Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #44

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay General Discussion Threads' started by SoSueMe, May 18, 2012.

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  1. Aunty

    Aunty New Member

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    I'm not so sure Davis believes his client is innocent. He's not stupid and I felt like he was showing GBC at the Committal that your side of the story , being innocent, is impossible to defend. I'd say he's pretty sick of all the lies himself.
    I bet he would love to get GBC up on the stand , and could very well advise him to do so. :floorlaugh: Davis might get some full on , narcissistic joy out of watching GBC under cross examination,.... scratching off caterpillars, changing light bulbs, sleeping,vacuuming, texting, making sandwiches,000 call, shaving , bleeding, maxing out CCards, pretending to be bruce etc. His final statement being" I'm just a little bit hurt about being guilty your honour! "
     


  2. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Hey Curious please don't apologise as I said before-above and beyond. I couldn't have even attempted your research. I still say bloody well done! :rocker:
     
  3. Maigret

    Maigret New Member

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    Lol :)
     
  4. Thinking

    Thinking New Member

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    He speaks in the police transcript about S being the only one or the first one up from memory, others still in bed. I agree, if this is a lie and the girls weren't there, they are all in big trouble. What a cruel and horrible burden to place on the girls shoulders for the rest of their lives, if they have been coerced to lie about their whereabouts that night.
     
  5. linette

    linette New Member

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    I think we're starting to get somewhere... things falling into place. Yes I know we don't know yet, but hey, things are beginning to make sense. :)
     
  6. alioop

    alioop Verified Attorney (AU)

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    I would be surprised if there was any confrontations between TM and Allison that night or prior. From what I have read, if true, they were both confrontational to GBC but not to each other.

    It is my gut feeling that had Allison lived to attend the conference, she and TM would have just ignored each other at it regardless of whether Allison knew in advance that she would be there.
     
  7. linette

    linette New Member

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    I can't see them having argued either.

    One reason i thought of as to why TM may have been so tired after the conference is that she was up most of the night worried if Allison would be there. I don't think TM wanted to come face to face with her... remember how we think TM might have been a bit insecure, clingy etc? She was probably worried she'd have to see her the next day.
     
  8. Hbayne

    Hbayne On Time Out

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    True, but I think they would have told someone (the dickies) by now if they weren't home too . I believe they would have told there side to there grandparents and police would be well aware where they were that night , this I'm sure will all come out in the trial .
     
  9. SandyGG

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    I agree. It seems to be that Toni was afraid of being personally confronted by Allison.
     
  10. linette

    linette New Member

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    That's what I think. The girls would surely have told someone by now regardless of all their debriefing. I am also thinking it's a great piece of evidence the police have. Fingers crossed... and toes too. :)
     
  11. SandyGG

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    Toni explains in one of her statements that when G told her that Allison was missing she immediately was worried that she would lose Gerald over it. She saw Allison as her direct competitor in a war for Gerald. She was not secure in her relationship with Gerald. Initially, she thought Allison had run off or similar. She thought that whatever Allison had done, it would pull Gerald back to his wife. She had no idea, until a friend called her, how serious the situation was. How Toni must have feared and hated Allison.
     
  12. linette

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    <modsnip>

    Hopefully the debriefing didn't take over. I'm sure the truth came out whatever it was. :)
     
  13. Phantom's Diana

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    So he must have disposed of her at the creek reasonably quickly ? Within a few hours - so got assistance quickly too one would have to assume ? Hmmm!
     
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    I wish we could fast forward for this case only, but also don't wish to as that would mean missing out on my own beautiful kids growing up over the next year plus. Hopefully that makes sense?
     
  15. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    :truce:
    This type of woman sickens me to the core.
    I don't care if you love someone else's husband, he's taken, get over it & go find a man who has no happy home you can wreck.
    I wonder why TM & her partner really broke up.
     
  16. Strangeworld

    Strangeworld Well-Known Member

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    Thanks so much for doing this Curious - fantastic summary!

    Re the phone call on the 24th, I wonder if this was a personal or professional phone call too. Kid's support during divorce would fit with the Pathways program, if in fact Allison was pursuing this as a job or interest. Or was Allison friends with her as you stated? The lady who has written this ebook is also a child safety officer/dept of communities, so again it could be a personal contact or professional contact - was it related to pathways or her family's life?

    Interesting and I'm very curious...
     
  17. Strangeworld

    Strangeworld Well-Known Member

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    Okay, found something else out but as we can't sleuth this person, I will just say that there could be a connection through the school.....
     
  18. GEANIE

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    I dont have any doubt about planning a murder....he could and would not even with TM on his case......it just happened as so many have said out of anger etc... and I think Allison might have been trying to help solve the problems.....financial with insurance money...but something got out of hand that night....as much as we all love Allison....she was only human and could only take so much....I would have been so angry about so much that went on....and one thing lead to another is my guess.....He killed her.....the rest is what we strive to find out.....I totally believe he killed Allison...one way or another....guilty. I would not blame her for a second to go off at GBC....just a tradgic ending.......:banghead:
     
  19. toe

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    TM states in her statement she met GBC when she listed her home with C21 in either 2005 or 2006. Rather odd not to know for sure what year you listed your home for sale.

    She also claims she and GBC didn't talk about Allison, however she continues her statement describing Allison's depression and the medication she took whilst on an OS trip with GBC, not bad considering they didn't talk about Allison.

    She also states from February 2012 when the relationship was rekindled, she made contact with GBC several times per week, from that we are to assume GBC didn't make contact with her LOL. During this time they agreed not to have an intimate relationship, they may have agreed, but I bet they broke that agreement. LOL

    She also states that in March 2012 Allison was aware GBC intended leaving her to be with TM.

    She said whilst speaking to GBC on the Thursday night the phone cut out, so she called him back. To me her statement appeared to be a deliberate alibi for GBC. Why bother to include he bought sausages for the girls tea, and the children were in the pool, and she heard someone talking in the background?? A little orchestrated to my way of thinking..
     
  20. CaseClosed

    CaseClosed Registered User

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    If I remember correctly, the afternoon that GBC was arrested, almost simultaneously the girls were removed from the school by Court order (Family Court) and taken to a special children's unit of the Police, while they waited for the Dickies to come up from the Gold Coast and pick the girls up to take temporary care of them until their care was decided by the Family Court later. I seriously doubt the girls were interviewed at that point in time ... you can't just interview minors without following certain procedures.

    Also, young children who are growing up in homes were there is domestic violence or a lot of arguing as a regular way of life, are terrified of the abuser and would hide under their pillows rather than coming out of their bedrooms to try and stop the parents fight. I watched a true criminal case on TV, where a young little boy saw through his ajar bedroom door, the father carrying a big sports bag, dragging it down the stairs and putting it in the boot. The boy later described this in a drawing with psychologist, indicating that he knew the bag contained his mother's body. Even knowing this at the time it was happening, he did not leave his room nor did he do anything to stop the father or call for help or anything. He was about 6-7 at the time.

    IMO if the girls were home that night, and they did hear fighting, they would have stayed in their room terrified. Have they told the Dickies what they know, if they witness/heard something? I believe they probably would have and it might be in a statement that we are not aware of.

    All my opinion.
     
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