4 years later, what do we think of the case / verdict now?

Discussion in 'Caylee Anthony 2 years old' started by Mrs G Norris, May 31, 2015.

  1. RANCH

    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall

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    I see some post's saying that some predicted the not guilty verdict or understand why the jury voted not guilty.

    Do any of these people feel that the verdict was correct? That the jury was justified in voting not guilty. Or do they just feel they understand why the jury did what they did?

    Personally, I don't understand why the jury voted the way they did. They were wrong in my opinion. No reasonable doubt that I can see. Only some doubt. That's not enough to acquit.

    JMO.
     


  2. Mrs G Norris

    Mrs G Norris Well-Known Member

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    In Scotland they have the option 'Not Proven' for a jury to acquit, that would be the right verdict IMO, the state failed to prove their case IMO.
     
  3. wfgodot

    wfgodot Former Member

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    The jury was correct in finding that the state had not met the burden of proof; therefore, they found the defendant not guilty based on the prosecution's failure to establish guilt through the process of evidentiary law.
     
  4. RANCH

    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall

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    That would work if this case was tried in Scotland but I do get your point. I'm just not sure why this jury felt that the State didn't prove it's case.

    The State didn't have to show how Caylee died to get a conviction. But Baez made the jury (and others) feel that they did.


    JMO.
     
  5. Mrs G Norris

    Mrs G Norris Well-Known Member

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  6. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Let's put it this way. I have no doubt Casey is guilty of at least 2nd degree murder. I understand why the jury came out with the verdict of not guilty for reasons already posted.

    I was hoping for a guilty but saw the not guilty coming.
     
  7. Intermezzo

    Intermezzo Well-Known Member

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    I agree.


    The Jury could have found her guilty of other charges..Such as

    Jury Instructions in the Casey Anthony Trial
    http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/04/jury-instructions-in-the-casey-anthony-trial/


    AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD

    § 782.07, Fla. Stat.

    To prove the crime of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

    1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.

    2. Casey Marie Anthony’s act(s) caused the death of Caylee Marie Anthony.

    OR

    The death of Caylee Marie Anthony was caused by the culpable negligence of Casey Marie Anthony.

    MANSLAUGHTER

    § 782.07, Fla. Stat.

    To prove the crime of Manslaughter, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

    1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.

    2. (a) Casey Marie Anthony’s act(s) caused the death of Caylee Marie Anthony.

    OR

    (b) The death of Caylee Marie Anthony was caused by the culpable negligence of Casey Marie Anthony.
     
  8. Intermezzo

    Intermezzo Well-Known Member

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    I have often wondered how different the case may have been if SA Lamar did not seek Murder 1 with the Death Penalty
     
  9. Mrs G Norris

    Mrs G Norris Well-Known Member

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    I have too, do you think they were hoping she'd cave in and give them some kind of confession or plead out? I wonder if the DP was there as some kind of leverage.
     
  10. Intermezzo

    Intermezzo Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I part of me does think SA Lamar thought she would do either...I wonder if he listened to and watched Universal tapes and the Jail house videos

    She could have been charged with lesser offences but Lamar decided with Capital Murder..putting the DP on the table changed how this case and trial was going to be played out.

    By charging her with capital murder on October 14 2008 put forth the possibility of the Death penalty
    On Dec 5 2008 Lamar said the State would not seek the DP
    Dec 11 2008 Caylee's body is found
    April 14 2009 State reverses it's decision and declares it will seek the DP
     
  11. Justiceseeker35

    Justiceseeker35 Active Member

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    If that fooproof suffocation search had been used as evidence. It may have gone another way.
    In my opinion too much time was spent on chloroform and the 31 days (and they do still boggle the mind). More focus on the day of death. What I'd like to know is were the families movements and cell phone records typical of any every day life in the family? A flurry of calls at 4 pm? Did she normally flurry call her mom then when CA was close to getting off work (I'd stake money that she normally called her manipulatees namely her mother at that time to secure child care so she can "work") What was the most important evidence of the case was her actions, movements and state of mind on the 16th and days leading up to the 16th, and of course the state of the remains. Chloroform confused the jury and unfortunately no defined cause of death. But supposedly the jury never saw the duct tape placement pictures on the skull which was crazy but what.. it was too prejudical? So much absurdity in the idea that George found her drowned in the morning then went off to work at 2:30 like nothing happened and KC spent the day on the phone, laptop and home computer, texting and chatting and posting on my space then skipped off to block buster with TL like nothing happened. No real human in this world does that. A death of a loved child will elicit some kind of reponse other than a shrug off. I can't believe the jury found that the case.
     
  12. iluvmua

    iluvmua Well-Known Member

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    IMO, I think that if the State would have taken off the death penalty and charged her with 2nd degree murder I think she might have been found guilty.

    Everybody and their dog knows Casey killed her daughter. There was more than enough evidence to convict. We just got a lazy jury who obviously did not care about the seriousness of all this.

    at the very least, I would have wished there was a mistrial. but ti is over and done. JMo
     
  13. scout35

    scout35 Well-Known Member

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    I was just thinking. Remember when we had the Astrological section on the forum? Did they ever do a chart on what the outcome of a trial would be? If so, did they ever share what they found? I'm just curious if they "predicted" this outcome.
     
  14. wfgodot

    wfgodot Former Member

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    I'm curious if they predicted their own forum's demise.
     
  15. Mrs G Norris

    Mrs G Norris Well-Known Member

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    I believe afterwards, upon review of the charts they saw it had been predicted, but of course nobody could really say that until it had happened of course, and then it became obvious. So yes, they predicted it, after.
     
  16. Curiouser+Curiouser

    Curiouser+Curiouser New Member

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    The message from that, Amanda Knox and the McCann case seems to be lie, distract, distort, shift blame, dissemble and never ever ever admit guilt. About anything. All three scot free.
     
  17. Curiouser+Curiouser

    Curiouser+Curiouser New Member

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    So, hi everyone. I'm new to this case which might mean I have a fresh take on it, or might mean I have no idea what I'm on about :)

    So one of ideas that I've been working on that I can't find anywhere else so far.

    tl:dr Casey took the remains through the back fence to where she, Kio and Jessica used to hang out in the woods together after school.

    What if Casey had Caylee's remains in the trunk of the Sunbird. On the 18th she checks to see if anyone if home and finds it's all clear. She backs into the garage and thinks about hiding the evidence. She takes a laundry bag to the trunk and puts the bigger of the two bags in. God it smells bad. She puts it by Caylee's playhouse on the grass. Should she put it in there? No, it smells too much. Mom will find it. She's looked at a couple parks and boggy areas but she's not certain about those options. She doesn't know them well and she'll feel more comfortable somewhere familiar. She remembers how she and Kio used to go into the woods after school to their to hang out in their secret spot. That's a good place. No-one knows it's there these days except as a place to dump trash and, even better, she can get down there via the old route out the back fence and behind the row of houses. She goes to check out the back fence. Yep, the loose board is still there but the bamboo has grown over and she can't get through. Damn. The shed is locked so she goes next door and borrows Brian's shovel. She cuts back the bamboo slips through the opening with the evidence, triple bagged now in a bag from the laundry to protect her clothes. She struts down beside the lake, into the trees, along the little used path and along the back fences to where people dump their unwanted things. She slings the bag into the swampy water, turns and never looks back.

    Based on:

    The laundry is in the garage. If the remains were disgusting, as they must have been after three days in the enclosed heat, she could have grabbed a laundry bag from right there to wrap and conceal and distance herself from the ugliness.

    The cadaverine is found lightly near the playhouse. Perhaps the child was placed there for only a short time.

    Tracy McLaughlan says that in her presence Casey *and* Ciindy talked about Casey using the shovel to cut back the bamboo.

    The shovel was clean and had no trace evidence on it when it was returned to Brian Burner so it's unlikely it was used for digging or carrying.

    On August 12th Kiomarie Cruz reports to Detective Wells that she, Jessica and Casey used to head out to the woods together after school. Kio says "me and Casey (...) would come back out here and we'd just talk for hours and hours" and "there's two different spots back there where we used to hangout at". Detective Wells asks her "When you heard about the shovel...Did you think something might've happened where we... Is that what brought us out here to this favorite spot?" She replies, "It did cause things started to click in my head and all I could think about was the shovel... First of all there's tons and tons of shading. Not a lot of people know about this spot...and most of the kids don't come down here now because I guess they have the fences...we were pretty much the only ones that knew about it for years". She doesn't expressly say that they went the back way, but for some reason that's the impression I got hearing the interview.

    Killers tend to leave their bodies somewhere familiar.

    It took less than two minutes to walk to the dump site via road so using the back way it may have taken a bit longer but she had the benefit of cover for half the walk. Even in the unlikely event someone did see her she could just be going for a walk with a bag. She could have managed the dumping easily in one of the 30 minute gaps in activity.

    What do you think?
     
  18. chefmom

    chefmom Seriously! Ancient Aliens!

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    Four years later, and I still think she is guilty. Ask me again in 20 more years. My answer will be the same. I may have it inscribed on my tombstone. "Here lies Chefmom. Loving wife and mother. Casey Anthony is guilty of murdering her child. Never forget."
     
  19. heidisams

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    Thanks for posting this Curiouser, I agree the location of her remains was familiar, convenient, and when you consider fca's laziness and impulsiveness, as well as Kio's statement, it's not surprising fca ultimately chose that spot for disposal. That should've been one of the first areas thoroughly searched and cleared by law enforcement.... I've always assumed that because Caylee was found at the start of the woodline on Suburban, in the very first spot where a car could pull over, and so close to the road, that fca hastily pulled her car off and just tossed her remains into the woods, in the first acceptable spot. A few years back my daughter and I drove the route, and that's what really struck me, it's literally the very first patch of trees/hiding place she'd come across as she left her house... I think it was when the smell overwhelmed her, and her previous plans to bury her had failed, that she drove her down and dumped her on the side of the road. And went on her way... Seems to match fca's nature, using the least amount of thought, effort, or time possible toward someone other than herself....

    We had a poster (I believe it was logicalgirl) who did an experiment, using trash bags and adding Caylee's approximate weight, etc, and concluded she would've been very difficult to carry/move, as it was all bulk weight. So, I imagine it would've been harder than it seems for fca to have carried her a great distance, and difficult to make it appear natural, especially with leaky bags. Of course, it's possible. I do think fca started out with the idea of doing something with that shovel in regards to Caylee's disposal, but it turned out to be more work than she thought. And she tends to avoid anything that inconveniences her in any way...

    All jmo.
     
  20. Curiouser+Curiouser

    Curiouser+Curiouser New Member

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    You're probably right. I'm overcomplicating. I've never been to the area and that experiment is pretty compelling and she was "over three foot". I'd forgotten how big that would make her to carry. How horrible to just sling your child away. Thanks for replying :)
     

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