Amanda Knox New Motivation Report RE: Meredith Kercher Murder #1 *new trial ordered*

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  1. Katie-L

    Katie-L New Member

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    The "false lead" wasn't spontaneous.

    It was told by the police to Amanda until Amanda told it to them back.

    Still - there is NO excuse. Police don't put a person in prison or charge them on the basis of word of mouth.

    That's supposed to be a foundation principle in modern justice.

    If there is evidence to hold or incarcerate someone - they are held (until they're either charged or let go). Holding and charging someone without evidence is inexcusable - in ANY country.

    Interrogating someone who's asked for a lawyer (and been denied) - then charging that person for saying what interrogators told her to say....

    ..... no matter how many times I roll that around in my brain - it just makes me furious.

    Seriously - to me - this is the ugliest a justice system can look.
     
  2. molly333

    molly333 New Member

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    It's hard to accept that people would confess to something they weren't involved in because it seems counter intuitive. Why would someone 'hurt themselves' by confessing to something they did not do. But, apparently it happens often enough to be very concerning. There is another case of a young man who confessed to a crime under extreme pressure by the police, and implicated his young friend as an accomplice. It was all videotaped. When you watch the videotape, it's clear the kid does not know what happened and the police are feeding him all the details of the crime. He later tried to exonerate his friend who had been incarcerated for many years on his false testimony. It's very sad.

    Our Founders recognized the dangers inherent here and carefully protected us with the fifth amendment for just this reason--the right not to testify against ourselves. We are very blessed.

    nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,--the 5th amendment

    IMO
     
  3. sherlockh

    sherlockh Active Member

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    I believe she did make an effort to defend herself, but failed since she was restrained otherwise it would have been obvious from her defensive wounds. Funny that you quote the coroner. TOD by the coroner 10:50pm.
    You forget the screaming. Meredith didn't comply or went into shock. The evidence shows that. Besides we are not talking about rape here. We are talking about Meredith who was stabbed repeatedly in the neck. You seriously want me to believe that Meredith just stood there letting herself be stabbed in the neck because she complied or was in shock?
    Yes, the smaller knife could have made all the wounds by using it as a saw. Ridiculous theory that was rejected.
    I can't rule out that you win the lottery next week. Massei made it pretty clear that this was the most improbable scenario.
     
  4. sherlockh

    sherlockh Active Member

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    How do you know all this? It is like you were present at that interrogation yourself. The 'false lead' was told by Knox as the court documents show. Her boyfriend dropped her alibi, and Knox was in trouble. She doesn't simply deny that her bf was lying and that she was at his apartment. She instead confirms that she was out and was present in the cottage during the murder. However, the police believed she had met someone based on that text message and wanted to know from who that was. Knox can't remember. Of course, the police gets frustrated when Knox refuses to remember a single thing. When Knox finally gives them the name of Patrick and how he raped and murdered Meredith then what is the police supposed to do? Let a murderer walk free till they have time to checkout his alibi? I can understand they arrested him. They had a direct witness account. Knox made up yet another version of the interrogation in her book. The book version is not consistent with the version she told in court. Why would you believe a word of someone who keeps changing her story?

    The Amanda Knox Trainwreck: A Major Contradiction Between Knox’s Book And Her Trial Testimony
     
  5. sherlockh

    sherlockh Active Member

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    No, he didn't. Mignini makes a reference to Halloween ('Halloween ritual') since the murder was the day after and some journalist jumps all over the Italian word 'riti'. It is not used in the context of the murder being a rite. It is a reference to the murder being after Halloween. There is nothing 'nutty' about it.
     
  6. Gecko100

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    Lol, you can see the red letters now though, I wonder how it happens, even my posts have turned red!:scared:
     
  7. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

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    Ok I am officially insane....
     
  8. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

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    Let's look at this in context because you're really trying hard to spin this whole thing so it doesn't seem like Mignini said what he did, despite multiple citations that he did.

    The following is a quote in the NY post attributed to Mignini. It is on par with the Micheli report and is a direct quote:

    Micheli report (Google trans.):

    So we have multiple citations that Mignini initially tried to argue that the murder was a Manga-inspired sacrifice in honor of Halloween, but we're supposed to believe that this was just a mistranslation and he just meant to say it occurred after Halloween because... you say so??? No proof to back up your theory? While I and others have offered perfectly legitimate citation as proof, you're only offering personal opinion masquerading as fact that Mignini didn't say these things.

    Please cite any credible source for your theory or please stop posting that this is all just some gross misunderstanding.
     
  9. Malkmus

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    He also gave it a window of 8pm to 4am because he didn't take body temperature until 11 hours after the body was found.

    Her bruising shows she struggled with Rudy. He overpowered her, likely with her on all fours. I showed you a study that many women go into shock. Again, your incredulity is not a convincing argument.

    One wound was made wider by plunging the knife repeatedly. What's so hard to believe about that?

    Massei also thinks Knox carried around a giant kitchen knife in her purse for protection. Not a smart judge is he. If there had been clear evidence of multiple attackers, such as multiple persons' footprints in the murder room and bruises showing she was restrained from multiple points, a single attacker could be ruled out.
     
  10. Malkmus

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    This whole assessment is, as usual, revolving around her inability to recount everything that was said during her interrogation verbatim and in the exact order it happened. You know what would clarify that? A recording.
     
  11. Gecko100

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    No, but the book has been banned in Europe because of her allegations, and she faces possible further charges, for lying again, and so does RS.
    It's madness to publish a book in the middle of a trial, and it says a lot about exploitation and focus. They had only known Meredith Kercher for one month the same as the other residents of the house in Perugia, and their relationship was deteriorating.
    No-one discusses the length/amount of questioning the other residents experienced, and they had no complaints.
    I believe Filomena was also rigorously questioned for long periods of time too, and has said nothing about it.
    Ms AK and Mr RS are in it up to their ears.
     
  12. Malkmus

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    It wasn't banned. The publisher chose not to release it in the UK.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/10049975/Waiting-to-be-Heard-by-Amanda-Knox-review.html
     
  13. sherlockh

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    I already gave the proof. Direct quotes from Mignini in an interview with CNN. He blamed the journalist for making it up. That you believe the journalist and for some reason want to make Mignini a liar is your problem. That doesn't make it true. Mignini claimed it also in a letter to Linda Byron.
    http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/MigniniByron.pdf

    You are mistranslating the Micheli report. Ask an Italian what he means. He is talking about 'Halloween rituals'. In other words, Micheli didn't think Halloween had anything to do with the murder. I don't understand why anyone would seriously consider that an experienced prosecutor would come up with a line like 'a Manga-inspired sacrifice in honor of Halloween'. Some people have a weird imagination of Italy and Italians I suppose.
     
  14. Malkmus

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    In the CNN interview he says he never said it was a satanic ritual. Regardless, he's lied about other things, so I can see why he's covering his butt in the interview.

    If you're going to say I'm mistranslating it then you should be able to translate it yourself. Please explain why Micheli is talking about Mignini making an "imaginative reconstruction of rituals, feasts of Halloween, manga publications".

    Why would he mention it unless someone thought Halloween did have something to do with it?

    Micheli wrote it.

    Basically, there are multiple citations of this, and Mignini back-pedaling to say it wasn't satanic doesn't change that he initially said it was a murder in accordance with Halloween rituals. It doesn't make much sense that he would sue everyone under the sun for defamation but let this biggest one go untouched.
     
  15. sherlockh

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    More specifically 10:50pm
    The study talked about rape cases. Not stabbing victims. Nobody would let that happen. It is a natural reflex. Everybody would try to defend themselves. Look at real one on one fights such as Ron Goldman (O.J. Simpson), or Stephany Flores (J. vd Sloot). Horrible defensive wounds.
    In exactly the same spot while Meredith was trying to get away? That is very hard to believe IMO.
    How do you know it wasn't Knox that carried the knife around? Somebody must have brought it to the cottage.
    Massei report
    But but...he doesn't rule out a single attacker!
     
  16. kwmred

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    I believe there was only one attacker. There is no "evidence" to the contrary. Seems to me that the Italians don't have much use for actual evidence.
     
  17. sherlockh

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    Lied about what? Is this like saying the forensic expert lied about not doing a blood test and then claiming the Luminol evidence is useless because they didn't do a blood test?
    This is now completely different than claiming the murder was a satanic rite or sacrifice or whatever. Micheli rejected the Halloween elements, but it is not so strange to consider that Halloween elements could have played a role in whatever lead up to the murder. It was the day after Halloween after all.

    Micheli rejected the manga comics element, but Massei didn't. He mentioned it because it showed Sollecito had an interest in images of sexual violence.

    It was mostly defence lawyers who put these words in Mignini's mouth, and then journalists who picked up on that.
    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Knox-case-takes-new-twist-33-million-sought-1288815.php
     
  18. minazoe

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    okay so I keep asking myself this , so in an effort to find the truth, I hope no one is offended...but i feel like amanda has still not adequately explained her wrongful imprisonment of her boss,

    she could for instance say her decision was based on his race, and that she thought they would believe that a black man had done this...which they did...

    so maybe if she could be truthful, then she could be believed, but I am having problems with her, even tho I was a staunch defender....

    she is annoyingly difficult...no one can know or understand her pain, in ths she is above and beyond others,

    she had to defend herself in prison by throwing up her hands and yelling "I am not attacking you"

    really? in prison here, that will just get you your teeth knocked out...I know it was so traumatic....for her, being forced to talk about sex in italian.

    I think " I am not attacking you "sounds like something Merideth could have said.

    I didn't like amanda in the interview, I didin't like her angelic self important suffering routine...

    and the way she stalled, about her hands, even though she made no attempt to cover all the scabs and broken skin.

    she should say she got what she deserved for implicating Lumbada
     
  19. molly333

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    I looked at this case closely way back when it was first beginning and up until Amanda was given her long sentence. Shortly after that, it was too painful for me to keep up with it, and I have forgotten a lot of the particulars.

    But, at the time, it became clear to me that this was a simple burglary gone wrong. I think that Rudy was planning to rob the house that night because I think he expected the house to be empty with all the roommates gone for the holidays. He was in the process of leaving his usual calling card in the bathroom when Meredith unexpectedly walked in. I was interested to see someone here suggest that Meredith locked the door, locking him in. That was something I hadn't thought of before. If that is the case, perhaps Rudy wasn't intending on killing anyone that night, if he could have escaped unseen.

    Unfortunatly, Meredith would have recognized him as he had occassionally visited the boys downstairs [maybe to deal drugs? I can't remember why]. This would mean he would either do time for burglary or need to silence her. If Amanda had walked in instead, she, too, would likely have been killed.

    The police arrested Raffeale and Amanda before they figured out that the one person they had forensic evidence on was Rudy. By the time they realized it was Rudy, they had already concocted this crazy theory involving sex, threesomes, a loose American girl, and--I can't remember--but wasn't witchcraft and demons thrown in there somewhere? Anyway, the fewer the forensics the more complicated the crime theory, it seems. And, the crime theory always gives an insight into the mind of the prosecutor when it is not based on evidence. Foxy Noxy--a harmless childhood nickname--became fodder for the tabloids. Everyone loves a good story.

    Now I am revisiting this, and am very grateful that Amanda has finally been released. I read her and Raffeale's books in my sleep--both great books and highly recommended. And, I am beginning the Monster of Perugia and the Monster of Florence.

    Although I know I will not live long enough to understand the Italian system of justice, the counterpoint to ours makes us look like geniuses. Justice should be blind, and to that end, all high profile juries should be sequestered, but, other than that, God Bless this great country of ours.

    IMO
     
  20. Sigh Sister

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    The Monster of Florence is a good read. It gives a lot of insight into the mind of Mignini and some of the differences between American and Italian cultures. When I learned that Mignini was also involved in the MK murder case, I looked at the prosecution and conviction of AK and RS with new eyes. Based solely on news coverage, I originally thought that they probably were somehow involved. I then read the Monster of Perugia and was appalled! I am absolutely convinced that they are innocent. Mignini is a hardcore conspiracy theorist, and it is clear to me that a wild theory of the murder was concocted before the evidence was evaluated. And because "salvare la faccia", saving face, is a big part of the Italian consciousness, we will never hear him say, "I was wrong". (For the record, I am not criticizing Italians overall, just simply stating what I have learned about the culture.)

    I just finished AK's book and found it compelling and started reading RS's yesterday. I can't believe that this nightmare isn't over for them.

    (I've lurked quite a bit on this thread, but have hesitated to post as it can get rather heated in here. :seeya:)
     
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