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My small hope would be that EB’s family might participate, but I completely understand why they would not.
Yes, I do too
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My small hope would be that EB’s family might participate, but I completely understand why they would not.
My small hope would be that EB’s family might participate, but I completely understand why they would not.
I stand corrected.It is actually quite the opposite,
That tells me the person driving it knew A LOT about cars, and manual transmissions, and how to drive them,
It is very common to leave a manual transmission in reverse gear when parked, and most mechanics will suggest their customers do so.
Which Gear Should You Leave a Manual Transmission Car Parked In?
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I remember the JB case very well and read all of those threads while he was still missing and remember very clearly the day his shoes were found...and then later, his remains.
A very good example of how someone sitting behind their computer can contribute solid ideas to help with a search of someone who is missing.
I very much agree with having a cold case squad opening up this case to fresh eyes. With some key pieces of evidence being uncovered after the trial in this case, it would be an ideal scenario to have someone brand new come in and have a look. DNA evidence has come such a long way in the past 30 years, surely there could be something new to find or even finally confirm that the blood was EB's and not that of another family member, as often suggested?
DNA would be on both the drivers and passengers seat belts, as well as perhaps the possibility of fingerprints on other areas (seat positioner) and or footprints on the gas and brake pedals.
The vehicle being found left in reverse has always been a real puzzle to me as well, as though the person who left it that way didn't have a clue how to drive a standard vehicle.
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If the car was ever moved from the shop, I think that the person who moved it would have left it NOT somewhere where he could last be placed with EB by a potential witness, but back at the campus where it could blend in more easily and where she was last expected to be at.
I have always had my doubts about the 401 sighting.
It would also make sense to me that if someone was going to take an unwilling EB across the highway to Lake Scuggog, they would have first disabled her and then put her into the trunk area to minimize the risk of her alerting the attention of another driver. In addition, I think that there would have been more than one sighting of her on the 401 that day. JMO
EB could very well be much closer to where her car was found, somewhere well-concealed.
Sorry, I know I am not bringing anything new to this discussion, just hoping there would be some way to re-ignite it so that the right person takes interest and decides to breathe new life into the investigation.
This is one case that I have always felt can and will be solved. Just a feeling I've got.
I have never discounted PB for this case. He got increasingly violent towards his victims when he was working solo as the Scarborough Rapist.
JMO
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.1238168Metallic's great aunt, Tracy Metallic, told CBC News the family will now continue to search with the help of cadaver dogs.
The dog handlers, volunteers with the Ottawa Valley Search and Rescue Dog Association, are not charging for their services, but the the family will still have to pay for the cost of travel, accommodations and some expenses for the dogs.
I find it very sad that this case didn't capture the attention of a single media outlet at the 30 year mark that I could see from my online searches.‘Murder will out’.
I have the same gut feeling that you have about the case. I also think she is close to where her car was found.
At least, can we go over it one more time with resources? I think we could get volunteers.
OVERT is a volunteer organization, but they act on the request of law enforcement agencies.
It is possible to hire cadaver dogs.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.1238168
The Jeffrey Boucher thread drew in active police detectives, SAR personnel, including a tracker, media and ultimately Mrs. Boucher, his wife. That energized the search. I don’t know if OVERT would have done their final ‘training exercise’ at the shore that ultimately led to the discovery of the remains if there wasn’t signs of a private persistent search.
His remains were found on the Lake Ontario Shore, but in a place inaccessible to the general public: there’s a gated community in Whitby and that part of the shoreline is part of that enclosed area.
We searched the shore, but couldn’t access the area. The property owners there didn’t search until the day of our organized search (OVERT and us volunteers).
Are EB’s remains close to where her car was found, but on private property?
This happened with the Mariam Makhniashvili case as well: her remains were found on private property, close to the official search area, but the owners—of a golf course—didn’t search their property despite public requests of property owners to do so.
If TPS could open the case, maybe they could make a new map of places of interest based on the players involved.
Thank you for adding clarity and correcting my (mis)information.Bradfordsleuth wrote: I have always had my doubts about the 401 sighting.
It would also make sense to me that if someone was going to take an unwilling EB across the highway to Lake Scuggog, they would have first disabled her and then put her into the trunk area to minimize the risk of her alerting the attention of another driver. In addition, I think that there would have been more than one sighting of her on the 401 that day. JMO
The 410 sighting has no relation to a possible trip to Lake Scugog at that particular time, imo. The timing of that sighting is actually prior to the witness sighting of EB in her car in front of the Auto body office. The 401 witness's seven page statement was taken by one of the lead investigators but never disclosed to the Defense, and the Crown says it was never disclosed to them either. This witness actually went down to the trial and asked said lead investigator why he wasn't being used because he believed that RB was not the person he saw driving the car. This witness was told he was not needed and to just go away, which he did.
Imo the 401 witness is extremely credible as he put EB in the passenger seat of her own car. He also described EB putting her hands on the passenger window as she looked at him. What this witness couldn't have known at the time of his statement is the the CFS discovered prints in that same area, which matched prints from EB's room but because there was no body, they were not allowed to testify that they were indeed EB's prints, and rightly so they shouldn't. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together.
As for there should be more reports of the 401 incident. I absolutely agree with you and I absolutely believe there is but were never brought to the attention of the defense because it would have crushed their case against RB and having him kill EB prior to 7pm.
I have heard from someone who gave me his information on his sighting of EB that night. He called it into crime stoppers, or the number on the flyer, I would have to check that as it's been a few years. No one ever got back to him. He described EB to a T and what she was wearing. His sighting took place just east of the park, near where OKR meets I think it's Dawson Rd. She was alone and this was right around the time RB says he's at home, but the police want him at the tennis courts with EB.
There is binder of all the EB sightings and imo, there is absolutely other credible sightings of EB but if they happened after 7pm, there's no way they wanted them brought forward if they didn't have to.
Lexiintoronto wrote:
If TPS could open the case, maybe they could make a new map of places of interest based on the players involved.
Hey Lexi. This is everyone's hope and wish, except the TPS and the B family.
The TPS have no reason to reopen the case unless they are somehow forced to. I see only two ways this would happen.
1) the B family demand it, which is not going to happen
2) RB is officially and publicly exonerated which forces them to reopen it.
If the TPS say they believe they had the right guy, then there's no reason for them to reopen the case. Their concern is not for EB, it is only to get a conviction and put society at ease and get the case off the books.
Whether they actually believe it or not, about RB's guilt, is immaterial now, what is most important is protecting themselves from the embarrassment of having convicted an innocent person.
As for cadaver dogs. I had explained in an earlier post how my search partner JS had called everyone who was involved in cadaver dogs and none would come because they are all hooked in with law enforcement and when they check with the TPS, they are all denied by the TPS to help us. If they are out of TPS jurisdiction, they need TPS okay and they flat out don't get it when this specific case is mentioned.
JS had promises from one in Ottawa and one from Durham region that they'd be happy to help and couldn't foresee any issues as they've helped out in other jurisdictions before with no issues.
They both contacted TPS and both were flat out denied access to the TPS jurisdiction when the name of the case was mentioned. There person from Ottawa barely took another call from JS and the Durham region person said they had never encountered this kind of denial before as not a dime was coming out of the TPS budget. JS was paying for everything out of his own pocket.
If anyone else has any luck with getting a cadaver dog, that would be awesome. Let us know how it goes.
Sometimes if a vehicle is deemed a 'crime scene' the seatbelt and even the seats or carpets are removed completely for cs analysis.Bradfordsleuth wrote:
DNA would be on both the drivers and passengers seat belts, as well as perhaps the possibility of fingerprints on other areas (seat positioner) and or footprints on the gas and brake pedals.
But how would they get any of these things from the car now?
Sometimes if a vehicle is deemed a 'crime scene' the seatbelt and even the seats or carpets are removed completely for cs analysis.
I guess it is too much wishful thinking on my part that there are seatbelts in one of those evidence boxes that are collecting dust?
Was her car destroyed or released back to the family?
JMO
No proof in Bain's car to pin killing on BernardoNot from a list of exhibits submitted to the Centre of Forensic Sciences that included: a package of du Maurier cigarettes (Bernardo's preferred brand but also the brand smoked, on the rare occasions she did smoke, by Bain), three matchbooks, three cigarettes (one with the filter tip removed), two blankets from the trunk, a car door panel, blue carpet from the interior of the car, a "Sprite'' pop can, a pen, a Kleenex, two live matches and fibres from the rear of the Toyota.
Lexiintoronto wrote: They still have evidence from EB’s car, as they were able to exclude Paul Bernardo’s DNA
Never heard of this. As far as known the only dna in the car was that of a female offspring of Mr and Mrs Bain. If you have something about dna other than what I've explained, would love to hear about it Lexi.
What I've heard about regarding Bernardo is that his prints didn't match any found in the car. At least that's what the story is.
Lexiintoronto wrote: They found RB’s DNA on the blankets in the trunk.
They also found EB's and Mr Bain's dna on the same blanket. This is the blanket that RB says he and EB used on the Sunday night when they went to the park and made love.
Lexiintoronto wrote: The door panel was kept...maybe the passenger side where the blood smears were?
Do you mean they gave the car back to the family minus the door panel?
There was no blood smears on the door panel, they were along the front of the back seat where your thighs would be against if one was sitting on the backseat.
If true what you're saying Lexi, any chance of where the source is for this. Much appreciated.
Lexiintoronto wrote:
I don’t remember where I heard this, but didn’t the family eventually destroy the car (junked?) They has it for a while and the younger brother drove it, iirc.
I believe they did, but I will check with JS and find out for sure.
Lexiintoronto wrote:
Does anyone have a link to an official statement somewhere saying the EB case is closed? There are news articles that state the police consider it closed, but nothing in concrete.
If there is I would love to see it as well. The only one I know about is Detective Raybould saying to the press "case closed" and I believe this was after RB's acquittal in 2008.
Other than that, I haven't found any official concrete statement saying it was closed and as I said, if one ever existed at anytime, would love to know about it.
The big issue I have with the car is that it is the only real physical evidence in this case and they gave it back to the family before they arrested their suspect which left his defense with no chance of getting it looked at themselves.
How do you give evidence of any nature, let alone the only real piece in a case, back to the family before the arrest, the prelim, and the trial.
The defense has no chance at it now because it has all become contaminated. Makes one think it was done on purpose so their findings will be the only findings.
The other thing is, it was actually Mr Bain who first contacted the guy about doing the mileage test, it wasn't the police and this wasn't done until 1991.
How could those mileage tests be allowed into evidence when the car was out of police custody for almost a year and a half before it was tested.
The police never intended on doing any mileage test because they never believed in the Pt Perry sighting and that's one of the reasons they gave the car back to the family so early.
All my own opinion.
Quoted snipped and bbmThe big issue I have with the car is that it is the only real physical evidence in this case and they gave it back to the family before they arrested their suspect which left his defense with no chance of getting it looked at themselves.
How do you give evidence of any nature, let alone the only real piece in a case, back to the family before the arrest, the prelim, and the trial.
The defense has no chance at it now because it has all become contaminated. Makes one think it was done on purpose so their findings will be the only findings.
The other thing is, it was actually Mr Bain who first contacted the guy about doing the mileage test, it wasn't the police and this wasn't done until 1991.
How could those mileage tests be allowed into evidence when the car was out of police custody for almost a year and a half before it was tested.
The police never intended on doing any mileage test because they never believed in the Pt Perry sighting and that's one of the reasons they gave the car back to the family so early.
All my own opinion.
I cannot quote more of the article I linked because of the copyright rules, but in it, DiManno wrote about the DNA results.
DiManno said a door panel.
The article makes it seem as though they have DNA profiles from the car that may be useful.
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Since it was evidence that was being used in a possible crime investigation, or at the very least a missing persons investigation, the vehicle should have been kept by LE until the matter was closed.
A very good example of just one of the ways this case mishandled by TPS.
JMO