2011.06.04 TRIAL Day Ten (Morning Session ONLY)

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Jose is saying all this is just opinion, just their opinion, her opinion.

And the witness agrees.

Oh mother of all that is holy...

ERROR RATES.

:eek:
 
All the expert lawyers and a couple judges i've heard on TV keep saying without a doubt Casey wil get a new trial because of ineffective counsel.

JB is only in this to become "HOLLYWOOD" he can care less about anything else...
 
OMG loved how she said "no other hairs matched, OTHER than those from the remains" HIGH FIVE!
 
bobkealing bob kealing
#caseyanthonytrial Body in the trunk suggests Casey was deceptive and disposed of it.
 
Does he really think he is making a point with this line of questioning???

Asked and answered, microscopic exam is not sufficient to prove that a hair came from a specific individual, only to disprove... I guess he is trying to confuse the jury with these irrevevent questions? She never said it was, and didn't examine it in that manor for that purpose.
 
This one issue can't possibly make or break the case. The decomp in the car claimed there was a body somewhere. Deathband on one hair said dead body should be around. Skeletal remains stated there was definitely a dead body. JB even claimed on Day 1 that Caylee was dead. Duh!

So his claim is to prove Caylee wasn't in the car with the decomp???????? It was with George, with Kronk? With the man in the moon?

I hope the jurors are smarter than JB.
 
omg this is ridiculous

witness: what hair?

JB: the hair we're all talking about
 
I wish they would have just let her answer. She was probably going to say it was in a perfectly normal position for a root band.
 
Cross exam of FBI analyst Karen Lowe by JB

National Academy of Science report was commissioned by Congress. Put together forensic sciences and individuals from the Court system to look at a better way to put forensics evidence in.

Where they highly critical in the area of microscopic hair analysis? Parts dealt with the limitations of the science - hair can't be a means of id without DNA, but they never are so the criticism is really pointing out a limitation of the science. She agrees. She says that in her reports and testimony. Must have an accompany mitochondrial DNA analysis. Nuclear DNA would be required to say a hair came from a specific individual.

Mitochondrial DNA is inherited maternally

Nuclear DNA is unique to an individual

She cannot testify that one hair comes from one individual. Report suggests doing accompanying DNA comparison.

This is the first time she has testified as an expert witness on hair banding.

She is an expert in the microscopic analysis and comparison of hair. She is not an expert in the physiology of hair.

Her expertise is based on 6 month training, some on the job training, 4 articles, 13 years of case analysis.

She does not know what causes port mortem banding. Studies show that it is seen as early as 8 hours after death. She doesn't know how long it takes to develop, as early as 8 hours. Not everyone who is deceased has post mortem banding. Doesn't know the frequency.

Post mortem root banding has not been replicated in conditions other than from someone who is deceased.

She requested the case agent to find more hairs.

She was informed that there might be hair from the vacuuming of the trunk. She requested them. "If we find more than one hair with decomp, the significance increases". She did not have doubts.

She did receive more hairs.

Starting with 8/1/08 report - she was given 12 items that were identified as coming from the vehicle. Some were hairs. Hairs had different characteristics. the only hair she compared to known samples was the hair showing decomp. 11 of the 12 items she received had some hairs. None showed characteristics of decomp.

8/6/08 report - the items submitted were pieces of trunk liner and other items from the car. None of the hairs showed decomp.

8/13/08 report - she received items of clothing from ICA.

10/6/08 report - she received items and hairs to inspect, vacuum sweepings from the car. Results showed none of these hairs showed decomp.

10/15/08 report - she received a single item. Results showed no hairs with decomp.

10/21/08 report - she received additional hair. Results showed no hairs with decomp.

11/6/08 report - she received additional hairs found in the trash bag and paper towels from the vehicle. Results showed no hairs with decomp.

6/25/09 report - regarding items found in the car, Q 319-337, results showed no hairs with decomp.

Even after she requested additional hairs after the original submission - and receiving multiple additional hairs, there were no additional hairs found associated with the car with signs of decomp. Only Q-12. Relative to this one hair she cannot absolutely say death is the reason for the characteristics.

JB conferring with DS.

No standards in identifying root banding. It's visual. It is one person's opinion. This conclusion in this case was verified by someone else in her unit.

On 7/31 she did a comparison to ICA sample.

Post mortem root banding should be in the root portion of the hair. In this hair, the banding is slightly above the root. Did not show Jury a photo of this hair.

JA objects.

Sidebar
 
Witness not liking JB implying she is less than honest in her presentation
 

JB w/Ms. Lowe.....

she agrees with the limitations of hair...

Mito dna -
neuclear dna -

reason you cannot testify and will not testify that one hair came from one individual ...a critisicm --limitation of the science...suggested doing accompanying dna exams.

this is the very first time you have testified as an expert witness for hair banding - not an expert in hair......microscopic comparison ....not expert in physiology ....6 month training course with a portion on this topic...some on job training and 4 articles referenced.....don't know what causes death band....studies shown in papers as early as within hours after death......not everyone deceased has post-mortem root band.....in cases worked before known examples were from deceased individual.....don't know how often .....case work in deceased individuals.....testimony given based on handful studies and training and experience......seeing those characteristics present in cases over 13 years....

JB - study on specfic number of variables - certain scenarios....unless that area is studied extensively cant say with accuracy..

Lowe - characteristics are present...post-mortem root band - not replicated in other conditions limited number of studies and in casework not seen that in cases without decomp....other cases were all associated with someone deceased.....this is first case that I had not confirm from deceased.....asked for more hairs from vacuum in the trunk look for additional hairs with characteristic of decomp......if we found more hairs the number would increase confirmation

JB you had doubts? NO! make case stronger? NO!
Not doubts - wanted stronger case? Your ...in this case was for no reason whatsoever? (object!)

next time you got some hairs? (refer to notes)

JB actually here...start with first report....

multiple hairs given for first report...12 items submitted from vehicle...some hairs....different characteristics......no allegations multiple people in the trunk of that car....none of the other - 11 of 12 items at least had some hairs.....no other hairs with character of post-mortem decomp.....

did another hair study ...8/6/ report - trunk items from vehicle....none of the hairs in those had evidence of decomp..

8/13 report - given multiple items of clothing of kc.....(object-sustained)....
did another report on 10/6/08 - multiple items/hairs to inspect - additional items and vacuum sweepings coming from vehicle...none of the hairs on these items show decomp

10/15/08 another report - single item examined - no hairs with apparent decomp
10/21/08 -another exam - hair examined - no hairs with decomp were found

11/6/08 more items - more hairs found found trash bag and paper towels came from vehcle of kc, no hairs w/characteristics of apparent decomp were found.....

6/25/2009 report - address items found in car - pg 7 report
of those hairs Q319-337....no hairs with char. of decomp found....

other hairs found - no hairs w/apparent decomp

after request of 8/1/2008 to make case stronger - numerous items submitted after - a large number of the items had hairs couldn't make case stronger because no other hairs (object- sustained)

were than other hairs showed apparent decomp - none other than associated with remains....nothing more from the car except Q12 - one hair can't say absolutely .....

JB to DS - refer to notes

JB - there are no standards identify post-mortem hair band .....
visual confirmed by another examiner.....no error rates for identifcation of this banding.... on 8/1/08 or couple days before when inspected this hair? July 31 and compare from known sample from kc on 8/1/08.....post mortem root band is supposed to be in the root.....in the root portion.....hair we taking about today band slightly above root....
picture of Q-12 - reason banding is a little higher.....(object - Sidebar)




 
uh she doesn't decide what evidence is entered in or what is shown to the jury JB
 
Mr. Ashton has heard enough - asking for a sidebar. Mr. Ashton has made an excellent effort in controlling his emotions during this questionable questioning...
 
I'm just curious. Is it possible that Casey was made to sign an agreement stipulating that Baez does not have the background to handle a case of this magnitude so that she cannot appeal the case due to inadequate counsel (if she is convicted, of course)?
 
JB is trying to confuse the jurors imo

Sidebar

(the key word is "band", higher or lower it's still a "band") mo
 
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