I have the hardest time understanding any of CA's behavior. The first time I heard about her throwing KC under the bus in front of JG, I was floored. It just didn't seem to match up with the "enabler" we had seen in the media where she protected KC at all cost. The two opposing actions just don't mesh, IMO.
When CA first arrived at TL's Apt., KC ushered her outside as soon as the door was opened, so they could talk without TL and roommate hearing the conversation. Most likely, it was then that CA asked KC where Caylee was and KC gave her the nanny story. Still you would think CA would have been a bit suspicious since, for all she knew, Caylee had been in the Apt. recently ? It seems to me that if CA had mentioned Caylee when she was in TL's apt, either TL or his roommate would have remembered that.
And I agree about life in that house. It's unimaginable to me.
:clap::clap:If this (Tony) had been the only time Cindy resorted to this behavior I wouldn't take issue with it because of the extreme provocation and stress she was under at the time. But this wasn't the only incident; we already know of several other times she's indulged in this same nasty retaliatory behavior.
In addition to Ryan, Amy, and Tony, there was her contemptuous remark to Jesse when KC was around 18. To paraphrase that one: "Why would you want to marry somebody like her with no future..." IMO, this one is completely inexcuseable and probably unforgiveable in KC's eyes. Jesse must have felt the same way, because he's still thinking and talking about it.
There's no point in our debating this subject because we each have our own standards and restrictions for good parenting. My own included, "Never criticize or belittle your child (or adult child) to or in front of his/her friends. Never."
But that's just me and, hey, I'm no saint. I don't have nearly as much restraint as Cindy did when KC got out on bond and came home. The first night, I'd have hugged her warmly, and sat down to talk quietly to her--until she started feeding me nonsense about a non-existent nanny and tried convincing me that she could only give me "hints" and riddles about what happened. At that point, I would have asked LP and everyone else to leave the house for an hour so that Casey and I could "argue in private."
And then I would have urged her into the bathroom for our "extra privacy"---grabbed her by the hair, and dunked her head in the toilet bowl until I either had full answers to my every question, or else she'd swallowed all the water in the toilet bowl. Or drowned in it.
I kid you not. I really fear that in Cindy's place, I'd have lost it entirely with KC.
I have to agree with you on your comments about CA's behaviour concerning KC. I also recall JG's statements about incidents that occurred when he was dating KC. One was the occasion when he was lying on KC's bed watching TV with her one evening (both fully clothed IIRC) with Caylee between them, and CA and GA returned from an evening out and CA laid in to him about the 'rules' in her house. IMO this reaction was OTT considering they were a couple by then and apparently just innocently spending some time together with the baby. There is also his statement about how CA bad-mouthed KC to him regarding her failure to finish school etc. and it apparently upset him so much he felt he had to stand up for KC.
I get the impression that in a 'spin the coin' analogy of KC's chances of rising to her mother's expectations it was a case of......heads....I win, tails.....you lose!
Ya know, Cindy knew Casey was avoiding her. She didn't even go to the door with Amy IIRC. She kinda popped out. She knew there was something VERY wrong. Could there be more to the conversation that took place in that apartment and we haven't heard about it? Did Cindy ever try to contact TL like she did Casey's other friends? Was he ever part of that group meeting at the As? I can't remember any more. But, I find it hard to believe that she (or George) weren't all over that guy trying to get their own answers.If this (Tony) had been the only time Cindy resorted to this behavior I wouldn't take issue with it because of the extreme provocation and stress she was under at the time. But this wasn't the only incident; we already know of several other times she's indulged in this same nasty retaliatory behavior.
In addition to Ryan, Amy, and Tony, there was her contemptuous remark to Jesse when KC was around 18. To paraphrase that one: "Why would you want to marry somebody like her with no future..." IMO, this one is completely inexcuseable and probably unforgiveable in KC's eyes. Jesse must have felt the same way, because he's still thinking and talking about it.
There's no point in our debating this subject because we each have our own standards and restrictions for good parenting. My own included, "Never criticize or belittle your child (or adult child) to or in front of his/her friends. Never."
But that's just me and, hey, I'm no saint. I don't have nearly as much restraint as Cindy did when KC got out on bond and came home. The first night, I'd have hugged her warmly, and sat down to talk quietly to her--until she started feeding me nonsense about a non-existent nanny and tried convincing me that she could only give me "hints" and riddles about what happened. At that point, I would have asked LP and everyone else to leave the house for an hour so that Casey and I could "argue in private."
And then I would have urged her into the bathroom for our "extra privacy"---grabbed her by the hair, and dunked her head in the toilet bowl until I either had full answers to my every question, or else she'd swallowed all the water in the toilet bowl. Or drowned in it.
I kid you not. I really fear that in Cindy's place, I'd have lost it entirely with KC.
I always liked The Sociopath Next Door.
