A New Look at Intruder Theories

Thanks SD.

"Wecht says none of this explains evidence of previous sexual abuse on JonBenet's body."

What evidence is that?? His interpretation of autopsy photos? Dr. Meyer, who actually DID attend JBR, had NOTHING to say about previous sexual abuse.

Well, that's not entirely true, is it? Det. Arndt was interviewed a while back. She was with Dr. Meyer that day. He told her, "not all of her injuries appeared recent," referring to her vaginal injuries. Not only that, but Meyer brought in a specialist named Dr. Sirotnak just for that reason. In 2001, he and Richard Krugman, one of the panel of pediatric experts, co-authored a treatise on child abuse, sexual and otherwise, using JonBenet as their "patient zero." Pretty much tells you where he came down on it, doesn't it?

"Cyril Wecht entered the case via a phone call from a supermarket tabloid, the Globe. "

No surprise there.

I know all that. But he was hardly the only one.

"Wecht was not involved in the criminal investigation of the Ramsey murder but he reviewed all the evidence and eventually wrote a book about the case."

No way, I can't believe THAT.

That he reviewed all the evidence? Well, I know he had contact with members of the investigation, or at least he said he did. I don't know.

Did Dr. Meyer write a book? Anyway, I think Dr. Wecht is probably going to stick to his 'story' until the cows literally come home.[/QUOTE]

Meyer wrote no book that I know of. But he's in several books. And you're probably right about Wecht. But then, you and I are just the laymen. He's the forensic expert/lawyer. Kind of a six-to-one, half-dozen-to-the-other propostition, isn't it?

You asked, I delivered. Never said you had to agree with it.
 
Well, that's not entirely true, is it? Det. Arndt was interviewed a while back. She was with Dr. Meyer that day. He told her, "not all of her injuries appeared recent," referring to her vaginal injuries. Not only that, but Meyer brought in a specialist named Dr. Sirotnak just for that reason. In 2001, he and Richard Krugman, one of the panel of pediatric experts, co-authored a treatise on child abuse, sexual and otherwise, using JonBenet as their "patient zero." Pretty much tells you where he came down on it, doesn't it?

"...not all of her injuries appeared recent"

does NOT mean:

JBR WAS being chronically sexually abused EVEN BEFORE the night she was murdered

What it DOES mean:

"...not all of her injuries APPEARED recent"
 
"...not all of her injuries appeared recent"

does NOT mean:

JBR WAS being chronically sexually abused EVEN BEFORE the night she was murdered

What it DOES mean:

"...not all of her injuries APPEARED recent"

I think the universal translator is on the fritz. What else could it mean?
 
I think the universal translator is on the fritz. What else could it mean?

What else could what mean? Its as if we all know specifically which injuries were from that night and which were not. You don't know, I don't know.

I wouldn't even consider the possiblity of prior chronic abuse unless people involved in the investigation, who actually attended JBR, supported it. And guess what, they don't. I certainly wouldn't simply take the word of a third party tabloid hire, or a hundred armchair experts, and run with it as if it were fact, thats for sure.
 
What else could what mean? Its as if we all know specifically which injuries were from that night and which were not. You don't know, I don't know.

Okay, I can work with that. There is a way to tell which is which, to hear John McCann tell it. But that might be better suited for a new thread.

I wouldn't even consider the possiblity of prior chronic abuse unless people involved in the investigation, who actually attended JBR, supported it.

There is in fact such a person. I mentioned him earlier.

I certainly wouldn't simply take the word of a third party tabloid hire, and run with it as if it were fact, thats for sure.

Well, that's your right. Heck, I don't take it as gospel. You asked me to provide links. You never said I had to be in lockstep with them.
 
There is in fact such a person. I mentioned him earlier.

There is a person who actually attended JBR and concluded she had been chronically sexually abused prior to the night she was murdered?

Mention him again please.
 
There is a person who actually attended JBR and concluded she had been chronically sexually abused prior to the night she was murdered?

Mention him again please.

No problem. His name is Dr. Andrew Sirotnak from Denver. In 2001, he and another pediatric expert, Dr. Richard Krugman, authored a medical article on the dangers of undiagnosed child abuse. Guess who they used as their "patient zero..." JBR. No BS.
 
No problem. His name is Dr. Andrew Sirotnak from Denver. In 2001, he and another pediatric expert, Dr. Richard Krugman, authored a medical article on the dangers of undiagnosed child abuse. Guess who they used as their "patient zero..." JBR. No BS.

When did they attend JBR? At the autopsy?
 
Not all of Coroner Meyer's autopsy report was made public- his notes were not. Arndt has said that Meyer specifically mentions the vaginal findings were indicative of sexual abuse.

As far as the Mega-Wealthy Foreign Fat Cat Socialist Kidnapper/Murderer(s)...
If they were THAT wealthy and wanted a blue-eyed, blonde 6-year old sexpot child bride, why didn't they just BUY one? Pretty easy to do in some countries if you have the money and know where to go. They didn't need to come to Colorado to get (and then kill) JBR. Oh, I forgot- they killed her because her eyes were really green and she wasn't a real blonde!
 
Uh, yes. Sirotnak worked with Meyer at the autopsy. Whatever that does for you.

Krugman did not. He was one of the experts the police talked to later.

Thanks for the info.

I looked but did not find anywhere that Sirotnak stated that there was abuse to JBR prior to the night of the sexual assault and murder. I can easily find where he/they found injuries from that night though.

Maybe you could help by showing where he stated he believed JBR had previously been abused. It doesn't seem that is so readily available for some reason. Maybe he never said that was so.

Good luck, and I'll take you seriously, because he was apparently with Meyer for part of the autopsy. Until then, I think I'm OK with my scenario that does not explain any sexual abuse taking place before the night of the murder, because according to Meyer and Beuf there wasn't any. LE tried to corroborate familial abuse, but came up empty. LE stopped persuing that aspect of the case a long time ago. I think it was the correct choice, don't you? Given the lack of consensus by the main group of people that were actually involved in the investigation.
 
Not all of Coroner Meyer's autopsy report was made public- his notes were not. Arndt has said that Meyer specifically mentions the vaginal findings were indicative of sexual abuse.

As far as the Mega-Wealthy Foreign Fat Cat Socialist Kidnapper/Murderer(s)...
If they were THAT wealthy and wanted a blue-eyed, blonde 6-year old sexpot child bride, why didn't they just BUY one? Pretty easy to do in some countries if you have the money and know where to go. They didn't need to come to Colorado to get (and then kill) JBR. Oh, I forgot- they killed her because her eyes were really green and she wasn't a real blonde!

I changed my mind somewhat on that one, she screamed and the kidnappers figured the whole town heard so they killed her and ran. I do think the perp was after a blond haired blue eyed American girl, but I don't think thats why they killed her at that moment.
 
This is Van Zandt seeing a socialistic reference in the note, that most RDI mistakenly take for a religious reference, even though the note is packed with political stuff, zero religion. VanZandt was correct to note that the closing salutation Victory! is a political, socialistic reference and not religious.

HI HOTYH.

Very interesting SFF DI theory.

acronyms and acronymes: Suppose this is old hat to you but....

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/SBTC

AcronymDefinitionSBTCMinistry of Small Business, Tourism, and Culture (Canada)SBTCSaved By the CrossSBTCSeattle Bicycle Touring Club (Seattle, Washington)SBTCShall Be The ConquerorSBTCSkill-Biased Technical ChangeSBTCSkill-Biased Technological ChangeSBTCSmall Business Technology CoalitionSBTCSolid Bare Tinned Copper (grounding connections)SBTCSouthern Baptist of Texas ConventionSBTCStream-Based Trace Compression
 
Thanks for the info.

I looked but did not find anywhere that Sirotnak stated that there was abuse to JBR prior to the night of the sexual assault and murder. I can easily find where he/they found injuries from that night though.
Maybe you could help by showing where he stated he believed JBR had previously been abused. It doesn't seem that is so readily available for some reason. Maybe he never said that was so.

This is what I was talking about:

http://www.cyc-net.org/today2001/today011224.html He co-authored it with Dr. Krugman, one of the most adamant on findings of prior abuse, if that tells you anything.

Good luck, and I'll take you seriously, because he was apparently with Meyer for part of the autopsy.

I'm much obliged to you.

Until then, I think I'm OK with my scenario that does not explain any sexual abuse taking place before the night of the murder, because according to Meyer and Beuf there wasn't any.

Meyer never said there wasn't any. He used the words "chronic" and "erosion," which is pretty clear to a lot of people. As for Beuf, he admits himself he never performed an internal examination and he hadn't seen her since October, I think.

LE tried to corroborate familial abuse, but came up empty. LE stopped persuing that aspect of the case a long time ago.

Empty? We'll have to disagree on that one, but in a quibbling way. I think it's helpful to remember that even if it were clear (to me it is, but that's just my $.02), it doesn't necessarily follow that JR or BR or JAR or Grandpa P was the one doing it. That factored into LE's decision. Also, the physical findings indicate a physical abuse, but not necessarily for sexual gratification. Dr. Krugman pointed that out. Confused yet? Yeah, so was I.

I think it was the correct choice, don't you?

No, I don't, but probably not for the reasons you think I don't.

Given the lack of consensus by the main group of people that were actually involved in the investigation.[/QUOTE]

Well, actually there were eight pathologists who were very specifically involved in the investigation who, independently of each other, reached the conclusion that I have. Wecht wasn't one of them, but they are on my list. That would take more explaining (and leave both of us with a bad taste in our mouths, I think).
 
Tadpole, we've all been over that one six ways from Sunday.

(My opinion?

Sexy

Beautiful

Talented

Caring

Don't hold me to anything!)
 
I changed my mind somewhat on that one, she screamed and the kidnappers figured the whole town heard so they killed her and ran. I do think the perp was after a blond haired blue eyed American girl, but I don't think thats why they killed her at that moment.

Holdon, why didn't they just run when she screamed, why waste time grabbing an object to strike her in the head with?? Wouldn't it have been alot quicker just to have jumped up and ran as fast as they could out of the house?? Wouldn't she have screamed even louder, if she saw them coming at her with some big, honkin' flashlight raised, or whatever they used?
 
http://en.hades-presse.com/ackr/SBTC

SBTCSpeed Brake/Thrust Controller


http://www.thesbtc.com/

The Staffordshire Bull Terrier Club

I still believe that it meant Saved By The Cross. I am from the south, just like Patsy...and that phrase....along with "What would Jesus do", was very common here with Christians, back then. You could even by bracelets or necklaces with those initials on it....S.B.T.C., or W.W.J.D. I believe that she had used it, or said it so much...that it was the only initials that she could think of. If they weren't church going people, who claimed to be Christians...then I would think otherwise, that the SBTC meant something else. If John was dictating the note to her, then it also could have meant Subic Bay Training Center...which John was a part of. If Patsy wrote it all by her little self, it ...imo...came from Saved By The Cross.
 
Socialism Better Than Capitalism?

Just kidding, I don't think thats it.

Its like an endorsement or an acknowledgement, because its at the very end, I think.
 

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