All I can say, is, I hope the constantly duelling politicians in the USA, put their politics aside and do whatsoever is best for we citizens.
If they try to make Covid-19 about politics, I will do my best to contact and enlighten the stupidos.
I REALLY. Hope that they don't make a medical problem, political. Uggh.

As the number of people in the U.S. testing positive for novel coronavirus ticks upward, the White House scrambled Monday to prepare a hefty emergency spending request for Congress to respond to the global outbreak.

Several sources told ABC News the figure could be around $1 billion, although they cautioned that the final number remains in flux.

How exactly that money will be used is still unclear, although it will likely be the subject of questions Tuesday when Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar testifies before the Senate Appropriations Committee. Also on Tuesday, several administration officials were expected to deliver a briefing to senators containing some classified information on coronavirus.

White House prepares emergency spending request for coronavirus
 
More censorship via quarantine......Iran this time....
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Mohammad Reza Qadir, head of the Qom University of Medical Sciences in Iran, was quarantined a day after the order to censor the statistics about the coronavirus.

One day after Qom University of Medical Sciences President Mohammad Reza Qadir described the coronavirus outbreak in Qom as critical in a live television program and revealed that the decision to censor the statistics and information about the outbreak had been issued by senior government officials, state-run media IRNA news agency reported that he was quarantined.

IRNA reported: Dr. Mohammad Reza Qadir, head of Qom University of Medical Sciences, has been in frequent contact with coronary patients for the past few days, and by the advice of doctors he should be kept in quarantine for some time.

It is unclear whether the quarantine of the Qom University of Medical Sciences chief will be along with his possible removal from the post of head of the medical university, but by applying quarantine conditions to him, in practice, his responsibility of dealing with Corona in the city and province of Qom which is the work area of Mohammad Reza Qadir is denied to him.

Of course, he has appointed Dr. Ali Abrazeh as vice-president of the university during an order.
The head of Qom University of Medical Sciences mentioned in a live television program four important points about the critical situation of Qom and the emancipation of patients infected with the coronavirus in the city.

He spoke about the critical situation of Qom and the wandering of patients infected with the coronavirus in the city, the censorship of information and statistics on the extent of coronary outbreaks by senior government officials, the monopoly of Tehran in the examination of the coronavirus under the supervision of the Ministry of Health's central headquarters, as well as a number of cases of nurses and doctors infected with the coronavirus.

Mohammad Reza Ghadir said in the interview, referring to the dire situation of the coronary virus in Qom: "I am used to speaking honestly. We should have to look at Qom differently. Qom's situation is inadequate and therefore I ask the Ministry of Health and government delegation for help, and to have a different view on Qom so that we do not see a coronavirus outbreak in Qom."

He said people from the medical and nursing staff have been infected or suspected of having the coronavirus, and in some cases, the results of their tests should be determined.

Qadir also described the situation of the Coronavirus outbreak in Qom as worsening, citing a "censorship order for statistics and information related to Corona” that was “ordered by the Ministry of Health not to disclose statistics."

Head of Qom University of Medical Sciences Goes into Quarantine after Disclosing Iran Corona Statistics Censorship Order
 
Right, see those figures you point to on the Worldometer are one thing I was looking at on the John's Hopkins site and wondering that it was working out closer to 10%.

But that goes back to what I've been saying all along, as have epidemiologists, that those are really stats for more serious cases that ended up getting tested and hospitalised with more obvious/severe symptoms....so that would skew the apparent fatality rate for Hubei.

And that's why I've been saying all along that we really needed figures from outside Hubei/China to get more understanding of the fatality rate for the general population that includes the milder cases.

And now we have 'hotspots' in places like Iran, we're probably seeing the tip of the iceberg problem again, the fatality rate is currently not showing deaths out of *all* cases, but instead it's deaths from the more severe cases that have come to the attention of health officials/hospitals.

It's quite frustrating how hard it is to get a clear picture.

You're right, we'll never know the true rate due to we don't know all the cases. And it may take a very long time to do a retrospective when a serology test comes along and those studies are done. Dunno, above my pay level as they still give ranges on recent diseases. This is a site that Dr. Sch.... covered this am in his video, which has this graph.
Updated COVID-19 statistics | Nucleus Wealth
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Coronavirus Lessons
(from live Nat'l news program)

Viruses more likely to grow in authoritarian government countries
  • epidemic kept secret for 20 days
Close live animal markets
  • pangolin suspected virus culprit
Propaganda does not equal public health
  • open fog spraying on streets does not make any difference
The role of the WHO should be revised
  • Tedros complied with demands of Chinese government
  • WHO not a global health swat team
Don't trust the numbers
  • some predictions are that 65% of all people will be infected
 
Wonder if its because of this report today.....

A woman who had visited a store at a U.S. military base in South Korea has tested positive for the novel coronavirus, prompting U.S. Forces Korea (USFK) to raise its risk level to high.

The diagnosis announced Monday marks the first case of coronavirus related to USFK amid an outbreak in South Korea that has infected more than 800 people and prompted President Moon Jae-in to put his country on its highest possible threat alert level.

“South Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention informed United States Forces Korea today that a USFK dependent living in Daegu tested positive for COVID-19, making this the first time a USFK-related individual has tested positive for the virus,” a USFK news release said Monday.

In the release, USFK said the patient is a 61-year-old woman who visited Camp Walker’s Post Exchange on Feb. 12 and 15.

Camp Walker is in the southeast city of Daegu, which has been the epicenter of South Korea’s coronavirus outbreak.

Gen. Robert Abrams, the commander of USFK, added that the woman is the widow of a retired soldier.

US military dependent in South Korea tests positive for coronavirus

This is not an unusual situation at all, that a spouse of a deceased member would be using on base facilities, while living out on the economy. And it presents a huge problem for managing contagion at military bases overseas. (I'll explain-- longish, so roll and scroll if not interested!)

One of the issues that I worry about with the South Korea outbreak is the rather large number of girlfriends and spouses of US service members who are living in SK illegally. (Yes, you read that right-- it's a problem that is seldom discussed openly.)

In the 90s I was a USAF flight nurse, stationed in Japan. Many locations in Korea are "unaccompanied" for lower ranking enlisted personnel (meaning, their spouse and minor children cannot accompany them during that tour). Despite this, many girlfriends and spouses came over anyway (as "tourists", but intending to stay a long time to be with their servicemen BFs and spouses), and ended up living in really appalling conditions off base. There are entire forums now devoted to how to bring your spouse/ GF illegally on an unaccompanied tour-- see Reddit, as an example.

Unaccompanied tour to Korea. Wife wants to come. Got any clues? Need Visa help. : army

Anyway, these women weren't eligible for any kind of on base or off base housing, because they were in the country illegally, and the servicemen couldn't legally rent off base housing for them because they were required to live in enlisted onbase housing (and a big chunk of their pay-- called BAQ-- is taken back for housing if they're on base.)

Most of the housing the women ended up using had no electricity, no running water, and no toilets. Not exactly great conditions, when you think about cleanliness and disease. Some got quite sick (hepatitis, pneumonias, GI infections, other infections, etc), ended up in local hospitals. Their servicemen BFs/ hubbies were distraught asking for military help, and then eventually we would work out the diplomatic details to move the american citizen on a medevac back to the states. Sometimes in revealing the hospitalization, the enlisted member was seriously disciplined for having a GF or spouse illegally in the country.

Anyway, the living conditions were so awful for many of these women that some of the higher ranking spouses started "Hospitality Houses", where these women (nearly all were women and older teens) could come and have a hot meal, a shower, a flush toilet, english conversation, etc. They tried to keep lists of who was in the country, and where they were staying. The women who were not even married to servicemen were in the worst situation, and didn't even have an ID card to be allowed to get on base, use the commissary, BX, medical facilities, etc.

One of our training postures as a medevac unit would have been to evacuate these american citizens if there were serious emergency situations-- which I think about now with the coronavirus outbreak there. These were difficult training situations to work up the chain, diplomatic issues, etc. There isn't even a clear count of how many are there.

Same situation in the Philippines, though the situation there is mostly retired servicemen who married local women. If the serviceman dies, the spouse still has authorization to use base facilities, though they live out on the economy.

So I think about how many US citizens (dependents, retired, etc) are living near military bases outside the country, and wonder how or if we are going to handle that now, with the epidemic/ pandemic. The military bases largely do not have the capability for lots of sick inpatients. A couple asymptomatic people onbase using facilities, in the commissary, BX, etc could expose the entire base to this disease. That affects our readiness posture worldwide. Sobering.
 
Pakistan, which has already sealed its border with Iran, has quarantined at least 200 pilgrims near the Taftan border crossing in Balochistan on Monday.

Provincial Health Secretary Mudassir Malik confirmed between 200 and 250 will remain under observation for the incubation period. Around 7,000 pilgrims have returned to Pakistan from Iran this month alone.

Pakistan has deployed 67 doctors at its border crossing with Iran to treat suspected patients of the deadly virus. At the same time, the government has declared a “coronavirus emergency” in five districts of the province – including Chagai, Washuk, Panjgur, Kech and Gwadar – as a preemptive measure.

The Pakistan provincial government has also announced it would not allow around 5,000 pilgrims currently in Iran to return following the outbreak of the infestation there.

The pilgrims said they were facing shortage of food and other necessities and were accompanied by children and women.

Govt quarantines pilgrims as virus takes toll on Iran | The Express Tribune
 
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