Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

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MOO JMO Poor Vanessa’s mother! She is being used and misled!
Mom says “I don't really know how they killed her, because nobody wants to tell me...” (Emphasis added)
Mrs. Guilllen apparently doesn’t understand English too well, and cannot read for herself that her daughter was bludgeoned to death by a 20 year old black psychopath - all alone without the involvement of anyone else! There is no “they”!

“Gloria Guillén confessed that a soldier from the base gave her a lot of information for the case, but said, “I can't speak because they kill me, or make my family disappear” “They” again.
I don’t believe Mrs. Guillen knows anything in particular about the sad death of her daughter. If she really did have information, why would she hide it? Why would someone tell her to hide it?
It appears Mrs. Guilllen is being subborned to conceal evidence of crimes. Shall I say “They” are subborning her?
Doesn’t VG’s mom have a duty to tell she knows about her daughter’s horrible murder? If VG’s mom has information about potential danger to women soldiers at Ft. Hood, particularly Latinas, should she share that information or not?

I would not tell her the details either. She does not need to know that he obliterated her child's face and teeth. It is enough to know she lost her child.
 
I’m not going to bother reading your comments anymore. What’s the point? Someone went missing and the people responsible for her only found out when a family member who had been desperately trying to get in touch with her for nine hours called and asked about her. Anyone twisting themselves into a pretzel to justify this massive failure of leadership isn’t worth my time. It's proof they don't asking know what they're talking about. I don’t need a response because I don’t need to deal with people who try to justify the unjustifiable.
BBM

Exactly the type of misinformation I've been talking about.

3rd Cavalry Regiment Leaders made contact with SPC Guillen's family the evening of April 22, 2020, in an effort to locate her and determine if the Guillen Family had any information on SPC Guillen's whereabouts. 3rd Cavalry Regiment Leaders had additional phone conversations and met in person with members of the Guillen Family on April 23, 2020.
Remembering Vanessa Guillen

The military called the family when they could not locate her after she did not turn up after a reasonable amount of time.

Unless you're claiming an easily verifiable fact is a lie that goes all the way up to at least the corps level...
 
This is going to get unwieldy, but I want to respond point by point:
MOOIOO
Most buildings on military installations are not necessarily access-controlled unless they have a specific reason to be. You've already controlled access to the base by only allowing people to enter with proper credentials or background checks. She would not need her ID in most cases unless she left post and needed to come back on.


He was a small arms maintainer. He likely had unaccompanied access to the arms room, which requires a background check and the commander to approve. No key is necessary to open the main door, and if the cage door was shut, he likely had a key assigned to him permanently. The only odd thing that would become apparent at some point is if someone checked the alarm system logs and saw that he came in and disabled the alarm at 2030, but that was unlikely to happen until a physical security inspection.


This was during the self-isolation period of COVID on Ft. Hood. Most soldiers were confined to their barracks during this; there would not be a lot of people out and about doing things. She was out because she needed to complete an inventory.

I'm not sure why you think no one was looking for her - just because they didn't start a massive formal CID investigation in the first few hours she was missing doesn't mean people weren't actually out there trying to figure out where she's at. If an adult you knew didn't show up to an appointment and you can't get in touch with them for a few hours and called the police... What would the police normally do? Do they immediately start an all-hands search for someone missing for a few hours?


I'm not sure what impression you have of military bases. There aren't roving guards throughout all buildings all the time. There are MPs that respond to alarm signals and emergency calls and patrol the post in general. That's about it. It's not prison...


These are gross mischaracterizations. Do you have guards roving throughout the halls of your workplaces at all times? Oppressive presence of force that sees everything all the time? I'm also not sure why you say "no one bats an eyelid". People were looking for her, locally. They were trying to figure out what happened. It's easy to say after the fact, "You should have known she was murdered!" but realistically, how likely is that? After several hours passed (less than 24), and they could not find her, they immediately reported it to CID and an investigation and full search was started. That's incredibly more than you'd normally get in the civilian world.


Didn't think it was relevant, or thought it would be silly to report until it bothered them enough to report it "just in case". (MOO)


It's possible her arms room did not have a storage rack for the .50cal weapons being referenced, so they were stored in AR's arms room. This is common. It appears he worked in the headquarters company/troop for the battalion/squadron, so this would be a common arrangement. Her being in her headquarters' arms room isn't weird or suspicious on its face.


Not trying to be rude, but it doesn't make sense to you because it appears you're unaware of or have little experience with daily life on a military installation. Not much here that you have highlighted is actually strange.

ETA: There is also a weird tone with your post. You act as if soldiers are supposed to be babied or constantly monitored or supervised. They need constant guards, and why aren't supervisors constantly around monitoring them? "Twenty somethings" are just allowed to do whatever they want...

Soldiers have an immense amount of responsibility, and are generally expected to be fairly autonomous. You're cool with handing that same twenty-something a rifle and telling them to go kill bad guys for you (not "you", personally, but "you" in general), but heaven forbid they not have constant supervision in garrison because they're all of a sudden not responsible adults anymore for some reason.
 
Of course that is expected. But there are effective ways of ensuring this stuff is getting done without having to be physically around and checking on employees all day long. If you have people less likely to work without supervision and people you have identified that are capable of accomplishing their tasks without constant oversight, which would you spend more time on? Why, if you have subordinates that demonstrate they can meet suspenses and accomplish their tasks routinely, would you feel it necessary to constantly check up on them?


Isn't this literally what I said? You don't trust your employees to do work, so you have to micromanage them - hover around constantly to make sure work is getting done.


I never said that. Talk about misinterpreting... I have said that supervisors do not need to be constantly hovering around their subordinates to be effective leaders. Of course you're going to check up on tasks and make sure they're being accomplished. Items not being accomplished leads to reprimands and repercussions. However, that doesn't mean I need to babysit soldiers all day.


My whole attitude is that you're coming close to asking for basic civil liberties to be infringed upon in order to make things "safer", when the thing that we're talking about is an exceedingly rare occurrence. I would never expect a soldier that did not show up to a formation to be brutally murdered elsewhere. All of this is being talked about with perfect hindsight. In the moment, it does not seem like leaders did anything irrational or crazy or bizarre.


What are you talking about? Your friend was talking about "fobs" to separate males from females. They're already separated and have their own lockable dorm-style rooms. How would an additional locking system prevent anything?

My attitude is not that it's "safe enough". I've said repeatedly in this thread that Ft. Hood has a ton of issues, and that sexual harassment is a massive issue in the army. The issue, though, is people like yourself come in with absolutely no military experience and seem to believe that there should be guards everywhere or have all of these great ideas that would probably do absolutely nothing to have prevented this murder, while also making life a nightmare for soldiers that are guilty of nothing. Or facts are greatly exaggerated and conspiracies about faulty leadership are created. Like, this kind of thing happens outside of the military and it's accepted as terrible, but a part of reality. The killer was a nutjob and it is a tragedy. When it's on a military base, effectively punish all other soldiers because a lunatic went off the rails and lashed out and killed a fellow soldier. Makes sense.


You're now obfuscating the murder with sexual assaults. You also have not responded to my valid questions about how you would feel about implementing these same measures on "ordinary" civilians in the name of preventing crime. Or if your manager checks up on you on your days off. Do you keep tabs on where your employees are when they're not working? Should employers be mandated to make sure they know where you are in your off-time? Should civilians be mandated to partner up to go anywhere?

The key concept that seems to be missing here is, and I cannot emphasize this enough: Soldiers are people, too. They're not captives in a prison or violent criminals that need constant supervision to prevent them from killing or assaulting each other. Soldiers are far more likely to kill themselves because of stupid ideas from toxic leadership that makes life a living hell and adds an immense amount of pressure on top of an already overtaxed and overdeployed force that suffers from PTSD and other issues as a result. You say I'm the problem, but I have had exactly zero problems with my soldiers. I'll let my leadership results and the skill-building I've fostered speak for itself. Again, soldiers are people.

What branch are you in?
 
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In reality, only two time periods are involved here: before a 20 year old psychopath murdered poor VG and after. Leaving out: statistics, feelings, obviousness, deductions, probabilities, logic, the experience of relatives in the Armed Forces, VG’s Mom,etc.
What actual cold, hard tangible EVIDENCE is there that AR sexually harassed VG prior to the day he murdered her? Chapter and verse pear!
Next: it seems settled that AR, acting alone, murdered poor VG. How does anything that happened AFTER the murder matter to Congress?
NEXT: A black man murdered VG. Where does race prejudice against Latinas come in?
FACTS! EVIDENCE PLEASE! No stories about relatives in Bakersfield.
 
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Do we know the details of the "new information that CA has told the authorities yet? **steps out of room slowly**

Not that I have seen. Will we ever know? The case against AR ended with his death.
Maybe the VG family could civilly sue his estate to get more info if the investigators are not sharing with them.
 
I'll post this - and will wait on @Seattle1 to let me know IF this is still a "go".

Tuesday, July 14th:
*Preliminary & Bond Hearing (@ 9am CT) - TX – Army Specialist PFC Vanessa Guillén (20)(last seen April 22, 2020, reported missing April 23, 2020, Ft. Hood military base, remains were found (June 20, 2020) in 3 shallow graves next to the Leon River in Texas & the remains were sealed in concrete; ID’d July 4, 2020) - *Cecily Anne Aguilar (22) – (Robinson’s GF) – arrested (7/1/20) & charged (7/2/20) with 2nd degree conspiracy to corruptly alter, destroy, mutilate or conceal an object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the objects integrity or availability for use in a criminal. Held without bond.
*Aaron David Robinson (20) one of the suspects, shot himself overnight at around 1:30 a.m. Wednesday (4/22/20) after learning human remains were found. He ran out in shorts when confronted and shot himself in the head. The suspects tried to burn Guillen & evidence at the crime scene, near Leon River, which is around 26 miles from the base. Aguilar helped dismember the body.
Robinson info, Timeline post #534 & court info from 7/2/20 reference post #536 here:
Found Deceased - TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

7/6/20 Update: LE moved her from Bell County jail to McLennan County jail so she could appear in Federal Court in Waco today, 7/6. Aguilar is held without bond after an initial appearance Monday morning before a federal magistrate judge. She’s charged with conspiracy to tamper with evidence with intent to impair a human corpse, according to online records. The offense carries a potential maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. A preliminary & bond hearing is scheduled for July 14. Attorney Lewis Berray Gainor was appointed to defend Aguilar.
 
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I'm asking because it's hard for me coming from a civilian background to understand what's normal in the military and what isn't. It seems like civilian work environments have far more security and accountability than Fort Hood, at least. And it's important to question that. Based on the number of soldiers who complain about sexual assault and sexual harassment, there isn't enough being done to secure the places soldiers live and work. And that's everyone's problem because they are there to protect us. The least we should do is demand that they be protected.

If all the things I asked about are perfectly normal on bases, that needs to change. Lax security and accountability are recipes for disaster. What happened to Vanessa is an unusually big disaster, but there are a lot of smaller disasters taking place every day in our military, and that needs to stop. We all need to ask these questions and demand that those in leadership positions in the military work harder to bring their safety and security standards up to the level of the average corporate workplace.

Edited to add: If these things are normal, then we shouldn't expect more criminal charges in this case. If they aren't normal, I expect there will be more criminal charges. Not because other people participated in the murder, but because they didn't do things that could have prevented it. For example if a supervisor was supposed to check in on AR every couple of hours, but never bothered to do it, that person probably should face charges. AR having that room uninterrupted for most of the day meant he felt no qualms about beating in someone's head with a hammer and creating a huge mess in the process, knowing that no one would find out. If someone was checking in on him often, he may have constrained himself. If he was supposed to be supervised, but that wasn't done, then that supervisor has some responsibility for what happened.
 
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I'm asking because it's hard for me coming from a civilian background to understand what's normal in the military and what isn't. It seems like civilian work environments have far more security and accountability than Fort Hood, at least. And it's important to question that. Based on the number of soldiers who complain about sexual assault and sexual harassment, there isn't enough being done to secure the places soldiers live and work. And that's everyone's problem because they are there to protect us. The least we should do is demand that they be protected.

If all the things I asked about are perfectly normal on bases, that needs to change. Lax security and accountability are recipes for disaster. What happened to Vanessa is an unusually big disaster, but there are a lot of smaller disasters taking place every day in our military, and that needs to stop. We all need to ask these questions and demand that those in leadership positions in the military work harder to bring their safety and security standards up to the level of the average corporate workplace.

Edited to add: If these things are normal, then we shouldn't expect more criminal charges in this case. If they aren't normal, I expect there will be more criminal charges. Not because other people participated in the murder, but because they didn't do things that could have prevented it. For example if a supervisor was supposed to check in on AR every couple of hours, but never bothered to do it, that person probably should face charges. AR having that room uninterrupted for most of the day meant he felt no qualms about beating in someone's head with a hammer and creating a huge mess in the process, knowing that no one would find out. If someone was checking in on him often, he may have constrained himself. If he was supposed to be supervised, but that wasn't done, then that supervisor has some responsibility for what happened.
 
I’m not going to bother reading your comments anymore. What’s the point? Someone went missing and the people responsible for her only found out when a family member who had been desperately trying to get in touch with her for nine hours called and asked about her. Anyone twisting themselves into a pretzel to justify this massive failure of leadership isn’t worth my time. It's proof they don't asking know what they're talking about. I don’t need a response because I don’t need to deal with people who try to justify the unjustifiable.

The ignore feature is your friend. Welcome to Websleuths, socalgrl.
 
BBM

Exactly the type of misinformation I've been talking about.


Remembering Vanessa Guillen

The military called the family when they could not locate her after she did not turn up after a reasonable amount of time.

Unless you're claiming an easily verifiable fact is a lie that goes all the way up to at least the corps level...
Vanessa's sister claims that it's not true that the army called the family to tell them she was missing. She said she was the one to call them. She and Vanessa's boyfriend had been trying to reach her all day. Her unit reported her missing the following day, on the 23rd, according to the affidavit.
 
Vanessa's sister claims that it's not true that the army called the family to tell them she was missing. She said she was the one to call them. She and Vanessa's boyfriend had been trying to reach her all day. Her unit reported her missing the following day, on the 23rd, according to the affidavit.
I’ve looked a lot and can only find one place where she makes the claim that she tried to get in contact with Vanessa’s sergeant, and there’s not a lot of specifics going on there. As I stated before, it would be silly for the Army (and this is at one of the highest levels at this point) to just outright fabricate such a claim that can be easily proven or disproven.

Her unit reported her missing to CID the next day. As I said to someone else, that doesn’t mean they weren’t trying to figure out if she was around somewhere else in the meantime. From what I can find, it certainly seems like people were looking for her and couldn’t find her. They then reached out to her emergency contact. The next morning they escalated it to law enforcement.
 
Vanessa's sister claims that it's not true that the army called the family to tell them she was missing. She said she was the one to call them. She and Vanessa's boyfriend had been trying to reach her all day. Her unit reported her missing the following day, on the 23rd, according to the affidavit.

From an April 27 article,

"Mayra Guillen said the last text conversation she had with her sister was the night before she disappeared. The pair talked about Vanessa’s plans to buy a new car, she said. However, Mayra Guillen suspected something was wrong the next day when her sister’s boyfriend said she was not answering texts or phone calls.

“As soon as I saw the clock strike 9 p.m. I knew she wouldn’t be working from 9 a.m. until 9 p.m.,” she said. “That’s when I started getting in touch with her sergeant.”"

Army offers $15,000 reward to help find missing Fort Hood soldier

There's also more here about how the family started to become concerned around noon that something was wrong.

Exclusive: Missing soldier was ‘happier than ever,’ then mysteriously vanishes, sister says as desperate search continues
 
We should start hearing news soon.

Christina Carrega
@ChrisCarrega


Bond hearing expected for Cecily Ann Aguilar today (1:30 p.m. central time) in federal court. Aguilar is accused of tampering with evidence in connection to the disappearance of Fort Hood soldier #VanessaGuillen.
6:16 AM · Jul 14, 2020·

Okay - I have 9am as start time, guess that was wrong - Thanks!
 
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