3-28-19 SWAT team with guns drawn raids Arizona home for toddler w/fever

[angelainwi]

SWAT team with guns drawn raids Arizona home for toddler with fever


Questions raised after Chandler police break door to check on feverish toddler

 

[Breezie]

Shocking video shows Arizona police officers forcibly removing a two-year-old boy from his home | Daily Mail Online

Daily Mail coverage of incident

 

[Breezie]

Arizona police officers forcibly removed 2-year-old boy with fever from home, video shows

Beck's attorney, Nicholas Boca, said in a statement to ABC News that he believes the use of force by authorities was excessive and "should be reserved for violent criminals, not a house filled with young, sleeping children."

"The removal of Sarah Beck’s Children by busting in her door with guns drawn in the middle of the night was clearly unnecessary and well beyond 'reasonable force,'" the statement read.

Boca described Beck as a "loving and attentive" mother who has always cared for her children "appropriately."

 

[Breezie]

KNXV report: SWAT Team called to retrieve sick 2-year-old | Michael Berry | NewsRadio 740 KTRH


After the parents of a sick 2-year-old child refused a doctor's recommendation late last month that they take their unvaccinated son to the emergency room for treatment for the boy's 105 degree fever, he reportedly sicced a police swat team on them via the Arizona Department of Child Safety.


From the interview with the parents:
They did not have $2500 to take their son to the ER after his fever broke and he was doing better.


Question: Would the same thing have happened if he had been vaccinated?

 

[Penny Parker]

I think it's scary that police can enter someone's home, evidently prepared to use deadly force, and take the children away. Over a fever.

 

[scmom]

Seems like a sticky wicket. What if the child had died? Would the authorities have been blamed for taking no action? Now they're being blamed for taking action to protect the child. A no-win situation if you ask me.

 

[PrairieWind]

It is an unfortunate situation. I just hate that we seem to be at a point where law enforcement's "go to" method for everything is SWAT.

 

[Simply Southern]

The police initially ask to see the child, when the parents refused, RED FLAG, they obtained a warrant. At anytime the parents could have produced the child for a wellness check. What did they have to hide???

Working 45 years in healthcare, IMHO, I think the physician had reasons to report this. The physician was so concerned he called the ER for follow up. I suspect he tried a follow up contact with the parents, and they did not respond. They did not follow the physicians orders. This is a 2 yo. with a 105 temp, which can and often results in seizures and things can turn deadly, quick.
Healthcare, law enforcement, teachers, etc are mandated reporters. Everyone made the right call, IMHO.

 

[LadyL]

Arizona police officers forcibly removed 2-year-old boy with fever from home, video shows

Beck's attorney, Nicholas Boca, said in a statement to ABC News that he believes the use of force by authorities was excessive and "should be reserved for violent criminals, not a house filled with young, sleeping children."

"The removal of Sarah Beck’s Children by busting in her door with guns drawn in the middle of the night was clearly unnecessary and well beyond 'reasonable force,'" the statement read.

Boca described Beck as a "loving and attentive" mother who has always cared for her children "appropriately."

[bbm]

well that's blatantly not true ... she ignored a doctor's advice when her child was in peril

 

[katydid23]

KNXV report: SWAT Team called to retrieve sick 2-year-old | Michael Berry | NewsRadio 740 KTRH


After the parents of a sick 2-year-old child refused a doctor's recommendation late last month that they take their unvaccinated son to the emergency room for treatment for the boy's 105 degree fever, he reportedly sicced a police swat team on them via the Arizona Department of Child Safety.


From the interview with the parents:
They did not have $2500 to take their son to the ER after his fever broke and he was doing better.


Question: Would the same thing have happened if he had been vaccinated?

They needed 2500 bucks to go to the ER?

I have never heard of that high a charge for a sick child check up

Why go to the ER though. Aren’t there any clinics or urgent cares ?

 

[Breezie]

Seems like a sticky wicket. What if the child had died? Would the authorities have been blamed for taking no action? Now they're being blamed for taking action to protect the child. A no-win situation if you ask me.

So, what happens if this is seen as acceptable? Fevers are fairly common. The mom called the doctor, after the appointment, because the fever had gone down. Was the doctor more cautious because he was unvaccinated?

If this is seen as acceptable, will some parents, especially anti-vaxxers, be less likely to go to the doctor?

 

[katydid23]

I think it's scary that police can enter someone's home, evidently prepared to use deadly force, and take the children away. Over a fever.

105 is a very high fever. That could be deadly for a small child.

And since the child is unvaccinated , other children and adults are in danger of catching whatever might be causing the fever

The cops weren’t there to shoot anyone

They just wanted to take the child to medical intervention

 

[Breezie]

They needed 2500 bucks to go to the ER?

I have never heard of that high a charge for a sick child check up

Why go to the ER though. Aren’t there any clinics or urgent cares ?

My guess is they thought he might be kept at the hospital overnight which might cost that much.

 

[Breezie]

The police initially ask to see the child, when the parents refused, RED FLAG, they obtained a warrant. At anytime the parents could have produced the child for a wellness check. What did they have to hide???

Working 45 years in healthcare, IMHO, I think the physician had reasons to report this. The physician was so concerned he called the ER for follow up. I suspect he tried a follow up contact with the parents, and they did not respond. They did not follow the physicians orders. This is a 2 yo. with a 105 temp, which can and often results in seizures and things can turn deadly, quick.
Healthcare, law enforcement, teachers, etc are mandated reporters. Everyone made the right call, IMHO.

The parents have said that they did call the doctor back to say the fever had broken and was going down.

 

[Simply Southern]

It is an unfortunate situation. I just hate that we seem to be at a point where law enforcement's "go to" method for everything is SWAT.

I agree, the parents should of, could of, opened the door and shown the child the FIRST time the police arrived. They could have opened the door when the SWAT team arrived. The parents made that choice to have SWAT kick in the door.

As, for the 2500. ER visit. Why were the kids uninsured???? Why did they not have Medicaid????
All hospitals have indigent care programs for the uninsured usually waving all fees

Everyday, we read about abused children that die at the hands of parental abuse. Their is more to this story....

 

[Inthedetails]

I agree, the parents should of, could of, opened the door and shown the child the FIRST time the police arrived. They could have opened the door when the SWAT team arrived. The parents made that choice to have SWAT kick in the door.

As, for the 2500. ER visit. Why were the kids uninsured???? Why did they not have Medicaid????
All hospitals have indigent care programs for the uninsured usually waving all fees

Everyday, we read about abused children that die at the hands of parental abuse. Their is more this story....

If the fever went down, why would the parents still need to go to the ER?

When the SWAT team got ahold of the child, was the child still sick?

jmo

 

[Simply Southern]

The parents have said that they did call the doctor back to say the fever had broken and was going down.

They could have taken the child back to the physician for a follow up to confirm the fever was down.

IMO, I think there are more flags we are unaware of.
Due to HIPPA, the police nor medical staff with be able to release all the medical information.

 

[Simply Southern]

If the fever went down, why would the parents still need to go to the ER?

When the SWAT team got ahold of the child, was the child still sick?


jmo[/QUOTE

We may not know the condition when SWAT arrived due to HIPPA. They did note the police heard the child coughing on the first visit, when the father refused to open the door. I feel sure they told him, hey we'll be back with a warrant.

This could have been simple.... The police show up, dad says hey, he's asleep and the temp is down. The police could have done a quick look see and been on their merry way.

Now, the parents have hired lawyer, which will cost more that the ER visit and will sue the police. JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

They could have taken the child back to the physician for a follow up to confirm the fever was down.

IMO, I think there are more flags we are unaware of.
Due to HIPPA, the police nor medical staff with be able to release all the medical information.

Why go to the doc to confirm a fever went down? It doesn't take a medical degree to read a thermometer, and it is a task most parents are capable of doing.

I am not seeing why a SWAT team in the middle of the night was necessary. Unless there is some other info that we don't know yet.

jmo

 

[Simply Southern]

Why go to the doc to confirm a fever went down? It doesn't take a medical degree to read a thermometer, and it is a task most parents are capable of doing.

I am not seeing why a SWAT team in the middle of the night was necessary. Unless there is some other info that we don't know yet.

jmo

I agree, I think we do not have all the facts.

I set a 16 yo girl up with medical equipment in the home. The home was beautiful, the family "had money", and were very concerned for their daughter's healthcare. I "felt" something was wrong in my first visit. I couldn't shake the feeling I had in my gut. In future home visits, the parents appeared more nervous, and never left the child alone. Finally, on the fourth visit, the child slipped me a note, " my father is abusing me, please help me". I knew it, it was in my gut the moment I stepped in the house. I drove to the police station and I immediately reported. He had abused her from age 6. Sometimes, you just know.