Amanda Knox New Motivation Report RE: Meredith Kercher Murder #1 *new trial ordered*

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    Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the Meredith Kercher Murder discussion. As you know Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito's convictions were overturned by the court of appeals in Italy. Judge Hellman has released his motivation report, which other sleuthers have tirelessly worked on translating into English.

    http://hellmannreport.wordpress.com/

    Kimster granted permission to reopen this discussion and as we discuss this report and its implications, it is VERY and EXTREMELY important that we adhere to the TOS of this forum. I cannot emphasize this enough because this is a very heated topic, and disrespect for other posters is not tolerated on websleuths.

    Let's all be on our best behavior!:crazy:
     
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    Thank you for making this thread, wasnt_me! :great:

    I was extremely pleased to read certain sections of the Hellmann report which have been translated by IIP, PMF, and the press.

    I think Hellmann has covered all the aspects which we had discussed all last year.

    What had occurred to me, and has been discussed on other forums, is that those who are charging Hellmann with incompetence or corruption or both, are simply shocked to see that his report seems to mirror exactly what all those who had proclaimed Knox's innocence had been saying all along.

    That is, it is the factual truth, when viewed objectively. But the contrary view says he must have been somehow pressured or persuaded to rule as he did.

    In any case, an excellent translation in the works can be found here:

    http://hellmannreport.wordpress.com/
     
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    Yes, this is what I was also amazed about myself. As I read the translated portions, I was like, "That's what we kept saying..." and "Yep, that's exactly what we thought, too..." and "uh-huh, that's exactly logical."

    Some parts, I thought he was making a leap like the Mass report, but still, for other reasons, I agreed with his conclusions.

    I especially enjoyed his reasoning about the TOD, and how he discarded the conjecture that MK was just "playing with her phone."
     
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    Yes.

    And here he upholds the Lone Wolf scenario:

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news...ller-judge-explains-why-amanda-knox-went-free

    Elsewhere (cannot seem to located the articles now) he defended Knox against the cartwheels charges, and upheld Knox and Sollecito's characters, deeming Guede an outsider. This last I believe is fair, and is based on Guede's antecedents, not his race, as some have charged. Hellmann is no racist, I think that is clear.
     
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    What's going on with the book deals? I'd read somewhere Knox had an agent.
     
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    CONTINUE READING @

    http://hellmannreport.wordpress.com...havior-following-the-discovery-of-the-murder/
     
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    She does, and the agent is a prominent one:

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/05/amanda-knox-book-deal-agent-barack-obama/#.TwuIv2-uaNg
     
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    This is aggravating. I can't believe how eager these people are to take it to yet again another level. I'd thought--hoped--that the Kerchers seeing the MOT report in black and white would help them to reasonably see how the first court had errored. I thought seeing in black and white how botched the investigation was would help them see reasonably how the evidence did not point to AK or RS. but Mascara is chomping at the bit to move forward with $$ dancing in his eyes. Mignini, I hope is just plain wrong. He should worry about his own legal troubles.
     
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    Agreed. Unfortunately, Mignini will likely be let off the hook. However, some believe that the attorney general will not file an appeal at all. We will know by end of month. Maresca as you say has his own agenda, which I believe does not serve the Kerchers well, and protracts their grief.
     
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    I guess we just just load this up with articles, since we missed a couple months. Hopefully, everyone will catch on that the thread is back.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/15/amanda-knox-trial-flawed-says-judge?newsfeed=true

    Hellman ridicules attempts to demonise Knox because she bought G-string underwear days after the murder "rather than a more conservative type of underwear", and dismisses investigators' suspicions of Knox after she kissed Sollecito before questioning and turned cartwheels at the police station. Her behaviour, he writes, "was part of a need to find a minimum of normality in the context of a tragic situation".
     
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    Oh, wait. I totally thought his name was Mascara! :floorlaugh:

    I swear I read "Mascara" each and every time I saw his name. I JUST realized, it's Maresca? :floorlaugh:

    I'm SO SO SO bad with names. People think I'm making fun of names, but i'm not. I'm just terrible with them.
     
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    And this is what we always said!
     
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    :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
     
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    I wish I could find that one article where the quoted Hellmann's report on the cartwheels, Knox and Sollecito being of different character than Guede, and Guede's history of knife-wielding and burglary : The last was something I always asserted, and was always shot down on. There was a long article with many quotes from the report and now I cannot find it.:furious:
     
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    And not race, although it has been suggested...

    http://hellmannreport.wordpress.com/contents/reasons-for-the-decision/conclusion/
     
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    http://hellmannreport.wordpress.com/contents/reasons-for-the-decision/conclusion/
     
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    http://articles.businessinsider.com...-and-kercher-raffaele-sollecito#ixzz1j3mA1OoL
     
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