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  1. #301
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Me View Post
    We still don't know the extent of what was or wasn't going on in that household. We don't know if there was a few isolated instances of physical abuse and some parental criticisms that could be taken as (bbm) verbal abuse. We have heard a lot about the children being kept quite isolated.

    The point I was making was that there must not have been abuse enough for his attorney to find reason to defend Robert or appeal to a jury for a lighter sentence.

    I'm not saying I know what was going on in that home that caused these two brothers to have such sick, violent plans. I would think there was also love in the household, but they didn't hesitate over the love. They wanted to massacre their entire family and once they had their freedom they wanted to start killing strangers. Nothing justifies what they decided to do, IMO. Their little siblings certainly didn't deserve to be brutally killed.

    It's a mystery to me how the parents didn't see what a seriously evil situation was brewing in their two sons' minds despite all the time the whole family spent together isolated in that house.

    Prayers to the two surviving sisters. Prayers to Broken Arrow that they get a park that will be a healing place from all the sorrow we have all felt over this case.


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    The irony has not escaped me (Forgive me if I've already mentioned this). Apparently the parents kept the children isolated to protect them from evil in the world. If that was their thinking, it's interesting to note that isolation from the rest of the world didn't protect the household from evil. It lurked within and engulfed them.

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    The Bever house is no longer. Here is a photo of the lot. The city owns the lot now, so maybe work on the park will start soon.

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    Michael Bever's trial has been delayed. His defense claims he is not guilty by reason of insanity.

    http://www.newson6.com/story/3548894...-michael-bever

    I keep hoping there won't be a trial so their sister, Crystal won't have to testify. She is now 15 years old. I can only imagine all the questions they will be asking her.
    The truth is rarely pure and never simple. - Oscar Wilde

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    Murder Trial For Michael Bever Delayed Til April

    http://www.newson6.com/story/3623144...family-members

    Michael Bever was slated for a status conference hearing Monday in the deaths of five family members. It was originally the day his jury trial was to begin.

    The trial was again delayed, this time until next April. Bever is charged with five counts of first-degree murder and one count of assault and battery.

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    Do we know if Autumn and Crystal were placed together? I heard mention of foster parents but that's it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsFacetious View Post
    Do we know if Autumn and Crystal were placed together? I heard mention of foster parents but that's it...
    I know that they are both in foster homes, but I don't know if they are together. Everyone is very tight-lipped about where they are or if they are in the same home.

    I did find it odd that no family members from either side of the family, or even friends volunteered to take the children in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyWest View Post
    I know that they are both in foster homes, but I don't know if they are together. Everyone is very tight-lipped about where they are or if they are in the same home.

    I did find it odd that no family members from either side of the family, or even friends volunteered to take the children in.
    Foster home could still mean family or friends....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsFacetious View Post
    Foster home could still mean family or friends....
    It could, but not in this case. I've heard they are in very good care, though.

    Neighbors have taken care of the upkeep of the front and backyard for 2 years. One of the neighbors also took in their little dog in case the girls wanted the dog, but she never heard anything back, so she just kept her.
    The truth is rarely pure and never simple. - Oscar Wilde

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    Broken Arrow teen charged in familicide case uncooperative during psych evaluation, DA says

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/court...d8ed6454e.html

    The document says the Tulsa County Public Defender’s Office provided the state a copy of a psychological report from Dr. Terese Hall on May 22, which prompted prosecutors to retain Dr. Shawn Roberson so he could conduct his own inquiry with Bever.

    “Although the defendant communicated with Dr. Roberson about various aspects of his evaluation, the defendant refused to communicate specifically with Dr. Roberson about the facts surrounding the alleged crimes,” Kunzweiler wrote in his motion.

    He went on to say it is essential for the state to have Roberson examine Bever because not doing so could have a negative impact on how he is prosecuted and perceived during a possible jury trial.

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    DA to appeal after judge rules Michael Bever won't have to discuss case with state psychologist

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/court...20cedeb4c.html

    Judge Holmes granted Kunzweiler’s request to let Edmond-based psychologist Dr. Shawn Roberson interview Michael Bever at the Tulsa Jail. However, she said Roberson cannot obtain information relating to the incident itself without first notifying Bever of his Miranda rights, at which point Bever is allowed to invoke his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination.

    Kunzweiler said after the hearing that he intends to appeal to the Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals, but Chief Public Defender Corbin Brewster and Assistant Public Defender Marny Hill argued existing case law on the matter provides clear parameters for challenges to mental health-based defenses.

    Kunzweiler contended that Bever waived his Fifth Amendment rights because he believes defense expert Dr. Terese Hall “clearly relies upon what Mr. Bever says” about the stabbings when she compiled a report in May about Bever’s health that former Chief Public Defender Rob Nigh has said supports an insanity defense.


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    Hi all, just joined.

    I think as most here agree the motives were unclear and remain so. I have a few possible motives, although I must say they are pure speculation for the most part.

    The older Bever boy has a Youtube channel called ColtEmpireOfficial. He was a fairly typical gaming 'nerd'. Probably had some form of autism. High functioning that is.

    He also shows from his Youtube that he is a somewhat vein character. One can pick up that he appears to revel in his youthful looks.

    Has anyone considered he may have been gay or had feelings of being gay. That the family were conservative christians and Robert Bever hated them for it.

    Another theory I have is as others have mentioned already; the parents were strict disciplinarians and both killers disliked living under their thumb.

    Finally, I suspect both boys especially Robert are psychopaths. But that perhaps being so sheltered they lacked an understanding of modern societal norms. Such as, don't kill you family!

    Until any proof comes out that the parents were abusive I think those two fruits are where they belong. It was a truly disgusting crime.

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    His trial is scheduled to start April 16th.

    Michael Bever and his brother, Robert, were both charged with five counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of their parents and three of their siblings at their Broken Arrow home in 2015.

    Robert pleaded guilty and is now serving five life sentences without parole.

    Michael is currently waiting on a mental health evaluation from the state. The DA said they need to know if Michael understood the consequences of his actions before the 2015 mass murder.

    Michael was 16-years-old at the time of the crime.

    http://www.newson6.com/story/3717086...-trial-in-2018

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    Michael Bever's defense claims sister's diary was mishandled by police, contained evidence of abuse

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagela...0123e2ac9.html

    In a hearing Friday afternoon, chief public defender Corbin Brewster said he learned from the evidence-gathering process in the case that a detective who worked on the investigation apparently received information from an employee at a local auction business indicating Bever’s sister kept a journal that documented physical abuse within the family’s residence.

    The Bevers’ estate had previously authorized the release for auction of a series of items, primarily electronics, that investigators didn’t explicitly mark as having evidentiary value.

    The auction employee, according to Brewster, notified the detective in 2016 that the items were set for sale in the event police wanted to review them, which he said was when he believed the detective became aware of the notebook and abuse claims.

    Brewster told the court that officers inspected a notebook last year that matched the description of the journal provided by the employee and reported it was evident pages were missing because of paper caught inside the spiral. As a result, he said he had “serious concerns” over the possible mishandling or destruction of evidence and asked District Judge Sharon Holmes to set a hearing in which the detective would testify about the issue.

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    Michael Bever's defense claims sister's diary was mishandled by police, contained evidence of abuse

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagela...0123e2ac9.html
    The diary must belong to the older girl who survived, so she could possibly remember what was on the missing pages. She might have torn them out.

    She really is key to discovering what all went on in that house, but I can't even imagine how difficult 'surviving' has been for her. Poor thing.

    Her diary ended up at the auction house? Bizarre. SMH.

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    Possible Mishandling Of Evidence In Michael Bever Murder Trial, http://m.newson6.com/story.aspx?story=37204771



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