AK, NY Israel Keyes - Who are all of his victims???

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  1. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    GGE -
    digndoodle really got my brain working the other day. I had totally discounted the idea that he could be a hired killer UNTIL I started viewing that video with all the 'extra' information in it. It hit me (like a flounder to the face) that he did have two very distinct patterns to these trips, and if you look at your linear timeline you will see that the multi-city/multi-day/long driving distance trips didn't begin until 4/24/07. Previous to that they were short, one city in-and-out without a great deal of lead in. Some would be a week, some only 2-3 days. Something to think about. If he were doing hits and got hooked and started his own hunting in '07 (IIRC about the time he broke up with mother of his child) the early jobs are not going to be things you will find listed in newspapers.
     


  2. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    Anyone know what his honorable discharge was for?
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120319031452/http://keyesconstruction.net/work_history

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_discharge
    Did he complete his term of service or was he discharged for other reasons? Anyone know?
     
  3. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    ITA GGE. I have to see info in different ways. This is my attempt. Perhaps you will see something......

    12/98 – 7/01
    Washington, Texas, Egypt
    Alpha Company 60mm mortar section
    Participates in Mortar Training and Evaluation program
    Awarded an Army Achievement Medal for meritorious service
    Honorable discharge

    11/13/02
    John Keyes dies in route to CA from Maine

    10/5/04 - 10/16/04
    Eastern U.S.
    11 days
    No known rental

    Seattle WA to Manchester NH on 10/6/4, returns 10/16 from Manchester.

    4/20/05 - 4/25/05
    Washington to British Columbia.
    5 days


    10/3/5 - 10/31/05
    Los Angeles to Belize
    28 days
    No known rental

    Departs Belize.

    3/11/06
    Lincoln Park Run (Port Angeles)

    4/8/06
    Robin Hill Run (Sequim) 10k/5k

    5/6/06
    Sequim Run Off 10k/5k

    5/10/06 - 5/15/06
    Western U.S.
    5 days
    No known rental

    Portland OR to San Diego, CA 5/10/6, leaves 5/15/6 from San Diego.

    6/11/06
    North Olympic Discovery Marathon and Half Marathon

    9/1/06 - 9/7/06
    Alaska
    6 days
    No known rental

    Seattle WA to Anchorage AK 9/1/6, leaves Anchorage 9/7/6.

    10/21/06 - 10/23/06
    Western U.S., Mexico
    2 days
    No known rental

    Seattle, WA to San Diego, CA 10/21/6, walks across border into San Ysidro, Mexico on 10/22/6, leaves San Diego on 10/23/6.

    11/8/06 - 11/16/06
    Alaska
    8 days
    No known rental

    Seattle, WA to Anchorage AK 11/8/6, leaves Anchorage on 11/13/6.

    2/5/07 - 2/8/07
    Southwest U.S.
    3 days
    No known rental

    Seattle WA to Las Vegas, NV 2/5/7, leaves Las Vegas on 2/8/7.

    3/1/07 - 3/9/07
    Washington, Canada
    8 days

    (drove to Alaska)

    4/24/07 - 5/4/07
    Western U.S., Mexico
    10 days
    1 rental - 1,444 miles

    Anchorage to Oakland CA 4/24/7, leaves Oakland 5/4/7.

    8/26/07 - 9/6/07
    Western U.S.
    11 days
    2 rentals - ?? miles

    Anchorage to Seattle 8/26/7. Rents vehicle in Seattle. Mileage unknown. Rents vehicle in Salt Lake City. Mileage unknown. Flies from SLC to Seattle 9/6/7. Continues to Anchorage.

    10/29/07 - 11/2/07
    Western U.S.
    5 days
    1 rental - 95 miles

    Anchorage to LA 10/29/7, leaves LA 11/2/7.

    11/12/07 - 11/13/07
    Western U.S.
    1 day


    4/12/07 - 12/17/07
    Midwest and Western U.S.
    8 months and 5 days
    1 rental - 537 miles

    Anchorage to Indianapolis 12/4/7, leaves Indianapolis 12/16/7. Rents vehicle, drives 537 miles.

    5/11/08 - 5/17/08
    Western U.S.
    16 days


    1/28/08 - 2/15/08
    Southern U.S. and Western U.S.
    18 days
    2 rentals – 1843 total miles

    Anchorage to DFW 1/28/8, continues to Mobile, AL. Rents vehicle, drives 691 miles. Leaves Mobile 2/6/8, returning only to Seattle, WA. Rents vehicle in Seattle 2/6/8 and drives 1,152 miles. Leaves Seattle for Anchorage 2/15/8.

    5/11/08 - 5/17/08
    Western U.S
    6 days

    .
    7/3/08 - 7/7/08
    Western U.S.
    4 days
    1 rental – ?? miles

    Anchorage to SLC 7/3/8, leaves SLC 7/7/8. Rents vehicle, mileage unknown.

    9/16/08 - 9/24/08:
    Western U.S.
    8 days
    1 rental – 991 miles

    Anchorage to LA and rents vehicle 9/6/8, drives 991 miles. Leaves LA 9/19/8.

    10/24/08 - 11/5/08
    Southwest U.S., Midwest U.S. and Western U.S.
    12 days
    1 rental – 626 miles

    Anchorage to Seattle 10/24/8. Seattle to Minneapolis 10/25/8. Minneapolis to Grand Forks, ND 10/25/8. No known rental car. Phoenix to SF 10/30/8. SF to Seattle 10/31/8. Rents vehicle, drives 626 miles. Seattle to Boston 11/2/8. Boston to Seattle between 11/2 and 11/5/8. Seattle to Anchorage 11/5/8.

    12/5/08 - 12/7/08
    Hawaii
    2 days
    No known rental

    Anchorage to Honolulu 12/5/8, leaves Honolulu 12/7/8. No known rental vehicle.

    12/11/08 - 12/25/08
    Mexico
    14 days
    1 rental – ? miles

    Anchorage to Cancun 12/11/8, leaves Cancun 12/25/8. Rents vehicle, mileage unknown.

    2/23/09 - 2/27/09
    Western U.S.
    4 days
    No known rental

    Anchorage to Burbank, CA 2/23/9, leaves Burbank 2/27/9. No known rental vehicle.

    4/1/09 - 4/14/09
    Eastern U.S., Western U.S.
    13 days
    1 rental – 1,047 miles

    Tupper Lake bank robbery 4/10/09
    Anchorage to Seattle 4/1/9. Rents vehicle, drives 637 miles. Seattle to Manchester, NH 4/7/9. Rents vehicle, drives 1,047 miles. Robs bank in Tupper Lake, NY 4/10/9. Leaves Manchester, NH on 4/14/9.

    6/1/09
    Anchorage, AK
    Purchases Spurr Ln. home with girlfriend. Gains custody of daughter during this period.

    9/11/09 - 10/03/09
    Southern U.S.
    24 days


    12/17/09 - 12/29/09
    Southern U.S.
    12 days
    No known rental

    Anchorage to Orlando, FL 12/17/9. Leaves Orlando 12/29/9. No known rental.

    1/11/10 - 2/25/10
    Western U.S.
    45 days


    3/1/10 - 3/10/10
    Western U.S.
    9 days


    4/24/10 - 4/30/10
    Western U.S.
    6 days


    5/ 9/10
    Medina, Ohio
    Dennis Vern Kunkel gets foreclosure notice.

    4 or 5/?/10
    Medina, Ohio
    Dennis cashes in gold for $11,000.

    5/16/10
    Ohio
    Dennis goes to mother’s house to help with fallen stepfather.

    5/ 17/10
    Ohio
    Dennis’s father last sees him. Says he calls or comes by every day.

    5/ 18/10
    Medina, Ohio
    Dennis Vern Kunkel last seen at 4:00 in Medina, OH after taking nap at brother David’s home.

    5/19/10 - 7/18/10
    Midwest U.S. and Western U.S.
    61 days


    5/ 19/10
    Akron, Ohio
    Dennis Kunkel is supposed to meet mother and stepfather to help move family boat. Never showed up. Voicemail and mailbox was full on his business phone when mother tried to call.

    5/ 22/10
    Akron, Ohio
    Dennis Kunkel’s 2001 Chevy pickup is found abandoned but locked at Subway at 5105 Manchester, Akron OH. No bank activity since last seen.

    6/9/2010
    Alaska
    Keyes obtained an Alaska fishing license June 9, 2010.

    7/18/10 - 7/22/10
    Southwest U.S.
    4 days
    2 rentals – 625 miles

    Anchorage to Seattle 7/7/10. Rents vehicle, drives 393 miles. Seattle to Sacramento, CA 7/9/10, rents vehicle, drives 232 miles. Leaves Sacramento for Anchorage 7/12/10. Anchorage to Las Vegas 7/20/10, leaves Las Vegas 7/22/10. No known rental.

    10/15/10 - 10/25/10
    Boston, Eastern US
    10 days
    1 rental –? miles

    Anchorage to Chicago 10/15/10. Continues to Boston 10/15/10. Leaves Boston 10/25/10. Rents a vehicle. Mileage unknown.

    11/5/10
    Stacyville, Maine
    Body found off Route 11 about a mile in the woods by deer hunters in Stacyville Maine. Body was badly decomposed and thought to have died sometime in September 2010.

    4/23/11 – 4/25/11
    Anchorage to Juneau
    2 days
    1 rental – ? miles

    4/23/11, leaves Juneau 4/25/11. Rents vehicle, mileage unknown.

    6/2/11 - 6/16/11
    Midwest U.S., Eastern U.S.
    14 days
    1 rental - ?? mileage

    Kidnaps and kills Bill & Lorraine Currier
    Anchorage to Chicago 6/2/11. Rents vehicle from Hertz in Chicago on 6/2/11, drives to Indiana to visit family for “several days”. Visits property in Constable, NY to test silencer and drives to Essex, VT to kidnap and kill Bill and Lorraine Currier at 8 Colbert St, Essex Junction VT on 6/9/11. Plans to use their vehicle to rob three banks. Drives to Maine, stops in NH to burn the Curriers belongings. Returns to Chicago between 6/9/11 and 6/15/11 via Essex Jct. Chicago to San Fran on 6/15/11. San Fran to Anchorage on 6/16/11.

    9/15/11 - 9/25/11
    Western U.S.
    10 days


    2/2/12 - 2/18/12
    Southern U.S.
    16 days
    1 rental – 2,847 miles

    Anchorage to Houston 2/2/12. Rents vehicle, drives 2,847 miles. Robs bank in Azle, TX 2/16/12. Burns down home in Aledo, TX. Leaves Houston 2/17/12.

    3/11/12
    Grand Prairie, TX
    AK and HK double wedding

    3/6/12 - 3/13/12
    Southwestern and Southern U.S.
    7 days
    1 rental - ? miles

    Anchorage to LV 3/6/12. Rents car in LV 3/6. Drives to Lufkin, TX, arrested in Lufkin 3/13/12.

    Sources:
    http://www.fbi.gov/anchorage/press-...he-publics-assistance-concerning-israel-keyes

    Combined with further information from the video at this link:
    http://www.alaskapublic.org/2013/05...ts-lack-of-national-missing-persons-database/

    Additional information came from the interviews here:
    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/artic...ael-keyes-listen-his-interviews-investigators
     
  4. liz b.

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    I had wondered about the very brief flights he made.Wondered if he was hired to do a hit or two...would explain him having so much disposable $$$ jmo
     
  5. GGE

    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    Well, he robbed banks too, and you usually make a good buck doing that. ;)

    But lemme see, yeah he fulfilled the term of his service, two full years. Began 7/9/1998 and ended 7/8/2000.
     
  6. GGE

    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    Just taking these one thing at a time here, shorter posts first. Working my way to your longer timeline post.

    I haven't watched this video.. in fact i've never seen or heard him on video, I always just read. I need to do that I guess. So, if it's not too inconvenient to point me to the link to the video you're referring to, that sounds like a good place to start. thanks!
     
  7. GGE

    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    SBM for length reasons - can I please add in the information that you have and I don't to my timeline and map? I didn't know the exact date of IK's father's death for example so I deleted the entry from my finished timeline posted here along with several of my other notes like that, because all I had was "2002" for that one. But now that you gave me the whole date to work with, I'd like to add it in. :)

    Will comment again once I look over the whole thing in a few minutes here..

    PS - thank you for adding the timeline to your signature, that's neat. I think I want to copy your idea and put it in mine, too, so I can find it in the future more easily!
     
  8. GGE

    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    Call me crazy but first thing I see is that he went to BC on 420 (4/20/2005)... 420 is a pot smoker "holiday" - they usually have a big pro-marijuana rally up there on 4/20 each year, possibly do a "smoke in" IIRC (and I may not, it's been a very long time since I had friends who talked about this stuff around me).

    So as soon as I saw that I thought to myself "what a burnout"... unless he was dealing.

    But it's probably just a coinkydink as my mother would've said.

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    Second thing that hits me as I read your timeline, Lucky1 - walking across the border into Mexico. Once when I was under 18, probably about 16, I had a boyfriend whose older sister and her boyfriend lived in an adjoining state. One weekend he asked if I wanted to go down and visit them for the day and come back later and I agreed, but when we got to the state line the person driving the car told me I had to get out and walk across the state line because I was under 18 and hadn't told my mom where I was going and he said he didn't want to get in trouble later, if she got mad and called police or something, for transporting a minor across state lines. I was incredulous and dumbfounded.... which was good because a second later they all burst out laughing and said just kidding, just wanted to see if you'd get out of the car, then started driving again. The jerks, LOL!

    BUT I tell this story BECAUSE... what if IK was in a car with someone he absolutely positively did not want to be tied to, so he said "look I'm a runner, it's no big deal to me, let me out a couple of miles before the border and I'll walk it and meet up with you on the other side"....

    just a thought
     
  9. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    Doh! I didn't say that correctly. Sorry. I don't know of one of him on video. The one I was talking about was this one:
    http://www.alaskapublic.org/2013/05...ts-lack-of-national-missing-persons-database/
    That is where the difference between his trip 'types' really hit me. Just the way my brain works.

    Audio of him is here:
    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/artic...ael-keyes-listen-his-interviews-investigators

    I think you have seen all of this.....
     
  10. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    Please use any of what I have. I didn't link sources and it would kill me to have to go back and find them all.....

    Thank you for doing the timeline!
     
  11. GGE

    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    Lucky1 - this entry here isn't possible -

    5/1/08 - 1/8/08
    Western U.S.
    8 months and 7 days


    As you can see, you've gone backwards in time but if you try to fix it within your given timeline it also doesn't work. Let me check and see what I have for 5/1/08 and forward and see if I can find the error....

    All I have for that part is this :
    5/11 - 5/17, 2008: FBI Timeline - Western US
    FBI timeline puts Keyes in the Western US from 5/11 - 5/17 2008


    But I see you have that, too.. I think the entry I highlighted is something I just dont' understand right now, I'll let you tell me what I'm not reading right. :)
     
  12. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    Lucky1. Lucky1. My heart is beating so fast I think it's stopped.

    Look what you wrote.

    "Rents vehicle from Hertz in Chicago on 6/2/11, drives to Indiana to visit family for “several days”. "

    Are you serious?? You know this? He went to Indiana? Oh. My. HolyCow.

    So, my first big hit for IK where I knew with my gut and my soul and my entire being that he was a big potential suspect was Lauren Spierer. I put her on my map but took her out of this timeline. Let me copy her entry time frame from my map. Look at this.

    GGE - Bloomington, IN - Lauren Spierer disappeared from here June 3, 2011

    ARE YOU SURE HE WAS IN INDIANA? oh man I'm just basically freaking out.

    Like, I just want you to know that I am halfway between being sick to my stomach and crying right now. I just KNOW that this has to be turned into LE. It has to. I don't know how to do that, if you do then you should do it, or we can both figure it out together or something but... I'm gonna just walk away from teh computer for a minute and calm down. This isn't like me, I'm just spooked like a ghost just whispered something in my ear.
     
  14. GGE

    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    uhhhhhhh You said he stopped in Crawford Notch, NH to burn evidence. You didn't get that from my timeline did you? I mean, my map? Because I was only guessing that the Nat'l Forest in Crawford Notch might be where he burned evidence in NH, I only knew it was in NH in a Nat'l Forest. Did I get Crawford Notch right, do you know?

    My gut is RIGHT ON with this case. It has been all along. I'm just blown away right now, you have no idea.
     
  15. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    Looks like I have to sit down and listen to every interview and take down all the rest of the information I don't have yet. Thanks for the links!

    edit - I see in the text summary under one of them it says he had considered returning to the farmhouse he left the Curriers in so he could burn it down. That makes me think "oh well then when he's burned down houses in the past there must've been bodies in them that he'd used kill kit decomp-hastening-agents on like Drano and whatever on, and with that combined with fire there's been no obvious evidence left."

    He burned down a house in TX and he said he considered taking someone from an ATM area while he was in TX but chickened out because there were too many cops.... I wonder if that's bull, and he really DID take someone..

    I also wonder if any houses burned down anywhere near the time and place Lauren Spierer went missing..
     
  17. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    SEARCHING for it GGE......I KNEW I was screwing myself not listing my links.....in too much of a hurry. :doh:

    Crawford Notch is where we saw him, and I know I saw it somewhere in the media but finding it now is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

    ETA - removed the information to avoid confusion.
     
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    GGE, his 1st known place of using her card was in Alaska, just to be sure she had given him the correct pin number, then I'm assuming shortly after is when he killed her, then on his trip I do not believe it was used or nor has it said it was used on the cruise as of yet, when he went on his trip going to his sister's wedding is where they caught on that maybe someone had kidnapped her and he was using her card, I would have to look the article up, but it was used I know in N. Mexico, Arizona and in Texas, and I believe there was 2 others but all were on his trip to Texas.....and remember that is how he got caught, the last time he used her ATM the security camera caught the back end of his rented white car

    When he wrote the ransom note to her family, it was put on some type of paper like newspaper, he texted them and told them it would be at some Dog Park there, and it was found of course....He did not get access to the money of $30,000.00 from an atm, I'm assuming the money was also taken to a specific location where he ordered them to take it I'm not 100% sure if it was at this park or not...that would require to go back to the 1st and get specific links...Sorry if I mislead you that he got that much from an ATM!!!!......but you can get more from an ATM than that, in the Boca Mall Shootings, Jane Doe was forced to go to ATM and she had to run it through about 3 times to get the maximum amount you are allowed, it was either 500 or 600 one and that is why she was almost sure he would kill her when she got the piece of paper with the last withdrawal stating she had reached her max
     
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    digndoodle New Member

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    Wanting2Help, I was just going back through old posts, WOW, now we know IK robbed a bank in Tupper Lake.....I would put my dollars on the table that IK is responsible for all 3 of these since they were in the same general location and a few months apart!!!...Wow good find
     
  20. gogrannypop

    gogrannypop Call Me Butter, I'm On A Roll

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    Tupper to Canton, NY is about 90 minutes. Very possible, IMHO. I can't post the screen cap, but the disguise, the gun and the proximity makes me wonder. :cow:
     
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