Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[mrjitty]

The long line of Met scandals in recent years doesn't fill me with great confidence in this case

 

[mrjitty]

Again, one of the big problems in trying to figure out if CB is guilty or not of MM case/crime is not only the lack of credible information and HCW secret evidences but as well the fact that the journalists will want to "sell" the mediatic version that tells us that CB is guilty so all articles will be written with that in mind - that they want for many reasons for CB to be guilty so the articles will reflect that will and will not be very accurate.

RSBM

My philosophical problem with the reporting is you have someone like Sandra F claiming (now) that she was taken in by PJ when they said they had the goods, but then she does the same thing all over again when HCW says he has the goods based on secret evidence.

I am in favour of CBs crimes being publicised, because other witnesses and claimants may come forward.

But I think reported content should be based on official police briefings and not salacious interviews with people who knew him looking for 15 mins of fame. Especially when some of those people could be witnesses!

 

[SuperdadV8]

Maybe the prosecutors just aim for a preventive detention on CB after being charged and possibly being sentenced in the MM case.

CB first sentence for child abuse was around 1994 and was just a juvenile sentence, that must have been erased from the official records for years.

It remains a 15 month sentence for child abuse und a 7 year sentence for the rape on DM. Let's leave out the small stuff like diesel theft or drug trafficking that isn't relevant to section 66 of the german criminal code.

Maybe if they could charge him for the murder already, the chances to achieve a preventive detention seeem to be much lower as if, for example, they could also charge other relevant offenses against the physical integrity?

So it might be a strategy not to charge him right now because they need more info related to other relevant crimes?!

 

[tedtink]

Again, one of the big problems in trying to figure out if CB is guilty or not of MM case/crime is not only the lack of credible information and HCW secret evidences but as well the fact that the journalists will want to "sell" the mediatic version that tells us that CB is guilty so all articles will be written with that in mind - that they want for many reasons for CB to be guilty so the articles will reflect that will and will not be very accurate.

Example - articles that tells us that CB did sell the Jaguar written in a way that looks like he did so on the next day MM went missing, and so on, and so on ...

We are "judging" the case with false information that journalists provided to us, journalists that want for CB to be the one who killed MM.

If we read that CB did a huge amount of strange things on the day MM went missing all of those things will make of him suspect. If in fact those things were done over time like selling stuff, etc those actions will not be important to MM case at all. So it's up to the way the articles are write and the way we take that info.

I did had the same problem very recently with another case, some allegations made on media were very "vague" and superficial in a way that people could take the information in one way but only very recently after checking facts on process files I could see how "silly" what was written on media by journalists were. Info was mis-leading on purpose to make people think in one direction. They do this all the time.

So is really very hard to judge or to make assumptions about CB (at least for me on the MM case) because 1)HCW might lie, 2)Journalists might lie or write stuff that are not accurate, etc....

IF all that was written was true and accurate there would be a strong possibility that CB did indeed killed MM, but when we check facts and we start to see that after all the jaguar might have been sold way later or for example that SIM card stollen from the OC that JC talks on the book might very well not exist at all because the info was gatheered from another journalist that doesn't remember for sure, etc ...

And the more lies are written the more the accusations against CB look more "forged" or fabricated in a way for people to believe that he is guilty....

So i really don't know anymore what to think about CB/MM. Nothing on this case investigation is "normal" as well but for other hand I don't think that BKA/HCW would want to get the price of the worst investigation ever when they can't show evidence/charge CB so maybe they do have some hidden cards or are hidding stuff.

And I do have a bad feeling about this... Let's see what will happen at the end.

In a nutshell - you're explaining 'confirmation bias'. But I think most of us are pretty savvy here and are ultimately awaiting actual evidence.
Do I believe CB took and killed MM? As yet with so little to go on, NO I don't.
But that doesn't mean to say I think he could have.

JMO

 

[Sharkbite]

I thought that CMK the German arrested in Paraguay over child *advertiser censored* distribution had already been extradited to Germany. This article from yesterday states that he is only now about to be extradited. Again its reported that there may be a connection with the MM case.

"Likewise, several hypotheses arise, for example, that Kruse could be linked to the case of Madeleine McCann, who disappeared in Portugal when she was on vacation with her parents."

La Nación / Christian Kruse, investigado por pornografía infantil, será extraditado a Alemania

 

[Lilly b]

I thought that CMK the German arrested in Paraguay over child *advertiser censored* distribution had already been extradited to Germany. This article from yesterday states that he is only now about to be extradited. Again its reported that there may be a connection with the MM case.

"Likewise, several hypotheses arise, for example, that Kruse could be linked to the case of Madeleine McCann, who disappeared in Portugal when she was on vacation with her parents."

La Nación / Christian Kruse, investigado por pornografía infantil, será extraditado a Alemania

I could only ever find this from june, but couldn't get it to translate
Alemán detenido por pornografía infantil aceptó ser extraditado

 

[Sharkbite]

I could only ever find this from june, but couldn't get it to translate
Alemán detenido por pornografía infantil aceptó ser extraditado

Apparently back in June CMK just agreed to the extradition
"The 58-year-old German citizen Christian Manfred Kruse finally accepted this Thursday the abbreviated extradition to be sent to his country to submit to justice, considering that he has been wanted there since 2017 for child *advertiser censored*."
Click and it should show a translated version
Alemán detenido por pornografía infantil aceptó ser extraditado

 

[tedtink]

Apparently back in June CMK just agreed to the extradition
"The 58-year-old German citizen Christian Manfred Kruse finally accepted this Thursday the abbreviated extradition to be sent to his country to submit to justice, considering that he has been wanted there since 2017 for child *advertiser censored*."
Click and it should show a translated version
Alemán detenido por pornografía infantil aceptó ser extraditado

bit more here...........

The German citizen Christian Manfred Kruse will be extradited to his country where he faces crimes of publication of documents with child *advertiser censored* in an organized gang in more than 28 cases. This was confirmed by the prosecutor Irma Llano. Kruse is currently deprived of his liberty and the extradition of the foreigner is expected to take place next week.

La Nación / Christian Kruse, investigado por pornografía infantil, será extraditado a Alemania

 

[tedtink]

Just out of interest, I presume that the 'Boystown' name refers to men (boys) who would have used this DW site and NOT a reference to the sex/gender of the children on the website itself?

The reports I've read so far mention children and toddlers, not specifically boys.

 

[Lilly b]

Apparently back in June CMK just agreed to the extradition
"The 58-year-old German citizen Christian Manfred Kruse finally accepted this Thursday the abbreviated extradition to be sent to his country to submit to justice, considering that he has been wanted there since 2017 for child *advertiser censored*."
Click and it should show a translated version
Alemán detenido por pornografía infantil aceptó ser extraditado

Thank you.
So I wonder what the crimes are that he did in Germany to make him a wanted man?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Thank you.
So I wonder what the crimes are that he did in Germany to make him a wanted man?

Child abuse!

 

[Lilly b]

Just out of interest, I presume that the 'Boystown' name refers to men (boys) who would have used this DW site and NOT a reference to the sex/gender of the children on the website itself?

The reports I've read so far mention children and toddlers, not specifically boys.

Wiki says mainly boys

 

[Lilly b]

Child abuse!

I know, but more details, I meant, but thank you

 

[Anxala]

Just out of interest, I presume that the 'Boystown' name refers to men (boys) who would have used this DW site and NOT a reference to the sex/gender of the children on the website itself?

The reports I've read so far mention children and toddlers, not specifically boys.

Yes, Boystown (sickeningly) refers to the remit of the site - a place for 'boys' to play - not the gender of the abused. A link here -

Child sexual abuse site on the Dark Web with 400K users taken down in Europe - teiss

Named Boystown, the dark web platform focused on the sexual abuse of children and enjoyed as many as 400,000 registered users before it was taken down.

 

[Anxala]

Gonçalo Amaral's new book is due out this month. It'll be interesting to see what he has to say about the BKA investigation and/or other revelations that might throw new light on things.

 

[tedtink]

that might throw new light on things.

Or shade?

 

[Anxala]

Or shade?

That too! But it will at least, in the absence of anything useful/informative coming from HCW, give us something new to get our teeth into.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

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"Likewise, several hypotheses arise, for example, that Kruse could be linked to the case of Madeleine McCann, who disappeared in Portugal when she was on vacation with her parents."

Not likely at all that Kruse is linked to CB and to MM. More likely that Paraguay police do want to make the bust to look "bigger" or of more importance if it's linked to MM so they make public announcment of the bust as that. It also serves the interests of BKA/HCW as it will be further crime/s for CB to be "blamed" of. Let's see if and how FF do react to this. Maybe he will let us know by the press ?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Just out of interest, I presume that the 'Boystown' name refers to men (boys) who would have used this DW site and NOT a reference to the sex/gender of the children on the website itself?

The reports I've read so far mention children and toddlers, not specifically boys.

Even if it were to be mainly boys there are no guarantees that CB wouldn't want boys content as well so the possibility for the CB to be a member is quite real ....

If CB was a guy that was indeed on the darkweb searching for child abuse content he could be very well a member of that forum posting stuff there.

Now from that to CB having MM content or to be posting MM content that would be another step.... Meaning if content found on CB abandoned factory did include even animal based *advertiser censored* it's plausible to think that he could have boys content as well. That wouldn't necessasrly mean that he did have/traded/shared MM content or that even if he did talk to Kruse on the site(s) that doesn't necessarly mean that Kruse was aware of CB/MM link, etc.

In other words Kruse and CB could very well be sharing the same platform and commiting crimes of the nature of child abuse sharing/publishing but it's very unlikely for Kruse to be "linked" to MM abduction and for MM "content" to be circulating of sites that were busted already. Reason is the content would needed to be added to interpol database ... and by now we would be aware that MM content did appear on pedophile darkwer networks....

So it's just media/newspapers/journalists gossip likely promoted by Paraguay police and even BKA/HCW to get publicity over the bust and get a "higer level" of awareness to CB and Kruse. My oppinion only.

BIG WARNING :

What i'm expressing here on the last 2 posts is what I think based on observation of news and latest devellopments of the case. I MIGHT BE TOTALY WRONG. I do think that they don't have MM content BUT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY that somehow HCW did found something and hide it from interpol, etc ... This is not 100% written on stone so if i'm wrong about what i'm stating here i'm sorry. This is NOT like other matters that I do have 100% sure to be "lies". Regarding this particular issue (CB/Kruse/MM link) I THINK the "link" doesn't exist but it's just "i think".

To add to all of that i will take the "drawings" of CB mocking HCW as a "clue" as well. Because CB can "mock" the psychics CB is aware of the news that are about his link to MM so he would be aware of the news of Kruse "bust". If CB were to have shared MM content on darkweb or have a link to Kruse or boystown he would be terrifyed by now and would be aware that the content was discovered so it's VERY UNLIKELY that he would be mocking BKA/HCW with drwaings, etc knowing that HCW did "bust" the sites that he was a member and got his MM content ...

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Gonçalo Amaral's new book is due out this month. It'll be interesting to see what he has to say about the BKA investigation and/or other revelations that might throw new light on things.

Most likely nothing new because :

1) he wouldn't have access to BKA/HCW "secret evidences".

2)he would most likely keep his old theory and that would not make CB the one who killed MM so he will not reveal any new data that can be used to link CB to the crime ...

So most likely buying the book would be the same as buying JC book, BIG WASTE OF MONEY.