To say the fibers were found 'tied into' the cord is not very remarkable, since JBR's hair was also found in the cord, and naturally PR's jacket fibers would be prevalent in JBR's hair, especially if PR wore the jacket the previous day.Nehemiah said:Fibers that were consistent with the jacket that Patsy wore the previous day were found "tied into" the ligature and in the paint tray. Thomas reported that
fibers from the jacket Patsy had been wearing were found to be "chemically and microscopically consistent" with four fibers found on the inside of the piece of duct tape.
How did those fibers get onto the duct tape? I guess that could be up for grabs...John reportedly told Lou Smit that he dropped the tape after removing it from JB's mouth, therefore, according to ST, it could have fallen on the blanket JonBenet's body was wrapped in. According to Patsy, the blanket came from JonBenet's bed, where it might have picked up the fibers from Patsy's red sweater-jacket when Patsy tucked JonBenet in the previous night. Some think that LE may have fabricated the fiber "evidence" in their interviews with the Ramseys.
Most of the fiber evidence was determined after the Ramseys' 1998 interviews. When they were interviewed again in 2000, L Wood wouldn't allow Patsy to answer questions about the fibers and her clothing unless Wood could first have the lab results. That didn't happen, as far as I know.
Patsy publicly "explained" the fibers by saying that she had hugged JB's body when she was brought up from the basement. She didn't speak to the fibers that were found in the ligature and paint tray.
Where are all the "intruders" fibers? You'd think after spending all that time composing a 3 page ransom note, garrote making, stun gunning, pineapple feeding, carrying Jon Benet, strangling & head bashing, body wiping, mouth duct taping, blanket covering, and climbing out the basement window, the intruder would have left some shred of tangible evidence!Holdontoyourhat said:To say the fibers were found 'tied into' the cord is not very remarkable, since JBR's hair was also found in the cord, and naturally PR's jacket fibers would be prevalent in JBR's hair, especially if PR wore the jacket the previous day.
What is so unusual about finding JBR's mother's clothing fibers just about anywhere on or near JBR, or anywhere else in her house? She lived there, her clothing fibers would be everywhere.
If an intruder borrowed it, it wouldn't be because he was chilly. As far as the 'no intruder fibers' are concerned, I think thats a matter of opinion.Linda7NJ said:Where are all the "intruders" fibers? You'd think after spending all that time composing a 3 page ransom note, garrote making, stun gunning, pineapple feeding, carrying Jon Benet, strangling & head bashing, body wiping, mouth duct taping, blanket covering, and climbing out the basement window, the intruder would have left some shred of tangible evidence!
Weren't those fibers also found in the paint tray? Didn't Patsy say she never wore that jacket to paint in? How did those fibers get in the paint tray, when Pasty supposedly was never in the basement that night or the following morning?
:doh: Oppps the "intruder" probably got chilly at some point and snuck in Patsy's bedroom and borrowed it.....then later, before he left, stealthily returned it.
Linda7NJ said:Where are all the "intruders" fibers? You'd think after spending all that time composing a 3 page ransom note, garrote making, stun gunning, pineapple feeding, carrying Jon Benet, strangling & head bashing, body wiping, mouth duct taping, blanket covering, and climbing out the basement window, the intruder would have left some shred of tangible evidence!
Weren't those fibers also found in the paint tray? Didn't Patsy say she never wore that jacket to paint in? How did those fibers get in the paint tray, when Pasty supposedly was never in the basement that night or the following morning?
Soft evidence, yes... but that's exactly why John and Patsy handled the body upon "discovery" of her body instead of calling Linda Arndt downstairs to process the crime scene. They were purposely trying to contaminate the evidence IMO!BlueCrab said:Linda7NJ,
The fibers are soft evidence.
BlueCrab
I have to agree. If this had actually been the work of an intruder, JR would have called Arndt downstairs to inspect the crime scene and keep it as uncontaminated as possible so they could have a better chance at catching the killer. Both John and Patsy had to know that you don't touch the crime scene or the body to preserve the evidence.LinasK said:Soft evidence, yes... but that's exactly why John and Patsy handled the body upon "discovery" of her body instead of calling Linda Arndt downstairs to process the crime scene. They were purposely trying to contaminate the evidence IMO!
Nuisanceposter said:I have to agree. If this had actually been the work of an intruder, JR would have called Arndt downstairs to inspect the crime scene and keep it as uncontaminated as possible so they could have a better chance at catching the killer. Both John and Patsy had to know that you don't touch the crime scene or the body to preserve the evidence.
Holdontoyourhat said:This is one of the best clues left behind by the killer. This shows whats going on in his mind. This is a sexual device. Its a strangulation device. Hes a sexual sadist. Im looking for a pedophile thats a sexual sadist. Thats what Lou Smits looking for, he says.
Linda7NJ said:Weren't those fibers also found in the paint tray? Didn't Patsy say she never wore that jacket to paint in? How did those fibers get in the paint tray, when Pasty supposedly was never in the basement that night or the following morning?
You are so right on that, the average person knows that you dont contaminate a crime scene but if thats my child they would have to pry me away!!Nehemiah said:I can see your point, Nuisanceposter. Then again, I can also see a parent who, upon finally finding his missing daughter, grabs her up, totally consumed with fear and maybe even a shred of hope.
I could maybe buy that if John hadn't made a beeline for the room she was in and snatched her up immediately upon Arndt's request to search the house again. He knew she was in there, it was time to find her, and that's why he went directly to that room and "discovered" her. Then he carried her upstairs because he wanted the crime scene polluted.Nehemiah said:I can see your point, Nuisanceposter. Then again, I can also see a parent who, upon finally finding his missing daughter, grabs her up, totally consumed with fear and maybe even a shred of hope.
Nuisanceposter said:I could maybe buy that if John hadn't made a beeline for the room she was in and snatched her up immediately upon Arndt's request to search the house again. He knew she was in there, it was time to find her, and that's why he went directly to that room and "discovered" her. Then he carried her upstairs because he wanted the crime scene polluted.
What beeline?Nuisanceposter said:I could maybe buy that if John hadn't made a beeline for the room she was in and snatched her up immediately upon Arndt's request to search the house again. He knew she was in there, it was time to find her, and that's why he went directly to that room and "discovered" her. Then he carried her upstairs because he wanted the crime scene polluted.
Nuisanceposter said:For all I know, JR put that suitcase there himself as a prop before pointing it out.
I too would like to know if LE made that up. If it's a true piece of evidence and if the fibers match microscopically, then there was no intruder. Since this was made public, then any further clarification to the public (especially us websleuthers) seems justified and warranted.ellen13 said:I've always believed that there would be a good reason for Patsy's sweater fibers to be on the ligature-but the paint tray. That's another story. I would love to know if LE made that up or if it's a true piece of evidence.