Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #135

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She's such a good big sister. I just want to hug her.
Me too. When you think about how a murder or tragedy in the family can affect much older adults that she is, she is super impressive. I feel the same about Sarah Turney. Apparently she happened to be in Indiana last week and immediately reached out to Kelsi to see how she could help.
 
Wow. She and Sarah are saying how fake some of the tv shows are about true crime. Dr. Phil, 20/20, People Magazine, even the HLN documentary (I think she means they did some things to make things more dramatic or something). Sarah also says she's been lied to. The families do it to keep their stories out there.
 
I appreciate your opinion, but also, I have to say: It seems like you are overriding the perspective of many trained LEOs, forensic specialists, investigators, and (likely) video/audio experts, and are replacing their findings with your own "gut feelings" that are derived from a very short "video" (really not much more than what I believe are a few still frames that have been "stabilized" & reoriented" to appear as level & "free flowing" as they can). So, based on all that, I find it a little harder to discount their findings so easily.
...but that is why we are here at WS, and what makes this such a great site. It is good to hear varying opinions - even if they do not at all align with our own!

(Edited by me to remove a dbl post. Removed an initial response that just didn't come across as what I intended to say.)

I agree that all the people you wrote about have more experience and probably know more about the case. In other cases I have agreed with the LE profile. I just do not agree in this case. We could debate bridge guy's age and clothing all day because we do not know what the truth is.

I understand that from a LE perspective it has to be difficult to know which tips to investigate. When you have over 50,000 tips, which ones are worth following up on? I sent in the same tip a few times and no one followed up with me.

Is the case not solved because LE simply has not found the man they are looking for or received the email or phone tip that leads to his arrest? Somebody knows something in the Delphi area about the killer who is hiding in plain sight and this person just has not contacted police yet.

Or is the case not solved because LE is looking in all the wrong places and does not know who murdered Abigail Williams and Liberty German? They are waiting for a tip that is not going to come because everyone is looking for a young man who is local to the Delphi, Indiana area. The sketches, especially the second one, have become the face of the investigation. Unfortunately because of the blurriness of Liberty German's phone video, people are going to focus on looking for the person depicted in the second sketch. That second sketch is now the image people think about when it comes to the case of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

When I think about this case I keep asking myself the following question: What if Liberty German had not videotaped the man on the bridge? If you asked me whether that would change my perspective about this case, the answer would be absolutely. I would think that what LE put out in terms of sketches is the best lead that should be followed. When all you have is a sketch made from someone's best recollection of memory, then that is what you should follow.
 
Kelsi said she doesn't mind if people keep talking about this, but she just wants everyone to be responsible and not spread rumors such as that JBC is going to be arrested soon, there will be a press conference later today, LE has named him a suspect in the case.

Fortunately for us, @Tricia and the moderators keep us honest. <3

ETA: Kelsi's name
 
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Me too. When you think about how a murder or tragedy in the family can affect much older adults that she is, she is super impressive. I feel the same about Sarah Turney. Apparently she happened to be in Indiana last week and immediately reached out to Kelsi to see how she could help.

Dear @Doghairrules,

Thank you so much for this! Greatly appreciated!
 
I'm currently watching Kelsi German's live on TikTok. She started out by saying that yes, LE is looking at JBC the same way they would look at any tip that was called in, but the little she has heard from them about it is NOT encouraging.

She also said the last 10 days have been the hardest she and her family have had in a while. Everywhere she turns, people are asking her about it or there are pictures of BG or JBC or the girls. That makes me so sad for them.

She does not believe the media that has sensationalized this and implied that JBC is a suspect has been helpful.

Well that is disappointing to hear that LE is not encouraging in their reports back to her. Yet it sounds like they are still looking into him. But if they truly have determined the killer is not JBC, then why don’t they just say it. A bit confused...still.
 
try this... take a look at JBC in a full body shot..then imagine him in the clothes of the man on the bridge.now imagine him walking across the bridge...does it work for you? mOO
No, and as I have said before along with others, I do not think JBC is BG. I have a feeling I won't have to 'eat my words' about that opinion either.o_O
 
try this... take a look at JBC in a full body shot..then imagine him in the clothes of the man on the bridge.now imagine him walking across the bridge...does it work for you? mOO

I most sincerely hope I’m wrong. But I just can’t wrap my head around JBC being BG from the video. They are just not the same person, to me. I hope so much that JBC was the killer just so they get justice that I have even pondered the idea that BG isn’t the killer and just happened to be caught on camera. I know I’m reaching but then it seems more likely that JBC could be responsible. I think he resembles the sketches enough that I’d buy him as a suspect without the video.
 
O/T but not so o/t, because we brainstormed re BG perhaps wearing a mask, while on the bridge ......

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I just found on Fb. this pic above with the news, this man broke into homes and had the pictured mask plus wig on him. When police wondered about the perp's always opened mouth on different surveillance pics, they finally had the idea, the perp might wear a mask ..... (read only 1, 2 sentences -techn. problems- and don't know more to it).


And......
He would have gotten away with it,if it wasn't for those damn Kids!!!!LOL
 
Well that is disappointing to hear that LE is not encouraging in their reports back to her. Yet it sounds like they are still looking into him. But if they truly have determined the killer is not JBC, then why don’t they just say it. A bit confused...still.

Because they are still investigating it and that takes time unless it was super simple to exclude him
 
Well that is disappointing to hear that LE is not encouraging in their reports back to her. Yet it sounds like they are still looking into him. But if they truly have determined the killer is not JBC, then why don’t they just say it. A bit confused...still.
Maybe, they want to watch, how the real BG -if they know him- will react on a "possible perp"? Maybe, one day he will relax and will become unwary or his accomplice will, if there is one.
 
Sketches are sketches. They’re not photos. They are subjective. They are flawed. They are based on human input and human recollection about what are often very brief encounters, separated by time. Input can come from many sources. It can come from more than one human source. It can even come from other sketches or video stills.
In the case of the old BG sketch, LE acknowledge that the composite was “compiled”, and included input taken straight from the video stills. I understand why they did this, but I don’t think they should have done it (IMO). It compromised the BG sketch.

They also said: “pay no attention to the hat”and then gave ridiculous age parameters and made confusing statements about both sketches: First they made old BG appear old and goateed, then they said NBG looked “younger than he may appear”.. huh? If that was the case though, why not just make the NBG sketch appear older? What a disaster.

To me it’s ridiculous to think you can include or exclude any suspect (incl JBC II) based on minute sketch details such as: his chin is too pointy, his hair is too curly, his cheeks are too baggy, his nose is too bulbous, we can’t see his ears!, he’s not wearing skinny jeans and a modern-fit top with manufactured holes (so he must ancient), wait! is that a tiny bit of facial hair? Is his hair brown or red or Auburn! I wonder he dies it? The video is a blur.
The sketches are just sketches.

BG in the video is an average looking guy of short-average height, avg. weight, and avg. age, wearing average looking clothing and boots. There’s nothing “dad” about him. He’s not wearing “dad jeans” or a “dad jacket” or suspenders. He may very well have on a Navy Zero Restriction Wind Stopper zip-up and a leather waist/fanny/hip holster. I also think he may have a stun gun in his right front windbreaker pocket, but that’s pure speculation.

Other than a few late teen and early twenty guys, every man I know from age 25 -70, if going to a place like Monon High Bridge in Feb would wear casual clothes very similar to those that BG is wearing (every one). Guys aren’t fashion forward. We tend not to give a s—-. We’ve been wearing the same things for the last century (only Nehru jackets in the early 70’s, and Pee Wee Herman suits (from 2010 to present) are outliers (and I hope they go away soon). I was dreesing like BG when I was 20, and I still dress like that today (in my sixties) - minus the stupid cap of course. And so do all the other guys. And I had more of a dad bod in my 30’s than I do know (so all I need are some tats!). And so are all other guys. BG is just dressed for casual outdoors.

Btw, would it be too much to ask that people drop the “dad-bod” “dad jeans” put-downs? How ‘bout if we just start describing (and assuming that) every woman over 35 as having / has a “mom-bod” and wears high waisted frumpy “mom-jeans” and “mom shoe’s”? Hot, huh?

The bottom line is, there is nothing that precludes the person in the old BG sketch and the person in the new BG sketch and the person in the blurry BG video stills on the bridge from being one and the same person. LE has even suggested that when a suspect is apprehended he may in fact look like “something in between the two sketches”. Furthermore, nothing from JBC’s fb photos or msm published photos so far would preclude him (IMO) from being BG either (sketches or video stills). Nothing rules him out.

On the contrary, IMO there is an abundance of evidence that points to JBC II as possibly being Abby and Libby’s killer. In a sense, the two sketches and the BG video may mean they have in fact found the right man. They will need more than sketch and video evidence for a conviction though, that’s for sure.

But I think JBC II might be a serial offender. I even think there’s a chance he was involved in the Lyric Cook & Elizabeth Collins case in Evansdale, IA back in 2012 (if you drew a line from Kokomo to Sioux Falls, Waterloo/Evanston, IA would be right on it). We’ll see.

One last thought: is it possible he has been putting rings on children’s fingers?

All JMO
 
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On the contrary, IMO there is an abundance of evidence that points to JBC II as possibly being Abby and Libby’s killer. In a sense, the two sketches and the BG video may mean they have in fact found the right man. They will need more than sketch and video evidence for a conviction though, that’s for sure.

But I think JBC II might be a serial offender. I even think there’s a chance he was involved in the Lyric Cook & Elizabeth Collins case in Evansdale, IA back in 2012 (if you drew a line from Kokomo to Sioux Falls, Waterloo/Evanston, IA would be right on it). We’ll see
I was more or less feeling this way, but why did LE give Kelsi such discouraging feedback? She might have said, well, they’re telling us that we need to be patient, of course, while they do a very thorough investigation, etc. but instead it seems they basically gave her very unencouraging feedback? :(
 
I think, the IP employees don't walk out of the building with their hairnet or their rubber boots. The hairnet has to be disposed of and the rubber boots have to be disinfected and remaining in the locker room, IMO. Would be too good a sign of identification, IF someone would have worn this: a hairnet and rubber boots. Idiotic to do it.

rubber boots? , not sure where that came from, I have never mentioned the type of boots I thought BG wore that day. Maybe you have me confused with Alexis McAdams.

Alexis McAdams ABC-7 on Twitter: "EVIDENCE: Police still sweeping #Delphi for evidence in murders. Police brought these boots in to analyze-NOT key evidence at this point https://t.co/HrLiZwMftH" / Twitter
 
for all its worth.. for me the only suspect that really resemble any sketch was DN = FIRST SKETCH
cause when you say this person looks like a sketch.. its completely subjective..you might see what I dont see..
Right, it is indeed subjective. To me, DN was not a resemblance. I thought CAE was more so. Just wish one would be a real hit.
 
Btw, would it be too much to ask that people drop the “dad-bod” “dad jeans” put-downs? How ‘bout if we just start describing (and assuming that) every woman over 35 as having / has a “mom-bod” and wears high waisted frumpy “mom-jeans” and “mom shoe’s”? Hot, huh?

The bottom line is, there is nothing that precludes the person in the old BG sketch and the person in the new BG sketch and the person in the blurry BG video stills on the bridge from being one and the same person. LE has even suggested that when a suspect is apprehended he may in fact look like “something in between the two sketches”. Furthermore, nothing from JBC’s fb photos or msm published photos so far would preclude him (IMO) from being BG either (sketches or video stills). Nothing rules him out.

On the contrary, IMO there is an abundance of evidence that points to JBC II as possibly being Abby and Libby’s killer. In a sense, the two sketches and the BG video may mean they have in fact found the right man. They will need more than sketch and video evidence for a conviction though, that’s for sure.

But I think JBC II might be a serial offender. I even think there’s a chance he was involved in the Lyric Cook & Elizabeth Collins case in Evansdale, IA back in 2012 (if you drew a line from Kokomo to Sioux Falls, Waterloo/Evanston, IA would be right on it). We’ll see.

One last thought: is it possible he has been putting rings on children’s fingers?

All JMO

Thank you! I agree with everything you said. As a 58 year old woman who has never worn frumpy clothes or "mom-jeans", it's insulting to have to read the insinuations of people assuming that anyone dressed like BG in the photo is an old man and no one under a certain age would ever dress like that.
 
Kelsi said she doesn't mind if people keep talking about this, but she just wants everyone to be responsible and not spread rumors such as that JBC is going to be arrested soon, there will be a press conference later today, LE has named him a suspect in the case.

Fortunately for us, @Tricia and the moderators keep us honest. <3

ETA: Kelsi's name


WOOHOO. this is great news!
 
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