4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 74

[SpanishInquisition]

This is the return filed with the court by the FBI of what they took. Those items should have then been turned over to the prosecution in Idaho. If the Prosecutor does indeed consider these relevant and evidence, the DA will then have to provide the defense a detailed explanation of the items and provide access to them. If the items are not deemed relevant, they will be released back to BK's family. We will not likely be privy to any of that.

I'd hope the details on the list are more or less complete (short of testing) or else they'd be subject to chain of custody challenges. Specifically for instance I don't think item #1 is a KaBar knife or else it would have said that, but instead is a generic unbranded knife. If the prosecutors said that was a KaBar knife without getting BK's dad to sign they took a KaBar knife from his home, it could be tossed from the evidence if his father said they only took an unbranded knife for the #1 item.

 

[Nila Aella]

Hard to say. It looks small and thin, maybe a pouch that some may call a purse / wallet and others may call a 'card glove' I suppose if it's the sort of thing that doesn't have anything other than cards in it, ie no cash, no keys or photos or bits n bobs that us old fashioned types stuff our purses with

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MOO

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[isabella88]

Well he can't do a worse job of it than Alex Murdaugh just did. I do think he will want to take the stand though, he seems to think he is capable of out smarting the system

Truth! I think BK may think he can outsmart the game. Murdaugh should be a cautionary tale for BK. But then again, Murdaugh ignored those tales himself.

One thing BK will not have that Murdaugh had is a trial in an area/community where he is known. He's a stranger in a strange land in Idaho and that's an obstacle I don't see him overcoming with his winning personality. JMO.

 

[I'm Nobody]

Thank you @Observe_dont_Absorb and @Nila Aella
I am so embarrassed I did not know that's what that "glove" meant. ugh.

 

[NyxNY]

One of the listed seized items - "Note from Bryan from Montana" (BBM) - I think that phrase differentiates between two people named "Bryan" - one being Bryan Kohberger, and the other being someone else, also named "Bryan" who is "from Montana".

YES! That makes the most sense IMO. Significant enough for them to take. Maybe someone that responded to his Reddit survey that he continued to correspond with? Hmm

 

[U.N. Known]

Anybody else wondering why there is no wallet listed in evidence lists? First I thought maybe it's a young people thing; my daughter told me abut 10 years ago to ditch my purse because it "dated" me. People don't use cash much, but to keep ID cards in a glove seems odd to me. So I went back to the IN police stop. It looks like BK takes something out of his back pants pocket when the cop asks for his driver's license. Fast forward to minute 1:45, cop moves his arm away from window, there it is -- BK's wallet in his lap. Hummmmmm?

OK, going to get my purse and run errands. jmo

Interesting. I guess they weren't interested in his license and insurance card. Honestly, I'm not sure why they are interested in half of the items they seized.

 

[Gemmie]

The way I read that is it was a letter from (someone in) Montana. IMO.

I agree with you that the Montana part is a place, not a person. "Note from Bryan from Montana"

If the note is from Brian, I'd think the other 'from' would be a place, not a person. Otherwise, if 2 people wrote a note (usually multiple people don't write a single note IMO), then I'd think it would say "Note from Bryan AND Montana".

So you you have your 'who' and your 'where'. Although I'm surprised it doesn't mention who the note was to that Bryan appears to have written in Montana, like they did with this piece of evidence: "Note to Dad from Bryan". It's sure an odd way to list it, whatever it is. One is clear (the note to dad) and the other isn't clear. Who cares about where it was written, who was it written TO? lol

 

[Cool Cats]

One of the listed seized items - "Note from Bryan from Montana" (BBM) - I think that phrase differentiates between two people named "Bryan" - one being Bryan Kohberger, and the other being someone else, also named "Bryan" who is "from Montana".

Interesting.

Or, Bryan was in Montana and sent some type of note when he was there.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

"Item photographed but not taken" This one has me. Why not taken? Too large/heavy? Affixed somehow? It is a loooong list of items taken, so why not this one?

Good question. Those are possibilities that make sense. I'm guessing it was something like that -- furniture or a safe or some built in hiding place (under floorboards, that kind of thing) that was the property of his parents and he used to store things he wanted to keep hidden. So it was encountered during the search, but wasn't an item to be collected and/or was parental property, not BK's. JMO

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

I agree with you that the Montana part is a place, not a person. "Note from Bryan from Montana"

If the note is from Brian, I'd think the other 'from' would be a place, not a person. Otherwise, if 2 people wrote a note (usually multiple people don't write a single note IMO), then I'd think it would say "Note from Bryan AND Montana".

So you you have your 'who' and your 'where'. Although I'm surprised it doesn't mention who the note was to that Bryan appears to have written in Montana, like they did with this piece of evidence: "Note to Dad from Bryan". It's sure an odd way to list it, whatever it is. One is clear (the note to dad) and the other isn't clear. Who cares about where it was written, who was it written TO? lol

I agree.

If he was in MT, it’s kinda chilling to again be reminded how much time he spent driving for the short time he was here. I wonder if he visited Missoula, another wonderful college town?

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

Interesting.

Or, Bryan was in Montana and sent some type of note when he was there.

I looked and couldn't find any mention of Bryan in Montana. It is a 9.5 hour trip from Moscow to Montana. Anyone else know if and when he was there? Maybe it was earlier in his life? Since this was his parents home searched, some of the items collected could be from years ago.

MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think it was more a process of elimination. The ‘colored heating oil’ theory was definitely disproved—since the house didn’t even use heating oil.

And the ‘rust or anything else that appears over time’ theory seems to have been disproved by a photo two weeks before, at Halloween, that shows an un-marked wall.

But as far as I know, we don’t have any proof. Maybe once the gag order is done with?

Also the fact that it was established the 'blood' (not verified) was running down from the wall of the room that X and E were in, with I believe, one of them being located in the doorway of that room and the other inside nearer to the rear wall

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I agree.

If he was in MT, it’s kinda chilling to again be reminded how much time he spent driving for the short time he was here. I wonder if he visited Missoula, another wonderful college town?

MOO

If I lived in that area, a trip to Yellowstone would be an absolute must for me! Probably more than one in a 6-month period.

I know it's the totality of evidence, but separated, much of what's come out I find perfectly normal (shovel in the car, possible trip to MT, black clothing and black face mask, etc, etc).

IOW, I don't see an obvious smoking gun in what's been seized. I'll be curious to see how all these things evolve into evidence down the road.

MOO.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

I looked and couldn't find any mention of Bryan in Montana. It is a 9.5 hour trip from Moscow to Montana. Anyone else know if and when he was there? Maybe it was earlier in his life? Since this was his parents home searched, some of the items collected could be from years ago.

MOO

I make it from Moscow to Missoula, MT in (well) under four hours in good weather.

MOO

 

[Gemmie]

I looked and couldn't find any mention of Bryan in Montana. It is a 9.5 hour trip from Moscow to Montana. Anyone else know if and when he was there? Maybe it was earlier in his life? Since this was his parents home searched, some of the items collected could be from years ago.

MOO

I don't think he was in Montana on the road trip with his dad (someone prove me wrong if that's incorrect! TY!). Although I suppose he could have gone at some other time. This linked MSM and map from that site is saying about their cross-country trip:

"documents show his car triggered a license plate reader in Loma (CO) on Dec. 13. The route takes the father-and-son duo about 15 hours out of the way.".

the initial hours of the duo's journey would have been treacherous had they taken the most direct route — with whiteout conditions that covered parts of the Northern Plains and Upper Midwest in feet of snow.

"A southern route would put a traveler closer to the system’s warm zone and further away from the effects of wintry impacts," Wulfeck said.

The detour south, according to criminal profiler and psychotherapist John Kelly, is among the least suspicious of Kohberger’s actions following the murders.




So if he took the southern route, why did Bryan write a note "from Montana"?

Inside Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's unusually long route home to Pennsylvania

A look inside the long detour in Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's indirect route home to his parents' house in Pennsylvania's Poconos Mountains.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Is Montana a person or state in this instance? Without breaking rules, do we know of someone named Montana? JMHO

Good question. The way it is worded seems like shorthand, so it's hard to decipher, IMO. Using "from" twice (Note from Bryan from Montana), seems like a reference to a place, like "Greetings From Montana".

So I think it's a note BK wrote from when he was in the state of Montana. Assuming he passed through there on one of his trips driving to/from ID & PA, wrote a note when he was there and kept it, or sent it to his parents who kept it and he retrieved it when he was home (but it doesn't say "To Mom &/or Dad" so who knows?).

I haven't heard of any people with this name connected to this case, but, coincidentally do know someone with the first name Montana, so you never know. The shorthand (and handwriting) of the person who recorded the items is not easy to interpret, IMO.

 

[Nila Aella]

One of the listed seized items - "Note from Bryan from Montana" (BBM) - I think that phrase differentiates between two people named "Bryan" - one being Bryan Kohberger, and the other being someone else, also named "Bryan" who is "from Montana".

Excellent! Maybe he has a relative in Montana whose name is also Bryan.

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

I make it from Moscow to Missoula, MT in (well) under four hours in good weather.

MOO

I just used google maps to the center of Montana, not knowing exactly where in Montana Bryan was. Some of the parks are 6 hours away. JMO

 

[Sundog]

dbm

I don't think he was in Montana on the road trip with his dad (someone prove me wrong if that's incorrect! TY!). Although I suppose he could have gone at some other time. This linked MSM and map from that site is saying about their cross-country trip:

"documents show his car triggered a license plate reader in Loma (CO) on Dec. 13. The route takes the father-and-son duo about 15 hours out of the way.".

the initial hours of the duo's journey would have been treacherous had they taken the most direct route — with whiteout conditions that covered parts of the Northern Plains and Upper Midwest in feet of snow.

"A southern route would put a traveler closer to the system’s warm zone and further away from the effects of wintry impacts," Wulfeck said.

The detour south, according to criminal profiler and psychotherapist John Kelly, is among the least suspicious of Kohberger’s actions following the murders.


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So if he took the southern route, why did Bryan write a note "from Montana"?

Inside Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's unusually long route home to Pennsylvania

A look inside the long detour in Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's indirect route home to his parents' house in Pennsylvania's Poconos Mountains.

www.foxnews.com

Maybe the note was written by BK in late June when he travelled from PA to Pullman to start the doctoral program at WSU. He likely would have driven through Montana at that time.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

If I lived in that area, a trip to Yellowstone would be an absolute must for me! Probably more than one in a 6-month period.

I know it's the totality of evidence, but separated, much of what's come out I find perfectly normal (shovel in the car, possible trip to MT, black clothing and black face mask, etc, etc).

IOW, I don't see an obvious smoking gun in what's been seized. I'll be curious to see how all these things evolve into evidence down the road.

MOO.

My personal fav was the hiking boot suspicion. I’m a person who hates shoes in general & specifically while making road trips, so my boots are always in my car Shovel & kitty litter get loaded before the first snow along with all the other winter flotsam & jetsam.

Based on info officially released, I’m pretty convinced BCK did a lot more driving exploration than a usual new-to-the-area grad student IME & MOO. No smoking gun — I agree — but interesting to me nonetheless.