Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Charles Vallow, 62, Oct 2019 *Arrests* #63

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Niner said:
Yes, I believe it was that motion!

I'll tag @montegrl - do you have the next court date for Chad? Has his trial on 11/18/21 been vacated? TIA!
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Hi @Niner and @pizzaman12, The change of venue hearing was originally scheduled for 2 days and they were going to discuss the prosecution's motion to sequester the jury today if JP was ready for it but at the last status conference on 9/30 they decided to wait on that issue and both parties felt they could do the change of venue hearing in one day so the hearing for today was canceled. The trial date has been vacated too so there are no open hearing dates scheduled at this time. Here's the end of the docket:

  • 10/05/2021 Motion for Change of Venue

    Original Type
    Motion for Change of Venue

    Judicial Officer
    Boyce (District), Steven

    Hearing Time
    9:00 AM

    Result
    Hearing Held

    Parties Present
    State: State of Idaho

    Prosecuting Attorney: Blake, Lindsey Anne

    Prosecuting Attorney: Wood, Robert H.

    Defendant: Daybell, Chad Guy

    Attorney of Record: Prior, John

  • 10/05/2021 Court Minutes

  • 10/05/2021 Order

    Comment
    to Close a Portion of the Hearings and Seal Record and Exhibits

  • 10/05/2021 Order to Continue

  • 11/08/2021 Jury Trial

    Judicial Officer
    Boyce (District), Steven

    Hearing Time
    9:00 AM

    Cancel Reason
    Vacated
 
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This is about an interview with ZP on April 29 this year.

Alex Cox’s widow Zulema Pastenes - interviewed on 4/29/21 by CPD.
https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1445832355780837383

Pastenes said that Alex Cox told her if anything ever happens to him, there was duffel bag of money he left behind for her. Cox made the statement within 2 days before he died on 12/12/19 in Pastenes’ Gilbert home.
https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1445836272744890376

Pastenes: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell called Alex to say the body of Tammy Daybell (Chad’s dead wife) was being exhumed. Exhumation took place on 12/11/19 - day before Cox’s death.
https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1445836710739279872

Pastenes told police she asked Alex if he had anything to do with Tammy’s death. He said no.
https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1445836831145168906
 
Alex Cox's widow interviewed by Chandler Police Department: full video


ZP claims that Alex told her: "I think I'm going to be their (Lori and Chad's) fall guy." and "Either I am a man of God or I'm not."

ZP was the point of contact with Lori and Chad after they fled from police. Messages to the group went through her.
 
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indicolite22 said:
Alex Cox's widow interviewed by Chandler Police Department: full video


ZP claims that Alex told her: "I think I'm going to be their (Lori and Chad's) fall guy." and "Either I am a man of God or I'm not."

ZP was the point of contact with Lori and Chad after they fled from police. Messages to the group went through her.
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I'm only a short way in but... some of her answers are a bit odd (i.e. contents of the duffel bag). *She makes earthquakes but can't remember what was in the bag?!

ETA: Hmmm... after watching just a few minutes more, I think I'm going to find many of her answers odd.
 
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indicolite22 said:
Alex Cox's widow interviewed by Chandler Police Department: full video


ZP claims that Alex told her: "I think I'm going to be their (Lori and Chad's) fall guy." and "Either I am a man of God or I'm not."

ZP was the point of contact with Lori and Chad after they fled from police. Messages to the group went through her.
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Once Zulema starting talking she couldn't stop.
 
Thank you @indicolite22 for posting all of the interview videos. The one thing that stands out to me is that not Lori, Tyler, or Alex can remember what was supposedly being said when all of the yelling was going on with Charles! In my opinion, that’s because Charles wasn’t causing a scene and yelling. It was pre-meditated and they murdered him! MOO
 
fred&edna said:
I'm only a short way in but... some of her answers are a bit odd (i.e. contents of the duffel bag). *She makes earthquakes but can't remember what was in the bag?!

ETA: Hmmm... after watching just a few minutes more, I think I'm going to find many of her answers odd.
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Oh wow!! I'm super interested in Zulema... I started Tylee's, but 2 hours was a little long for me to contemplate today. Maybe tomorrow...
 
pizzaman12 said:
I'm going to tag @MTW2011 because they had some comments during the hearing today right when the server had issues and looks like those posts are gone and I always dig their take.

I don't know if I've ever had a post this long so I apologize.

I've stated numerous times that JP has done a good job thus far for CD and is continuing. However, I can't wrap my head around is this survey and the company that managed the campaign. I get the area of analytics are probably not JP's thing but where in the world did the find this guy and what sold them on him? My digital team would have absolutely lost their mind if I showed them this and this isn't even our field.

First off. Who are the experts? Iron Wood are the experts but basically just followed directions by people who are not qualified to do anything they're asking for. Your job is to try to figure out the client's objective and develop a plan through a consultative approach. I found it interesting that RW didn't touch on amount of questions asked and the phrasing of them (especially since LV case is stayed) but I don't think he had to say much as Bryant was making his job easy and even Judge Boyce really didn't have an option as the expert you called basically said you can't use this data.

Less than 200 completed surveys? If you can't provide a comprehensive...well...anything, you're going to have a hard time selling anything. If that data was solely Fremont County, maybe a different story based on that population but it wasn't. You had plenty of counties & population. The pay per click and conversion ratio for this would lead me to believe they were either paying Iron Wood in Arby's coupons or their digital marketing specialist needs to find a different career path.

Bryant's antiquated verbiage alone would have me running. I get it. They primarily deal with telephone market research but I was waiting for him to bust out an abacus. It's as though he can read numbers but has no idea how they're even reaching these people. I get he's only analyzing the data but he is the VP of analytics so one would assume he'd have a better grasp. I can't imagine the people who actually implemented this campaign couldn't articulate this better than him.

In 40+ years of experience he's only done one other scenario like this? He's probably seen thousands of surveys. He has ONE other under his belt? You can't swing a cat without hitting a digital marketing agency that specializes analytics in today's world. How they landed with this guy is amazing. It must have been a coupon on the back of a receipt somewhere.

I will say it was awkward to watch Bryant hear something be said by the state and almost laughingly agree, smile and shake his head. I could just picture JP wondering what the hell the guy was doing. Not going to beat him up on that as he isn't a trained tv personality.

Overall, whether this was admitted today, next month, next year or a decade down the road is really irrelevant. It's going to get absolutely hammered. I don't think they should have had a problem getting quantifiable data to support their argument in the first place.

The company hired to do the survey and what was presented was laughable and absolute garbage in my opinion.
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The survey testimony had me pulling out my hair. So many issues, starting w/only 18 respondents from Freemont County, the presiding venue that alledgedly needs to be changed. Then there’s the sample bias. Ignore that people on the “list company’s” list are a subset in themselves. Consider they invited people by emailing them asking if they’d like to take a survey on a local crime. Members of the larger jury pool who don’t follow true crime news will scroll right by. So by self-selection participants are more likely to a) be informed about the case and b) have an opinion than would the random bear. Yet “sample bias” doesn’t appear to be something JP, RW or the Judge are even aware of.

But for argument’s sake let’s assume sample composition and size weren’t fatally flawed. I’m flabberghasted that no one asked the obvious question: How do these results compare with those among people in the counties you suggest moving to? I have no doubt that a lot of people in Rexford and surrounding counties think Chad and Lori are guilty (even though I believe most can and do set aside their opinions if seated on a Jury and the majority of those who can’t or won’t are weeded out during voir dire). However, I’m certain there are people clear on the other side of Idaho, the US and the planet who are aware of the case and also think Chad and Lori aee guilty. How many? Who knows. But if the numbers are similar to those captured in the local survey, there’s absolutely no point in moving the trial (other than to shorten commute time of Defense attorneys).

I found the utter lack of understanding of consumer research in that courtroom dismaying. A dismay that goes way beyond this particular case. How many other times in other courtrooms has evidence been presented where no-one in the room understands enough about the subject to know when it’s being misrepresented. Not just surveys—surveys are relatively simple in the grand scheme of things. Ballistics, blood evidence, digital footprints, GAAP, all sorts of stuff.

Oy Vey

JMO
 
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