2016.05.17 Batch 6 Discovery Docs ***GRAPHIC Content***

[leebee52]

Yes AmazonRain I completely noticed MS's cell phone saying 'T & M Sievers' -------- he was completely Mr. TS, completely glommed on her life. The texts about how he was her biggest fan when she did her taping and how he says she was best looking at some casino - - - really creepy. MS is classic worst of worst domestic abusers. Wasnt the insur $4.6MM ?? Double indemnity would be $9.2MM.

Hearing MS's mom on the stand and on those phone calls I feel real sure shes glad that MS is locked up and away from her. I could tell that is to me I felt that MS's mom knows fully well that MS is the mastermind murderer and she knows her boy is locked away permanently - - - she knows.

 

[WannaBeSleuth16]

MS is classic worst of worst domestic abusers. Wasnt the insur $4.6MM ?? Double indemnity would be $9.2 MM

But this was not double indemnity. Double indemnity is paid out in the event of an accident and this WAS NOT an accident.
MOO

 

[DexterMorgan]

Yes. We all can see that MS clearly used TS phones for sending or receiving or texting certain things.

She even asked if he was forwarding things to her phone.

So the Prosecution should get the judge to throw out 99% of the calls or texts unless it deals with the murder.

Just the facts. Thats all.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Some people said that you can back date things on the cloud. But the entry date will still show. So hopefully this is correct.

Now Mark may have overplayed his hand.

Because the Irs send bills and notices repetitively.

So no snacks for the kiddies note to self.

But no I need to pay the IRS note to self?

But since Curtis is telling on Mark. Then I'm sure he will state how Mark hired him to put certain spy software on the computers and her phone. Jmo.

Btw. Mark even stated he tracked her movements and knew the phone was still home on the morning of her murder.

And this was also supposedly why he needed someone to check on the home.

 

[IQuestion]

Yes AmazonRain I completely noticed MS's cell phone saying 'T & M Sievers' -------- he was completely Mr. TS, completely glommed on her life. The texts about how he was her biggest fan when she did her taping and how he says she was best looking at some casino - - - really creepy. MS is classic worst of worst domestic abusers. Wasnt the insur $4.6MM ?? Double indemnity would be $9.2MM.

Hearing MS's mom on the stand and on those phone calls I feel real sure shes glad that MS is locked up and away from her. I could tell that is to me I felt that MS's mom knows fully well that MS is the mastermind murderer and she knows her boy is locked away permanently - - - she knows.

Hey LeeBee52 She might be reading your comments! Mark and his attorneys don't want her to know everything until she has exhausted all of her funds. Just because she hands over her lifetime savings for Mark's legal issues, the attorneys are under NO OBLIGATION to keep her informed. Sad, but true. "Changing horses in midstream" Then again, hard to muster up much sympathy for her less than honorable and forthright responses in the DCF hearings. With her last breath, she will continue to be the messenger of his spiteful rage and be a detriment to those young girls and Teresa's family. She'll ruin every birthday, graduation, Thanksgiving, recital etc....with those BS lamenting words, "I only wish your father was here to see this." (I have the perfect reply, but I don't want to get banned 'til Christmas.)

 

[IQuestion]

I applaud you guys who are able to read the texts things AND connect them with the diary dates. I've tried on and off for the past day and night and I just don't have the patience. It's not the content, it's the basic physical issue of poor eyesight and fuzzy text I SO miss my perfect eagle eyes! :maddening: :banghead: Target Optical glasses just aren't doing it for me. Each eye is different and the 'progressive lenses' suck.

I wish I could send you guys some cookies or something, but I can't. What I can do is eat a piece of Double Cream Lemon Pie on your (you all) behalf! :skip:

FelicityLemon, Gosh golly...with all your vision issues, you'd really take on the task of eating Double Cream Lemon Pie for us too?? What a trooper!! I don't think it would be too bold of me to state that, I and many other sleuths are deeply humbled by your "double cream" sacrifice. :bowdown:

 

[SaucyGal]

Thank you, Amazon Rain! Your post about 3 cell phones helped clarify some of the texts that were confusing the heck out of me!

On Bates #37579 date 5/13/2014 it seemed that MS was sick and TS was asking him if it was from detox. Does anyone know what he may have been detoxing from? I am asking since I may have missed something along the way. TIA

 

[1&2&3]

I am surprised that CWW is seldom mentioned in these documents. MS truly kept their conversations on what phone? Amazon Rain mentioned she knew of three phones, MS and TS each had one (I would presume that is the one where both names show up at top of screen?), and then there was a work phone. So where are the daily conversations with CWW?

 

[Dmacky]

I am surprised that CWW is seldom mentioned in these documents. MS truly kept their conversations on what phone? Amazon Rain mentioned she knew of three phones, MS and TS each had one (I would presume that is the one where both names show up at top of screen?), and then there was a work phone. So where are the daily conversations with CWW?

In my opinion, for what it's worth :twocents: is they have not been released for a reason. We know from reports that these two texted daily for years, and I don't think we'll see them for awhile. If you noticed, everything CWW has said is always redacted.

 

[human]

I have people on my FB that make up their lives. I know them and see them in real life so I know the truth. Yet on FB it is a totally different story. And one would not recognize some of these people in real life because somehow they make their pictures look good. Like losing 50 pounds. How can that be done?

Anyway, MS has made up a life, I feel .Some of it based on truth and then spun.

I cannot believe that TS did not know about the IRS. We owed them money one time and had to set up a payment plan. They don't wait around patiently for you to decide how you are going to live your life without paying them. Nope.

 

[msboo]

Yes AmazonRain I completely noticed MS's cell phone saying 'T & M Sievers' -------- he was completely Mr. TS, completely glommed on her life. The texts about how he was her biggest fan when she did her taping and how he says she was best looking at some casino - - - really creepy. MS is classic worst of worst domestic abusers. Wasnt the insur $4.6MM ?? Double indemnity would be $9.2MM.

Hearing MS's mom on the stand and on those phone calls I feel real sure shes glad that MS is locked up and away from her. I could tell that is to me I felt that MS's mom knows fully well that MS is the mastermind murderer and she knows her boy is locked away permanently - - - she knows.

Agree, leebee52.... early on when word was out about the alarm being off (later that MS told her to leave it off) & the fact how BS was caring for their pets.... big red flag for me (although waiting for more info). Only BS knows what's in her own head but JMO, BS had her own big red flag, from the get-go, that MS was involved. Remember, these 2 are sickly connected---they have lived their lifetimes of daily interaction with each other under this ingrained/embedded behavior. This is naturally how they live, this IS their life. Lots of people are codependent in more minor-moderate degrees. These two are codependent to a critically major degree. Add to that, MS total mental state = dangerous. I feel like many here, that BS is glad MS is locked up. BUT she still can't & won't stop her own behavior---you must wonder what her husband, MS dad, was like to live with OR possibly her father....JMO. NOTE: BS husband & father---I know nothing about them but typically we all learn behavior from a parent OR if a spouse is abusive in controlling, etc ways.

Hey LeeBee52 She might be reading your comments! Mark and his attorneys don't want her to know everything until she has exhausted all of her funds. Just because she hands over her lifetime savings for Mark's legal issues, the attorneys are under NO OBLIGATION to keep her informed. Sad, but true. "Changing horses in midstream" Then again, hard to muster up much sympathy for her less than honorable and forthright responses in the DCF hearings. With her last breath, she will continue to be the messenger of his spiteful rage and be a detriment to those young girls and Teresa's family. She'll ruin every birthday, graduation, Thanksgiving, recital etc....with those BS lamenting words, "I only wish your father was here to see this." (I have the perfect reply, but I don't want to get banned 'til Christmas.)

Agree.... "with her last breath". This is a big bad truth. Above all the many victims---the KIDS are the MAIN FOCUS. The effects are vast. I feel very strong (due to personal reasons that are no where near to this murder of a mother), controlling behavior reeks confusion in children's daily lives who then grow up to havoc in their adult daily lives---unless treated thru therapy AND making daily living life changes.

May seem harsh for me to say BUT---these kids should have no more exposure to their 'sperm donor' father AND limited, strictly supervised IF ANY exposure to BS. Their ingrained behavior is not MAGs' responsibility to handle, it is daunting! At her age, she's been left with the task of rearing these kids, there's a lot to do for them & go thru herself---handling BSs' behavior & it's effects should not be part of MAGs' task AS IT (BS behavior) WILL BE ONGOING. The kids love their father--it will hurt now to move them up north (when/if legally possible) for a more normal daily life/upbringing VS hurt later after the years of effects growing up exposed to the coupled behaviors of BS & MS (from behind bars & 'the WHY') topped off with WHEN these kids realize what their father did & how AND yes they will find out all the other disgusting things he did (phone texts, etc). Children can better recover & move on under the right circumstances VS more difficult recovery as adults AFTER dealing with years of exposure to others sick behavior. JMO... it will be like their lives as children was some sort of horrible lie IF they continue as they are currently. Just sayin. Prayers for all of TS family.

 

[msboo]

I am surprised that CWW is seldom mentioned in these documents. MS truly kept their conversations on what phone? Amazon Rain mentioned she knew of three phones, MS and TS each had one (I would presume that is the one where both names show up at top of screen?), and then there was a work phone. So where are the daily conversations with CWW?

In an earlier doc dump, where evidence was listed as recovered from the raid on CWWs' trailer & storage, there were several cell phones seized by LE. Not sure how many JR had but think just one???

 

[FelicityLemon]

Questions regarding texting:

I see what looks like incomplete conversations and don't know if it's because information is completely missing (not even partially redacted like we see) I see comments that are obviously in response to specific questions and the way they're worded it's like it's an immediate and direct response to another text (that I can't see) rather than a text response to a phone conversation. I'm not talking about where there is obviously redacted text immediately above or below the remark in question. I mean there is absolutely no correlation or connection to anything surrounding some of them. I get making random texts, but so many of these are referring to specific things and they're definitely not random - they're either asking or answering questions. There are also chunks of time missing between some texts. I cross-check with a calendar (not his) to see if it could be weekends or times they're in the same place and don't need to text each other, but most don't make sense.


Also: Bates 37433 shows child either writing text or speaking to text on adult phone, if left alone it would be natural for child to be curious and scroll through adult phone.

ANOTHER perfect example of MS' inflated self (now he's a doctor) in one he slips and uses "we"

TS
Again we discussed this I would have a conversation with her regarding issues and what happened with her husband and what is our typical
protocol.

MS
Actually what we discussed this morning was you didn't want to discharge until her STAT potassium got addressed & Then you said in this
particular case we would discharge both ... If you want to wait until her appointment next week, so you can discuss things with her directly
that would be fine. I iust need to l<now

 

[FelicityLemon]

I have people on my FB that make up their lives. I know them and see them in real life so I know the truth. Yet on FB it is a totally different story. And one would not recognize some of these people in real life because somehow they make their pictures look good. Like losing 50 pounds. How can that be done?

Anyway, MS has made up a life, I feel .Some of it based on truth and then spun.

I cannot believe that TS did not know about the IRS. We owed them money one time and had to set up a payment plan. They don't wait around patiently for you to decide how you are going to live your life without paying them. Nope.

She DID know, but she only found out about it a couple of months before MS murdered her. That was information from either AL or AR.

It's believable that she wasn't aware of while it happened because she trusted that her *cough* devoted, loving husband - who was in charge of such things - was doing the right thing. A lot of spouses are trusting (or naive) that way, not me. If you go back to early threads here, she was becoming aware of a lot of things that year. Many of us believe that as his embezzlement (that is what it is) among his other activities were coming to light is when she began pulling away and that's what sped up the murder plan. I say 'sped up' because I firmly believe he had her murder in mind as soon as he raised the life insurance on her and continued to make the payments. The life insurance on him was not anywhere near her level. And, yes, I am aware that the breadwinner generally has a higher amount, BUT, the loss of either partner can create a financial hardship on the remaining spouse. $4.3 was over the top - heaven forbid he try to live an average lifestyle or within his meager means. Why on earth would he not put the same value on himself - didn't TS and his girls deserve to have that kind of windfall if he died? He wanted to live a large life if she died, but he had no problem with knowing she'd have to continue working if he died? :notgood:

I don't wonder if that he'd gotten away with this, he would have married again and bought another large life insurance policy on a new wife.

IMO, he'd been dreaming of the murder plan for years, but solidified it when discovered more and more about him and she started becoming her own person.
IMO, his plan became reality when he first discussed it with CWW at CWW's wedding and progressed when bought the burner phones and devised that childish "super secret code" for communicating.

 

[msboo]

Maybe he meant how many times someone said "o"? Because counting is something one does during fabulous sex. Right?

Yeah, right. Like "O", who does that during sex?! Or even right after. Like texting & driving. Not good.

Reminds me of a Peter Sellers movie---Inspector Clouseau in a (what he perceived) sexy silk men's robe, ready & waiting for his lover when he got to close to a small metal room fan. The metal sound, when he almost castrates himself AND his quick jump back..... like "O", not good.

 

[human]

When did they start on the life insurance?

When did he plan to kill her? Day I or did he amble along until he saw it would be easier without her?

 

[msboo]

FelicityLemon, AMEN to your post today, 5/22/16 @ 03:51 PM (saving space vs using quote). MS had 'someday' in mind then 'someday' became urgent as things were falling apart. Juggling TS awareness (& her maybe calling it quits) with how much longer could he pay all their immediate living expenses AND insurance policy payments---bouncing $$ around for all that, with the IRS looming. That's industrial strength pressure when you add his already established, all-important calendar keeping.

 

[Dmacky]

She DID know, but she only found out about it a couple of months before MS murdered her. That was information from either AL or AR.

It's believable that she wasn't aware of while it happened because she trusted that her *cough* devoted, loving husband - who was in charge of such things - was doing the right thing. A lot of spouses are trusting (or naive) that way, not me. If you go back to early threads here, she was becoming aware of a lot of things that year. Many of us believe that as his embezzlement (that is what it is) among his other activities were coming to light is when she began pulling away and that's what sped up the murder plan. I say 'sped up' because I firmly believe he had her murder in mind as soon as he raised the life insurance on her and continued to make the payments. The life insurance on him was not anywhere near her level. And, yes, I am aware that the breadwinner generally has a higher amount, BUT, the loss of either partner can create a financial hardship on the remaining spouse. $4.3 was over the top - heaven forbid he try to live an average lifestyle or within his meager means. Why on earth would he not put the same value on himself - didn't TS and his girls deserve to have that kind of windfall if he died? He wanted to live a large life if she died, but he had no problem with knowing she'd have to continue working if he died? :notgood:

I don't wonder if that he'd gotten away with this, he would have married again and bought another large life insurance policy on a new wife.

IMO, he'd been dreaming of the murder plan for years, but solidified it when discovered more and more about him and she started becoming her own person.
IMO, his plan became reality when he first discussed it with CWW at CWW's wedding and progressed when bought the burner phones and devised that childish "super secret code" for communicating.

And get this, his MOMMY is the beneficiary on the life insurance policy he has on himself!
Not his wife, and NOT EVEN the children that he claims to love so much. I mean come on! What are the odds she'll outlive him anyway? SMH

 

[msboo]

Dmacky.... per your post today, 5/22/16 @ 06:24 PM. Here's your sign as Blue Collar comedian, Bill Engvall says. Where's the focus.... all on MS, himself. This IS how he operates---I don't even want to use the word function.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

But this was not double indemnity. Double indemnity is paid out in the event of an accident and this WAS NOT an accident.
MOO

Murder qualifies for double indemnity.

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