Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[vermisstekindersuche]

When I posted now and in the past that i'm confident that CB is not related to the BoysTown bust is of course in the sense of a MM link. I might have not write it properly. I'm clarifying now.

I think/i'm confident that Boystown/CB/MM link doesn't exist.

It's yet POSSIBLE and LIKELY that CB was a member of BoysTown and if they can prove that CB can be charged with extra charges of possession/distribuition of child . Meaning i'm not saying that CB didn't had accounts/access to darkweb forums, what i'm saying is that i don't think that to be related to MM.

Also darkweb pedo sites by norm don't last more than 2/3 years so when BoysTown was created CB should already be in jail (?) but yet that Kruse guy could have been running other sites, so the question of boystown to be a boys only site wouldn't matter because the guy most likely had sites with girls and CB could like boys, etc .... my point is made to the relation of MM in all of this. Meaning again I don't think that MM would be circulating on the darkweb and I don't think boystown guy would agree/aprove/be linked to kidnapping/killing of girls. As far as we know the guy abused/shared child abuse but it's not charged for murder/kidnapping, but again it's what i think and i might be totaly wrong.

I can't see CB to be so "relaxed" over this matter.

Meaning majority of people in the place of CB, knowing that darkweb sites were busted with content of MM on it (assumin it was the case) and assuming CB killed MM, the guy would either claim the crime and admit to be the one who killed, or most likely would pretend to be crazy or a victim and say that he does have problem with girls because he was abused as well, etc and make people have pitty of him, or in last case would just be silent.

Very hard to believe that he would be provocative and post those drawings provocking BKA/HCW if CB were to know that he was "busted" and that sooner or later evidences against him would surface. The confidence of CB to me makes me believe that he is either innocent or he does know for fact that HCW doesn't have enough to get to him and if there were to be really a link to boystown or other pedo sites like logs or content of MM that CB did share he would know very well by now that the content was found/busted and would not be acting the way he is .... OR SO I THINK.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

All those "links" look so "forced" like from one moment to the other stuff that did already exist were all to be linked to CB and all stuff would be on the spotlight like if al world would turn around MM.

One thing that does really make my wonder is the RH case and what BKA have done with it.

1) Why does Initiative Vermisste Kinder (suposed to be a way of German gov/authorities to track/consolidate the missing people on Germany) lists MM case at all if the crime was done in Portugal against a UK girl ? Why does Initiative Vermisste Kinder only list 2 cases outside germany ?

2) If Initiative Vermisste Kinder lists MM case and if they were not after prestige/publicity by having Germany solve the most "famouse" missing child case were the case added when CB was already a suspect ?

3) Why they added Rene Hasse there as well ? Outside of Germany only Rene and MM are mentioned.

4) Why Rene case is 100005 and MM 100007 ? This would mean that if legit they added 007 later because they were investigating CB over MM but they did add RH as well on the same time.

5) RH disapeared from far north from where MM did went missing and there is a big time lag as well. Is there any reason at all to think that CB could had been there on the time RH did went missing ?

6) Why to call RH father ? It was the mother that was with him when he went missing so if they were searching for info it would be the mother that they would need to call. Also the norm would be the PJ to contact them and not the other way. If they wanted to investigate they would do in silence. Looks like just another way to get attention/prestige/publicity over the fact that CB might be guilty.

7) CB would be way youinger when RH went missing. Would it be "likely" for him to do the crime while most likely it's not a crime at all and if it was there would be better candidates to investigate like MN ? Why no public inquire for MN or ask where MN was, etc but target CB instead ?

8) Any follow us on this ? All that we know is that they contacted RH father and after 20 years of "nothing" provided hope that CB could had killed/abducted/be linked to RH... Goes without saying "hope" in a way to crack the case because there would be no reason for someone that would be already be conformed with natural drowning to now have to think about pedophile abduction but i can't talk for the family ... At any rate sound odd and something that a police force shouldn't do without any reason....

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To me honestly it just looks like they are trying to tie CB to all crimes that they can.

Maybe they hope that CB will die in jail or something like that and that they don't have to charge because he is dead and so people will think BKA solved the case ? Is it just about fame/prestige of cracking the case or is something hidding ?

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Maybe i'm just silly and blind and missing something obviouse.

Unfortunatly I don't have any link to RH family/case but I would love to check out if there was any follow up or communications from HCW/BKA with them, and if so what was discussed on the phone call, because this one for me is just making me think allot.

Why would they bother the father of the boy 20 years later when the crime doesn't apear at first glance at all to have any relation to MM ....

 

[Lilly b]

Even if it were to be mainly boys there are no guarantees that CB wouldn't want boys content as well so the possibility for the CB to be a member is quite real ....

If CB was a guy that was indeed on the darkweb searching for child abuse content he could be very well a member of that forum posting stuff there.

Now from that to CB having MM content or to be posting MM content that would be another step.... Meaning if content found on CB abandoned factory did include even animal based it's plausible to think that he could have boys content as well. That wouldn't necessasrly mean that he did have/traded/shared MM content or that even if he did talk to Kruse on the site(s) that doesn't necessarly mean that Kruse was aware of CB/MM link, etc.

In other words Kruse and CB could very well be sharing the same platform and commiting crimes of the nature of child abuse sharing/publishing but it's very unlikely for Kruse to be "linked" to MM abduction and for MM "content" to be circulating of sites that were busted already. Reason is the content would needed to be added to interpol database ... and by now we would be aware that MM content did appear on pedophile darkwer networks....

So it's just media/newspapers/journalists gossip likely promoted by Paraguay police and even BKA/HCW to get publicity over the bust and get a "higer level" of awareness to CB and Kruse. My oppinion only.

BIG WARNING :

What i'm expressing here on the last 2 posts is what I think based on observation of news and latest devellopments of the case. I MIGHT BE TOTALY WRONG. I do think that they don't have MM content BUT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY that somehow HCW did found something and hide it from interpol, etc ... This is not 100% written on stone so if i'm wrong about what i'm stating here i'm sorry. This is NOT like other matters that I do have 100% sure to be "lies". Regarding this particular issue (CB/Kruse/MM link) I THINK the "link" doesn't exist but it's just "i think".

To add to all of that i will take the "drawings" of CB mocking HCW as a "clue" as well. Because CB can "mock" the psychics CB is aware of the news that are about his link to MM so he would be aware of the news of Kruse "bust". If CB were to have shared MM content on darkweb or have a link to Kruse or boystown he would be terrifyed by now and would be aware that the content was discovered so it's VERY UNLIKELY that he would be mocking BKA/HCW with drwaings, etc knowing that HCW did "bust" the sites that he was a member and got his MM content ...

You'd think in the drawings, he would try to prove his innocence, but he doesn't, he seems to be mocking, like 'catch me if you can'. CB will think he's got rid of any forensic evidence, however, he can't stop witnesses talking, but he never managed to get rid of the USB sticks, he thought he'd managed to hid them, but not well enough, so other stuff could of been found, or is still out there

 

[Betty_Boop88]

You'd think in the drawings, he would try to prove his innocence, but he doesn't, he seems to be mocking, like 'catch me if you can'. CB will think he's got rid of any forensic evidence, however, he can't stop witnesses talking, but he never managed to get rid of the USB sticks, he thought he'd managed to hid them, but not well enough, so other stuff could of been found, or is still out there

He hid them, but what gets me is there has been no mention of the files or devices having been encrypted. Caught and convicted of having indecent images of his ex gf’s daughter on a camera that was found in his flat… He leaves like that just lying around for anyone to find? The ex gf he beat up, she was apparently able to find and access his CP stash and ended up with bruises to prove it. Not even a whisper in the media about rudimentary password protection. It’s been mentioned before in other CP busts.

It might seem a silly thing to get caught up on. But if it’s a case of ignorance and him not knowing how to encrypt, that doesn’t scream habitual DW user to me. Surely one of his buddies would have mentioned it to him? Or was he so arrogant he didn’t think he needed to protect the files, even after the gf found stuff? What did he think would happen if/when she went to police? He couldn’t bank on having beat her into eternal silence. He didn’t even try to hide the camera.
If it was arrogance, what gave him that confidence? He’d had multiple run-ins with LE at this stage, you’d think he’d be wary of them. It’s CP for Christ’s sake, surely privacy and encryption should be module 101?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

You'd think in the drawings, he would try to prove his innocence, but he doesn't, he seems to be mocking, like 'catch me if you can'. CB will think he's got rid of any forensic evidence, however, he can't stop witnesses talking, but he never managed to get rid of the USB sticks, he thought he'd managed to hid them, but not well enough, so other stuff could of been found, or is still out there

If he wanted to get rid of the USB instead of hidding them he would erase them (0-fill) and problem soved. Or would use something like truecrypt/veracrypt full disk encryption and problem solved. After all he does know how to use TOR, right ?

If there were something there that would be MM related do you think he would "mock" the police knowing that most likely that police did already had his content ?

He couldn't care less for the other CP as he did serve time/was charged for that already so it's past. Problem would only be if there were MM content there and by the actions of CB and all the rest that did state along time it's obviouse that there wasn't...

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

He hid them, but what gets me is there has been no mention of the files or devices having been encrypted. Caught and convicted of having indecent images of his ex gf’s daughter on a camera that was found in his flat… He leaves like that just lying around for anyone to find? The ex gf he beat up, she was apparently able to find and access his CP stash and ended up with bruises to prove it. Not even a whisper in the media about rudimentary password protection. It’s been mentioned before in other CP busts.

It might seem a silly thing to get caught up on. But if it’s a case of ignorance and him not knowing how to encrypt, that doesn’t scream habitual DW user to me. Surely one of his buddies would have mentioned it to him? Or was he so arrogant he didn’t think he needed to protect the files, even after the gf found stuff? What did he think would happen if/when she went to police? He couldn’t bank on having beat her into eternal silence. He didn’t even try to hide the camera.
If it was arrogance, what gave him that confidence? He’d had multiple run-ins with LE at this stage, you’d think he’d be wary of them. It’s CP for Christ’s sake, surely privacy and encryption should be module 101?

Exactly. He left all the content on several places and without encryption so if there were MM content wouldn't that be found by now amont the other stuff ? He keeps all the Child Abuse Content for example on the USBs mixed up with his own photos (of him naked, etc) so wouldn't he store the MM content there as well ? Would it make any sense for example for him to have all the CP stuff + personal stuff in one place and only MM photos/content on another very well hidden and forgotten ? No way. If he wasn't carefull enought for the rest of the stuff one can assume that he would keep the MM content near him (to access it when needed) same way he keep for example content of the little girl he did abuse.

 

[tedtink]

Exactly. He left all the content on several places and without encryption so if there were MM content wouldn't that be found by now amont the other stuff ? He keeps all the Child Abuse Content for example on the USBs mixed up with his own photos (of him naked, etc) so wouldn't he store the MM content there as well ? Would it make any sense for example for him to have all the CP stuff + personal stuff in one place and only MM photos/content on another very well hidden and forgotten ? No way. If he wasn't carefull enought for the rest of the stuff one can assume that he would keep the MM content near him (to access it when needed) same way he keep for example content of the little girl he did abuse.

Maybe it wasn't within his remit to film, produce, own or distribute MM content, IF there is any.

 

[tedtink]

If there were something there that would be MM related do you think he would "mock" the police knowing that most likely that police did already had his content ?

Possibly, because he was mocking the fact that HCW has no 'forensic' evidence.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Possibly, because he was mocking the fact that HCW has no 'forensic' evidence.

But he would know that HCW "secret evidences" would be the MM content if he were to know at the same time of the existence of such content ! Meaning if he had MM content somewhere it would be easy to assume that HCW "secret evidence" would be that so no point in "mocking" knowing that in fact they did got the evidences.

 

[tedtink]

But he would know that HCW "secret evidences" would be the MM content if he were to know at the same time of the existence of such content ! Meaning if he had MM content somewhere it would be easy to assume that HCW "secret evidence" would be that so no point in "mocking" knowing that in fact they did got the evidences.

Given the amount of time this has been dragging along and supposing CB is pretty bored in prison - ALL he's doing is mocking HCW's comment to the press that he has no forensic evidence that MM is dead.

A feeble attempt so HCW shows his hand IMO.

ETA - IF there is content of MM, it may not have been retrieved from CB himself. BKA may have got it from somewhere else, maybe 'within the last two years'?

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Exactly. He left all the content on several places and without encryption so if there were MM content wouldn't that be found by now amont the other stuff ? He keeps all the Child Abuse Content for example on the USBs mixed up with his own photos (of him naked, etc) so wouldn't he store the MM content there as well ? Would it make any sense for example for him to have all the CP stuff + personal stuff in one place and only MM photos/content on another very well hidden and forgotten ? No way. If he wasn't carefull enought for the rest of the stuff one can assume that he would keep the MM content near him (to access it when needed) same way he keep for example content of the little girl he did abuse.

Tor automatically encrypts shared data, so there could have been a false sense of security element to the DW side of things. Impossible for anyone to intercept file sharing. Or as Ted says, it may not have been within his remit to share specific files. Small fish in a big pond.

He conversed with Panikspatz via Skype, where there is no real end-to-end encryption as Microsoft patches all data through monitored supernodes. We know he asked Panikspatz if he had any new content, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they shared files on there. Even Whatsapp would be a safer option. But he’d still need to protect his own storage devices incase they end up in the ‘wrong’ hands - as his camera ended up in the hands of LE. Would other more “in the know” paedos really share CP with him away from DW without first being assured of their safety? Maybe they really were amateurs and shared stuff on Skype and that was his downfall?

To address your other point, I believe that if he did have files of MM and is responsible for her death, then he absolutely would keep them separate. Biggest missing person case that Europe has ever experienced? She would have been ‘special’ to him, even more so if she was the only person he ever murdered.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

TOR simply "route" your traffic by using volunteer "nodes" so that your IP is not know. Only "recently" TOR added the capability of having hidden servers inside the TOR network. Nothing of that is inacessible. You use for example TOR to check this forum and you will see the content normaly, but for example WS admins will not see your real IP, they will only see the IP of your exit node. Same on hidden services. If CB or any other pedo goes to a pedo forum on DarkWeb and post there any LEA on the same forum will see the post. So if CB were to "share" something even on for example a TOR based chat that thing would be "intercepted" by all on the same chat/forum including LEA... The thing is they wouldn't get his IP unless for example they could run java exploits/scripts to make CB computer to connect to LEA servers or send it's own real IP (if not protected by NAT router) somewhere, etc...

He would need to store what he did get from the net and he would need to store what he would upload to the darkweb so the "problem" would be the lack of encryption of the storage media that allow for LEA to "reach" and see his 8000 (or 20000) child abuse files.

Regarding the conversation with Panikspatz LEA doesn't need to intercept the communication on the fly, most likely they simply get hold of CB computer(s) and check the LOGs. All those apps will keep a log of conversation even on server side. Most likely they only needed to open CB app and check what he did tell to others there assuming it was aquired by computer apreension.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

And on the Portuguese news today :

Gonçalo Amaral publica novo livro sobre Maddie McCann: "Basta de Mentiras!"

Gonçalo Amaral publica novo livro sobre Maddie McCann: "Basta de Mentiras!"

It's about GA book. It says that GA book will be available at 14/10 and it's called something like "Enough of the lies" and will tell that the case is on the exact same spot it was on 2007 and he will explain on the book why 14 years had passed and we still don't know the truth about what happen that night.

So ... guess the book will just be more of what he did write back on the past and will not be CB related (as obviouse he doesn't believe CB is the one who killed MM).

Just leaving the links because in Portugal they are talking on the news about this today, NOT that i'm saying to buy the book at all. Again it's like i told on JC book, if you care for missing children go spend the money in something better and don't waste money with people just wanting to make $$$$ out of the misery of others.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

I was thinking more private peer-to-peer file sharing. I’ve been accused before, but I actually have zero idea of the workings of DW. In my head I was thinking of PMs or some crap, but if it’s all more like a “forum” or something then yeah, all it takes is a UC cop in their midst.

 

[Lilly b]

Even if it were to be mainly boys there are no guarantees that CB wouldn't want boys content as well so the possibility for the CB to be a member is quite real ....

If CB was a guy that was indeed on the darkweb searching for child abuse content he could be very well a member of that forum posting stuff there.

Now from that to CB having MM content or to be posting MM content that would be another step.... Meaning if content found on CB abandoned factory did include even animal based it's plausible to think that he could have boys content as well. That wouldn't necessasrly mean that he did have/traded/shared MM content or that even if he did talk to Kruse on the site(s) that doesn't necessarly mean that Kruse was aware of CB/MM link, etc.

In other words Kruse and CB could very well be sharing the same platform and commiting crimes of the nature of child abuse sharing/publishing but it's very unlikely for Kruse to be "linked" to MM abduction and for MM "content" to be circulating of sites that were busted already. Reason is the content would needed to be added to interpol database ... and by now we would be aware that MM content did appear on pedophile darkwer networks....

So it's just media/newspapers/journalists gossip likely promoted by Paraguay police and even BKA/HCW to get publicity over the bust and get a "higer level" of awareness to CB and Kruse. My oppinion only.

BIG WARNING :

What i'm expressing here on the last 2 posts is what I think based on observation of news and latest devellopments of the case. I MIGHT BE TOTALY WRONG. I do think that they don't have MM content BUT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY that somehow HCW did found something and hide it from interpol, etc ... This is not 100% written on stone so if i'm wrong about what i'm stating here i'm sorry. This is NOT like other matters that I do have 100% sure to be "lies". Regarding this particular issue (CB/Kruse/MM link) I THINK the "link" doesn't exist but it's just "i think".

To add to all of that i will take the "drawings" of CB mocking HCW as a "clue" as well. Because CB can "mock" the psychics CB is aware of the news that are about his link to MM so he would be aware of the news of Kruse "bust". If CB were to have shared MM content on darkweb or have a link to Kruse or boystown he would be terrifyed by now and would be aware that the content was discovered so it's VERY UNLIKELY that he would be mocking BKA/HCW with drwaings, etc knowing that HCW did "bust" the sites that he was a member and got his MM content ...

You'd think in the drawings, he would try to prove his innocence, but he doesn't, he seems to be mocking, like 'catch me if you can'. CB will think he's got rid of any forensic evidence, however, he can't stop witnesses talking, but he never managed to get rid of the USB sticks, he thought he'd managed to hid them, but not well enough, so other stuff could of been found, or is still out there

He hid them, but what gets me is there has been no mention of the files or devices having been encrypted. Caught and convicted of having indecent images of his ex gf’s daughter on a camera that was found in his flat… He leaves like that just lying around for anyone to find? The ex gf he beat up, she was apparently able to find and access his CP stash and ended up with bruises to prove it. Not even a whisper in the media about rudimentary password protection. It’s been mentioned before in other CP busts.

It might seem a silly thing to get caught up on. But if it’s a case of ignorance and him not knowing how to encrypt, that doesn’t scream habitual DW user to me. Surely one of his buddies would have mentioned it to him? Or was he so arrogant he didn’t think he needed to protect the files, even after the gf found stuff? What did he think would happen if/when she went to police? He couldn’t bank on having beat her into eternal silence. He didn’t even try to hide the camera.
If it was arrogance, what gave him that confidence? He’d had multiple run-ins with LE at this stage, you’d think he’d be wary of them. It’s CP for Christ’s sake, surely privacy and encryption should be module 101?

Maybe he floated between the 2, some things like the ex girlfriend, on his own camera, but also used encrypted stuff too??

 

[Lilly b]

But he would know that HCW "secret evidences" would be the MM content if he were to know at the same time of the existence of such content ! Meaning if he had MM content somewhere it would be easy to assume that HCW "secret evidence" would be that so no point in "mocking" knowing that in fact they did got the evidences.

Maybe some things are kept at another location, the the HCW don't know about yet??

 

[tedtink]

And on the Portuguese news today :

Gonçalo Amaral publica novo livro sobre Maddie McCann: "Basta de Mentiras!"

Gonçalo Amaral publica novo livro sobre Maddie McCann: "Basta de Mentiras!"

It's about GA book. It says that GA book will be available at 14/10 and it's called something like "Enough of the lies" and will tell that the case is on the exact same spot it was on 2007 and he will explain on the book why 14 years had passed and we still don't know the truth about what happen that night.

So ... guess the book will just be more of what he did write back on the past and will not be CB related (as obviouse he doesn't believe CB is the one who killed MM).

Just leaving the links because in Portugal they are talking on the news about this today, NOT that i'm saying to buy the book at all. Again it's like i told on JC book, if you care for missing children go spend the money in something better and don't waste money with people just wanting to make $$$$ out of the misery of others.

GA obviously still has contacts in PJ otherwise how would he have known about the new German suspect when he chatted to MS in 2019?

https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1268369057213865985

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Maybe some things are kept at another location, the the HCW don't know about yet??

Or CB thinks BKA don’t know about because the location has never been released to media. If anyone* followed the SE case, we know LE keep many cards up their sleeves. Media can only report on what LE tells them. Our news in the UK was telling us that searches had started in the area where SE was abducted, making us all think this was the starting point… When in reality, LE was sat outside WC’s house ready to arrest him at that exact moment.
BKA know that CB will see whatever the media writes about him. The same way British police knew WC would see on the news that they knew where SE was taken from.

*ETA - I know many of you did and contributed, you are all wonderful human beings. All my respect for being able to do that in real time because I certainly couldn’t. I’m still having nightmares. RIP Sarah <3

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...)Maybe he floated between the 2, some things like the ex girlfriend, on his own camera, but also used encrypted stuff too??

If that were to be the case instead of us having a HCW talking about 20 000 files of child abuse content you would have a BKA/HCW saying "We are attempting to decrypt stuff found on CB allotments, etc."

There are no LEA comments on regard of stuff they couldn't access and also if it were to be encrypted they wouldn't be able to access and they wouldn't be able to recover MM content to start with.

In other words if the "Secret Evidence" were to be MM "data" and if there is still encrypted CB files then that MM secret data couldn't be inside encrypted containers as it wouldn't had been retrieved and wouldn't be a secret evidence. Only when they can decrypt they can get the data and check if it's MM or not.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Maybe some things are kept at another location, the the HCW don't know about yet??

Yet HCW doesn't look like very worried in searching some of the old places where CB lived ...

Maybe the "logic" is CB would "hide" stuff like USB sticks on places he could later retrieve and wouldn't hide it on houses/allotments that he wouldn't had any access to it later in the future.