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Popup technique. The idea is in a shootout you can take cover, move and popup in a different place. There could also be some crowed control being used. Open fire toward the stage with the idea of people running backward. Change position and open fire again on the people running backward and force them to move forward then change again.
Though i'm not sure he planned this far ahead... For all we know he was going to open up on the strip and the concert just happened to be there
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Video of the crowd about an hour before the attack (no violence depicted, provided to MSM source by band that played prior to Aldean's set.)
https://www.toddstarnes.com/column/vegas-sings-god-bless-america
So bittersweet to see all of these different people united in a moment like this, and then to know the violence and destruction that one selfish person caused. I can't wrap my head around it.
https://www.toddstarnes.com/column/vegas-sings-god-bless-america
So bittersweet to see all of these different people united in a moment like this, and then to know the violence and destruction that one selfish person caused. I can't wrap my head around it.
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I would not be surprised if Stephen Paddock is an injustice collector. That is what characterizes rampage killers and terrorists. of course this is too early to tell. We should hear more in the coming days.
Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole was on television. She stated that Stephen Paddock likely planned it for a while.
The Dangerous Injustice Collector: Behaviors of Someone Who Never Forgets, Never Forgives, Never Lets Go, and Strikes Back!
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/vio.2014.1509
Psychology of Terrorism - National Criminal Justice Reference Service
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/208552.PDF
On Wound Collectors
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201509/wound-collectors
Murderous Envy
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/keeping-kids-safe/200905/murderous-envy
Injustice Collectors
http://www.psybersquare.com/family/family_injustice.html
1.) Injustice Collectors are convinced that they are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It is simple: They are always right.
2.) Injustice Collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.
3.) Injustice Collectors truly believe that they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others chronically do not hold themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.
4.) Injustice Collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combined legislator, police, and judge and jury of
5.) Injustice Collectors never worry about what is wrong with themselves as their "bad list" grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.
6.) Injustice Collectors are never upset by the disparity of their rules for others with their own expectations of themselves.
7.) Injustice Collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.
Here are more with 20 characteristics
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/11/25/are-they-injustice-collector
Characteristics of Injustice Collectors
1. Injustice collectors are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It's simple: They are always right.
2. Injustice collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.
3. Injustice collectors truly believe they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others seem incapable of holding themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.
4. Injustice collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combination of legislator, police, judge and jury to those they consider their subjects. They forever banish from their kingdom any subject they deem disloyal, and only grant clemency if there is sufficient (in their eyes) contrition.
5. Injustice collectors never worry about what is wrong with them as their "bad" list grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.
6. Injustice collectors are never troubled by the disparity between their rules for others and their own expectations of themselves. Injustice collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.
7. Injustice collectors have an external orientation; the problem always exists in the world, outside of themselves, and in their view, the world would be an acceptable place if their rules and standards were followed at all times.
8. Injustice collectors do not have a capacity for remorse, empathy or guilt.
9. Injustice collectors scoff at the idea of therapy, therapists, self-help books, and other tools used by people who struggle to live with them.
10. The phrase "walking on eggshells" describes life with an injustice collector.
11. The IC (injustice Collector) will prey upon your weaknesses to frame all issues in their terms.
12. IC's will always cry foul when you are 'mean' to them and accuse you of being nasty when you are confronting them with their negative behavior.
13. They are titanically insecure and cannot trust anyone. All relationships they have, even with their own parents and children and trustless and must be reinforced by subordination over and over.
14. They can only strengthen relationships through imprisoning their mates and banning behaviors and other relationships. Friends and family are a huge threat to the IC.
15. They must repetitively revisit situations where you service them, give in to them and agree with them. They will over time shrink your world to a small plot of empty activities that only they like. They are terrified of travel, meeting new people, understanding new concepts and paroling you from any punishment they have previously 'convicted' you of.
16. They do not care about you at all, they care about aggrandizing themselves with you as an assistant producer.
17. They will occasionally do something for you, but if you are not completely brainwashed, it will be a negative experience for you in the end. Example is throwing you a birthday party. I guarantee you will not have fun at your own party.
18. They will force you to choose between them and other things you like or love. The more you choose them, the more they will make you choose them over and over. They do not understand the concept of loyalty at all.
19. Hypocrisy is their modus operandi for debating and arguing with you. Everything they say about you is true about them. (aka Projection) It makes it so you try to 'win' fights by getting them to agree with you, which they never can because their whole position is false.
20. Your life will disappear into their lives. Your hopes and dreams will fade, even in your own mind. You will eat what they want, you will watch what they want on TV, you will vacation where they want, or not at all.
Identifying The Next Mass MurdererBefore Its Too Late
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ntifying-the-next-mass-murderer-it-s-too-late
On June 17, 2015, according to authorities, Dylann Storm Roof (link is external) walked into the Emanuel
African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, sat down, and after an hour or so allegedly shot three men and six women, attending a bible study class. Immediately people began to take sides, and not just about the gun debate. Was this an act of terror? Was this a hate crime? Was this a lone wolf? Was this a conspiracy? On and on. What is interesting as well as frustrating is that none of these terms serve a useful purpose.
Four years ago, on July 22, 2011, Anders Behring Breivik set off a bomb near the government headquarters of the Labor Party in Oslo, Norway; after which he proceeded to the secluded island of Utøya, where he methodically killed, with a high powered rifle, 65 plus children attending a youth event. Does it matter if we call Anders Behring Breivik a terrorist, mass murderer, or a lone wolf? Not really, only one thing matters: how did he become this way, and were there signs that could have prevented this horrendous tragedy?
Once again we face a mass murder (FBI defined as 4 or more) and we need to get past the debate over the nomenclature (terrorist, extremist, mass murderer, lone wolf, genocide, etc.)that serves no prophylactic purpose. When it comes to Dylann Storm Roof, Anders Behring Breivik, the Boston Marathon Bombers, or the likes of Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski known as the UNABOMBER, and Timothy McVeigh, its not what we call them, the issue is: could we have prevented their acts? The answer is yes. And yet, we seem to be incapacitated when we hear the term lone wolf or solo terrorist as if we were describing a demon beyond our capability to identify and stop.
From the article.
Narcissistic Traits
Paranoid Ideation
Passionate Hatred
Wound Collectors
Communication
Violence as Magic
Isolation
The Lethal Cocktail
Acting Out
Examples Of Injustice Collector
Andrew Kehoe
Charles Whitman
Jim Jones
James Huberty
George Hennard
Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
Osama bin Laden
9/11 Terrorists
Seung-Hui Cho
Anders Breivik
Adam Lanza
Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
Aaron Alexis
Elliot Rodger
Vester Flanagan
Chris Mercer
Omar Mateen
They are mostly mass killers and terrorists. There are plenty of non-mass killers or killers who target a person they know who are injustice collectors.
Gertrude Baniszewski
John Wayne Gacy
David Berkowitz
Betty Broderick
Dora Cisneros
Lori Drew
Jodi Arias
Casey Anthony
Yoselyn Ortega
Michelle Carter
It is too early to know if Stephen Paddock was a chronic complainer.
Websleuth Radio Interview Tina Meier
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying
Starting at the 20:40 mark from September 2013 Websleuths Radio Interview. Tina Meier, Megan Meier's mother, is describing Lori Drew as a very talkative person who complained nonstop. She is described as a very unhappy and bitter person in a unhappy marriage. Drew wanted everyone to know her plight and suffering in life. Meier's description of Drew is typical of an injustice collector. Meier's description of Drew probably describes Stephen Paddock. Meier's description describes Omar Mateen, Mohamed Atta, Osama bin Laden, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, Andrew Kehoe, Vester Flanagan, Yoselyn Ortega, and Jodi Arias. We should hear more about him later in the coming days.
Elliot Rodger: An Analysis
https://schoolshooters.info/sites/default/files/rodger_analysis_2.0.pdf
From the article.
Beyond his entitlement, lack of empathy, and sadism, Rodger was also what the FBI report on school shooters labeled an injustice collector. This was described as follows: The student nurses resentment over real or perceived injustices. No matter how much time has passed, the injustice collector will not forget or forgive those wrongs or the people he or she believes are responsible (OToole, 2000, 17). Rodger went through life accumulating a sense of having been wronged by women; he nursed his resentment until it drove him to murder. Such resentment appears to be a product of his narcissism as he was quoted above, How dare they not give him the love and adoration he deserved.
Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole was on television. She stated that Stephen Paddock likely planned it for a while.
The Dangerous Injustice Collector: Behaviors of Someone Who Never Forgets, Never Forgives, Never Lets Go, and Strikes Back!
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/vio.2014.1509
Psychology of Terrorism - National Criminal Justice Reference Service
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/208552.PDF
On Wound Collectors
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201509/wound-collectors
Murderous Envy
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/keeping-kids-safe/200905/murderous-envy
Injustice Collectors
http://www.psybersquare.com/family/family_injustice.html
1.) Injustice Collectors are convinced that they are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It is simple: They are always right.
2.) Injustice Collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.
3.) Injustice Collectors truly believe that they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others chronically do not hold themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.
4.) Injustice Collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combined legislator, police, and judge and jury of
5.) Injustice Collectors never worry about what is wrong with themselves as their "bad list" grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.
6.) Injustice Collectors are never upset by the disparity of their rules for others with their own expectations of themselves.
7.) Injustice Collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.
Here are more with 20 characteristics
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/11/25/are-they-injustice-collector
Characteristics of Injustice Collectors
1. Injustice collectors are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It's simple: They are always right.
2. Injustice collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.
3. Injustice collectors truly believe they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others seem incapable of holding themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.
4. Injustice collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combination of legislator, police, judge and jury to those they consider their subjects. They forever banish from their kingdom any subject they deem disloyal, and only grant clemency if there is sufficient (in their eyes) contrition.
5. Injustice collectors never worry about what is wrong with them as their "bad" list grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.
6. Injustice collectors are never troubled by the disparity between their rules for others and their own expectations of themselves. Injustice collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.
7. Injustice collectors have an external orientation; the problem always exists in the world, outside of themselves, and in their view, the world would be an acceptable place if their rules and standards were followed at all times.
8. Injustice collectors do not have a capacity for remorse, empathy or guilt.
9. Injustice collectors scoff at the idea of therapy, therapists, self-help books, and other tools used by people who struggle to live with them.
10. The phrase "walking on eggshells" describes life with an injustice collector.
11. The IC (injustice Collector) will prey upon your weaknesses to frame all issues in their terms.
12. IC's will always cry foul when you are 'mean' to them and accuse you of being nasty when you are confronting them with their negative behavior.
13. They are titanically insecure and cannot trust anyone. All relationships they have, even with their own parents and children and trustless and must be reinforced by subordination over and over.
14. They can only strengthen relationships through imprisoning their mates and banning behaviors and other relationships. Friends and family are a huge threat to the IC.
15. They must repetitively revisit situations where you service them, give in to them and agree with them. They will over time shrink your world to a small plot of empty activities that only they like. They are terrified of travel, meeting new people, understanding new concepts and paroling you from any punishment they have previously 'convicted' you of.
16. They do not care about you at all, they care about aggrandizing themselves with you as an assistant producer.
17. They will occasionally do something for you, but if you are not completely brainwashed, it will be a negative experience for you in the end. Example is throwing you a birthday party. I guarantee you will not have fun at your own party.
18. They will force you to choose between them and other things you like or love. The more you choose them, the more they will make you choose them over and over. They do not understand the concept of loyalty at all.
19. Hypocrisy is their modus operandi for debating and arguing with you. Everything they say about you is true about them. (aka Projection) It makes it so you try to 'win' fights by getting them to agree with you, which they never can because their whole position is false.
20. Your life will disappear into their lives. Your hopes and dreams will fade, even in your own mind. You will eat what they want, you will watch what they want on TV, you will vacation where they want, or not at all.
Identifying The Next Mass MurdererBefore Its Too Late
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ntifying-the-next-mass-murderer-it-s-too-late
On June 17, 2015, according to authorities, Dylann Storm Roof (link is external) walked into the Emanuel
African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, sat down, and after an hour or so allegedly shot three men and six women, attending a bible study class. Immediately people began to take sides, and not just about the gun debate. Was this an act of terror? Was this a hate crime? Was this a lone wolf? Was this a conspiracy? On and on. What is interesting as well as frustrating is that none of these terms serve a useful purpose.
Four years ago, on July 22, 2011, Anders Behring Breivik set off a bomb near the government headquarters of the Labor Party in Oslo, Norway; after which he proceeded to the secluded island of Utøya, where he methodically killed, with a high powered rifle, 65 plus children attending a youth event. Does it matter if we call Anders Behring Breivik a terrorist, mass murderer, or a lone wolf? Not really, only one thing matters: how did he become this way, and were there signs that could have prevented this horrendous tragedy?
Once again we face a mass murder (FBI defined as 4 or more) and we need to get past the debate over the nomenclature (terrorist, extremist, mass murderer, lone wolf, genocide, etc.)that serves no prophylactic purpose. When it comes to Dylann Storm Roof, Anders Behring Breivik, the Boston Marathon Bombers, or the likes of Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski known as the UNABOMBER, and Timothy McVeigh, its not what we call them, the issue is: could we have prevented their acts? The answer is yes. And yet, we seem to be incapacitated when we hear the term lone wolf or solo terrorist as if we were describing a demon beyond our capability to identify and stop.
From the article.
Narcissistic Traits
Paranoid Ideation
Passionate Hatred
Wound Collectors
Communication
Violence as Magic
Isolation
The Lethal Cocktail
Acting Out
Examples Of Injustice Collector
Andrew Kehoe
Charles Whitman
Jim Jones
James Huberty
George Hennard
Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
Osama bin Laden
9/11 Terrorists
Seung-Hui Cho
Anders Breivik
Adam Lanza
Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
Aaron Alexis
Elliot Rodger
Vester Flanagan
Chris Mercer
Omar Mateen
They are mostly mass killers and terrorists. There are plenty of non-mass killers or killers who target a person they know who are injustice collectors.
Gertrude Baniszewski
John Wayne Gacy
David Berkowitz
Betty Broderick
Dora Cisneros
Lori Drew
Jodi Arias
Casey Anthony
Yoselyn Ortega
Michelle Carter
It is too early to know if Stephen Paddock was a chronic complainer.
Websleuth Radio Interview Tina Meier
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying
Starting at the 20:40 mark from September 2013 Websleuths Radio Interview. Tina Meier, Megan Meier's mother, is describing Lori Drew as a very talkative person who complained nonstop. She is described as a very unhappy and bitter person in a unhappy marriage. Drew wanted everyone to know her plight and suffering in life. Meier's description of Drew is typical of an injustice collector. Meier's description of Drew probably describes Stephen Paddock. Meier's description describes Omar Mateen, Mohamed Atta, Osama bin Laden, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, Andrew Kehoe, Vester Flanagan, Yoselyn Ortega, and Jodi Arias. We should hear more about him later in the coming days.
Elliot Rodger: An Analysis
https://schoolshooters.info/sites/default/files/rodger_analysis_2.0.pdf
From the article.
Beyond his entitlement, lack of empathy, and sadism, Rodger was also what the FBI report on school shooters labeled an injustice collector. This was described as follows: The student nurses resentment over real or perceived injustices. No matter how much time has passed, the injustice collector will not forget or forgive those wrongs or the people he or she believes are responsible (OToole, 2000, 17). Rodger went through life accumulating a sense of having been wronged by women; he nursed his resentment until it drove him to murder. Such resentment appears to be a product of his narcissism as he was quoted above, How dare they not give him the love and adoration he deserved.
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Is that common knowledge? Seems like something you'd have to specifically study (or learn in military or LE, which we haven't heard he was in).
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oh my lord that sounds worse than what it already is
this - sounds like just effing with people
wondering if suicide stuff with money loss is here
we dont know if wife left him right
that could be beginning of spiral wife leaves he goes through a losing streak
if he cant gamble any more he will kill those that are there and can still gamble??
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting-live-updates.html
He rented a suite with the girlfriend's comp card or casino debit card as it was described. It wasn't two rooms.
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thats funny my dear
that is what I thought oh my god I could never think of something like that
that is just mean!!!
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http://www.magellanluxuryhotels.com/las-vegas/mandalay-bay-resort-and-casino-las-vegas/rooms/#rooms
Very nice...Vista Suite 1,705 square feet. 360 views.
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Popup a common technique in the gun community but I wouldn't imagine crowd control known much by civilians
Edit to add: I'm not much of a gun person today and I don't own any so I am not really up to date on a lot of what they do
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I've seen it in war movies.
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and you understood what they were doing !!!
this has to come back to gambling addiction moo
that seems to be the biggest part of his life that is coming out !
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Ha
knowing pop up made me think dont get you angry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It'd be common sense for a hunter.
You shoot in one area, they run away. You shoot in the other, they run back.
Honestly my first thought was "Bambi." I remember that scene from Bambi.
I can't wait to find out how this unassuming real estate investor with a gambling problem ended up with at least one automatic rifle. They have been illegal to buy or sell since 1986 and altering a semi-automatic rifle to fully automatic takes some skill and knowledge of firearms which he doesn't seem to have had.
Seems his young Malaysian GF was married to someone else. He may have been a victim of a scheme for his money.
We'll see.
Seems his young Malaysian GF was married to someone else. He may have been a victim of a scheme for his money.
We'll see.
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I'm confused - I thought he was a professional gambler? I'd think there's a difference between doing it for a living (I have a friend who gambles - mostly poker - a few times a year for extra income and to finance her travels) and being an addict (a family member who loses a lot of money and hast gotten credit cards in his children's names to finance his addiction). So calculating, calm and smart vs. impulsive and out of control. Different personalities.
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gambling just seems to be coming up endlessly -- i think that has to be a big component of last night
does anyone know if the wife left him or was on vacation or something like that thats a huge difference imo
in terms of spiral
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