Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #19

What about Anderson, Lake, or is that considered part of Redding? Also do you know of a way to access the Redding PD logs? You had mentioned the Redding Crime 2.0 FB page in a prior post, so you may know where I'm going with this. There was a report of 2 Hispanic women tasing a young girl in the dog park. (yes, WSers, I still pop in and out of this rabbit hole, but I would really like to get some confirmation as I do think it has some relevance). JMO

Lake16 said:

Thank you for the marvelous question!

What I would like to see happen is a sleuthing of media articles and to the extent they are available, police logs, for the last 12-18 months to see if we can find similar MO's of two female Hispanics attempting to abduct people, or possibly attacking people or some other serious crime. And also if any arrests were made. That information might help identify the perpetrators.

In California I think areas to check might be:
Redding,
Susanville,
Yreka
Eureka,
Red Bluff,
Chico,
Oroville,
Yuba City/Marysville
Woodland
Sacramento

And also Medford, Oregon.

In my opinion that would be more productive than discussing what type of "hose clamps" SP had on (LE already knows), what KP should or should not have done or said (it's been done already and he is not a suspect) or any other number of details which LE already knows the answer to.

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Hoosier952 said:

My answer is: it depends. We have poor reception at home and when placed in strategic spots around the house, my phone will ring, but the chances of being able to actually carry a conversation are slim to none, even if I don't move the phone. It either disconnects or is choppy. Other times, even in those strategic spots and everywhere else in the house, it goes straight to voicemail. I guess it depends on just how terrible the reception is. I know my dad can make crystal clear calls in the front of his house, but the rear of the house is a dead zone. It's not a big house and there is no in between. It's all or nothing.

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Also can depend on the model of the phone. We have very poor reception at our house. My phone will only occasionally ring while inside and I have to go outside to talk. My son has the same carrier. His old phone had the same problems I did but when he went to newer phone (and more expensive) he could both make and receive call inside.

rsd1200 said:

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That's a thing I enjoy about W.S. I learn a lot. We have a lot of construction here, and seriously, it's gone on for years, I can't imagine averaging 70 mph, for 2.5 hours straight, around here. We do know how to take curves though, so someone unfamiliar to this area, could not drive as far in 2.5 hours, as we could, for example.One of my son's had an associate come into town who was from a relatively flat state. Guy had never been in the mountains. You'll almost meet yourself on some curves. My son had to pull over and let the guy get his stomach back together before they made it to their destination.

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I5 south of Redding to the area of Yolo is all flat, agriculture land that if you don't go 70mph, you will be run over by those going 75-80. No construction going on there that would slow anybody down. Yep, 2.25 hours at 75 mph on the cruise control until you hit congestion in Woodland.

rsd1200 said:

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That's a thing I enjoy about W.S. I learn a lot. We have a lot of construction here, and seriously, it's gone on for years, I can't imagine averaging 70 mph, for 2.5 hours straight, around here. We do know how to take curves though, so someone unfamiliar to this area, could not drive as far in 2.5 hours, as we could, for example.One of my son's had an associate come into town who was from a relatively flat state. Guy had never been in the mountains. You'll almost meet yourself on some curves. My son had to pull over and let the guy get his stomach back together before they made it to their destination.

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I can average 80 mph on I-5 in Oregon where the speed limit is just 65 mph. The only time I have to slow down is when I get blocked by a slow truck in the left lane. Even then the truck is usually doing 65 mph, unless it's going uphill on a mountain pass. Average 70 mph for 2.5 hours is doable, unless there is a bad accident or construction.

Lake16 said:

Thank you for the marvelous question!

What I would like to see happen is a sleuthing of media articles and to the extent they are available, police logs, for the last 12-18 months to see if we can find similar MO's of two female Hispanics attempting to abduct people, or possibly attacking people or some other serious crime. And also if any arrests were made. That information might help identify the perpetrators.

In California I think areas to check might be:
Redding,
Susanville,
Yreka
Eureka,
Red Bluff,
Chico,
Oroville,
Yuba City/Marysville
Woodland
Sacramento

And also Medford, Oregon.

In my opinion that would be more productive than discussing what type of "hose clamps" SP had on (LE already knows), what KP should or should not have done or said (it's been done already and he is not a suspect) or any other number of details which LE already knows the answer to.

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Gardener1850 said:

I think this is a great idea. I hope the mods will clarify if there is any objection to us going through old police reports and news articles to look for similar crimes.

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Clarification

Per Tricia, MSM articles and reports of those arrested for similar violent crimes meeting the perps' description given by SP are okay to sleuth.

Keep it between the lines, folks.

robthomaseyes said:

Well,
if this information is true, I'd think it would be kind of hard to live with your husband if you already have a boyfriend living with you. The bathroom must get crowded at 7:00 a.m. on a Monday morning.

Seriously, though, something must be off with this info.

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We know the divorce dates are correct from public records. Perhaps KP's move in date is incorrect? Or not. It doesn't really matter now.

Lake16 said:

She was not dropped off on I-5.

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In thinking about whether she was taken to &/or held in an urban area or a rural area, I'm wondering about some things that you may or may not know but might be worth exploring with SP that she could think about and then share with LE.
What she heard or did not hear and maybe smelled or did not smell could be important. Some thoughts:
Did she hear sirens frequently or infrequently?
Did she hear planes &/or helicopters overhead frequently or infrequently?
Could she hear the sound of natural water?
Could she smell any industrial type of odors?

Maybe this line of thinking will trigger others to think of other questions.

What if the children are teenage girls?
Something that I have been researching in trying to make sense of this case. I can see where someone might abduct her for a period of time then release her to send message.
It is what I have found and could explain several questions that have gone unanswered so far.
THIS IS ONLY A THEORY backed by MSM sources and a logged police report*
I know 2 women mentioned SP ties to Humboldt and Eureka could be something other than marjuana?

*https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.in...idnapped/amp?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us.

What if she had another reason to be in the Emerald Triangle?
Say, being an advocate and helping young women obtain access to health care or birth control?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12917472

Could this really have been her?
*http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/Sheriff/daily-logs/11-05-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=2
*which is now a blank page

"ADV believes saw MP at Hilltop Medical Clinic on Wednesday just after 1400 hours. Female had on whi sweater/slacks. ADV Business doesn't have surveillance but jewelry store next door poss does."

A medical center?

Here are a few locations.
Planned Parenthood
2970 Hilltop Mall Road #307Richmond,*CA*94806
* https://g.co/kgs/PIZi4A

*Planned Parenthood - Eureka Health Center
3225 Timber Fall Ct B, Eureka, CA 95503
https://g.co/kgs/VzJ7kH

*Just to make a note Nov 2nd WAS a Wednesday!* It was also BEFORE Trump was elected.

Humboldt State University
Planned Parenthood Outreach Services will be on campus (when school is in session) every WEDNESDAY from 1:00-4:30 at the Student Health Center on the 2nd floor.
*https://www2.humboldt.edu/health/planned-parenthood

A PDF from Women’s Health Specialists in 2006 lists a Sherri Graeff as a contributor* (page 20)

https://www.womenshealthspecialists.org/assets/uploads/2016/08/2006.pdf

This is what rally was for.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.sfga...AIGN-2006-PROPOSITION-85-Parental-2486240.php

We also saw how excited her mother was that TRUMP won.
(I won't link to mother's Facebook
page. )

After SP release-
I think it created the largest fire we could have created, and it made her a huge liability to the individuals who had her,” Redding resident Lisa Jeter tells PEOPLE."

*https://www.google.com/amp/people.com/crime/sherri-papini-missing-update-how-redding-searched/amp/

⚠Curiously during the time Sherri was missing this happened.

"The organization has received nearly 80,000 donations, many of them in Vice President–elect Mike Pence’s name:

*https://www.google.com/amp/amp.time...od-donation-increase-donald-trump/?source=dam
"On Monday, the*American Civil Liberties Union*announced a whopping $7.2 million in donations over the last five days."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/aclu-raised-7-2-million-184500927.html
*https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...ll-surging-days-after-trumps-election-2016-11

Then we have the sister coming forward for the family .
What is the FIRST comment she made?

"Before I say anything, I would like to share with everyone that I am 6 months pregnant and please be mindful of my emotions"

*http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016...held-by-sherri-papinis-sister-sheila-koester/
*https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews....?id=43930023?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us

Also remember that she didn't answer or didn't* know where or if her sister worked.


All JUST MY OPINION
MINE AND MINE ALONE
NO BASHING OF SHERRI AS I AM* A NURSE AND I HELP PEOPLE TOO.

robthomaseyes said:

Of course. But what if testifying puts their family - their children! - in danger?

I'm just glad I don't have to make such a choice. It can't be easy.

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If the people are caught they should be convicted and jailed.
Possible charges
Aggravated kidnapping
Charges for each of the beatings Sherri was given
Charges for the branding
------others?

robthomaseyes said:

Well,
if this information is true, I'd think it would be kind of hard to live with your husband if you already have a boyfriend living with you. The bathroom must get crowded at 7:00 a.m. on a Monday morning.

Seriously, though, something must be off with this info.

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Many times, marriages aren't dissolved legally, but new relationships take form, as the prior one is - for all intents and purposes - done. I'm not saying that's definitively what occurred here, but it's definitely possible. I know people who took a decade to formally divorce. (No clue why, but I'm sure there are reasons folks do it).


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Thank you. Could I get a clarification on whether MSM articles and reports of similar violent crimes where a perp's description is given and is similar to that reported by SP can be discussed? In most cases no i.d. will be known, in others LE may have issued a public BOLO?.

beach said:

Clarification

Per Tricia, MSM articles and reports of those arrested for similar violent crimes meeting the perps' description given by SP are okay to sleuth.

Keep it between the lines, folks.

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KaaBoom said:

In order:

1. Gang Initiation.
2. Hate Crime.
3. Kidnaping for sexual assault and torture.
4. Kidnaping for ransom
5. Revenge (somebody who had an issue with SP)
6. Sex Trafficking

Last three I think are highly unlikely.

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None of the above.

Illegal cartel pot grow, forced labor to finish harvest under armed guards, no plans to release once harvest goals were met but due to wide spread media, released.

vlpate said:

Can you tell if cell phone or landline?

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There are websites that will tell you that. One is called PhoneValidator, it will tell you if a number is a cell or land line and who the carrier is. Not putting the link in case it is against TOS but you can find it by searching.

Lake16 said:

Thank you. Could I get a clarification on whether MSM articles and reports of similar violent crimes where a perp's description is given and is similar to that reported by SP can be discussed? In most cases no i.d. will be known, in others LE may have issued a public BOLO?.

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Beach said arrested for a reason. A BOLO doesn't mean a crime was committed.

Logansden77 said:

She was released somewhere on rural county road 17 east of I5. In looking at a map of the area, it makes no sense to me (IMO) that those that released her would continue heading east on co rd 17 into the town of Yolo. There are too many turns to make at 4:30 in the morning to get out of that town and head east as an escape route. They may have headed east, did a u turn, released her and headed back to I5 for a north/south escape. Or, in looking at the map, continued west on co rd 17 to I505. That is also a major north/south route that connects to I5 north, or I80 to the south.

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Is there any possibility the dark SUV that SP was in, driven by the 2 Hispanic ladies, headed back towards Redding instead of away from that city?

kanzz said:

skibaboo's maps

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I have seen that map. With all due respect to the map maker, the pins on that map are obviously not exact locations. County Road 17 is not a specific location. Me and I think others here would like to know the exact location. Because that would help to know what direction the car was traveling when she was pushed out.

KaaBoom said:

I have seen that map. With all due respect to the map maker, the pins on that map are obviously not exact locations. County Road 17 is not a specific location. Me and I think others here would like to know the exact location. Because that would help to know what direction the car was traveling when she was pushed out.

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Oh, OK. That's all I have. Don't know the exact location. Does anybody? Maybe I haven't kept up as well as some others.

I want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly. We are to sleuth Hispanic women, who may have committed similar violent crimes, correct? Those who meet the description given? Therefore, most likely all Hispanic women, whose names appear on an arrest log or report. Although no one has been named a POI or suspect, right?

This is more of a general question - am not even sure it can be answered, but here goes:

Is there a general time of day (hourly range) where an abductor(s) releases the victim for whatever reason?

Morning? Noon? Afternoon? Night? Midnight? Between midnight and 5 AM?

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