Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

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    http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/6287-woman-falls-overboard-on-cruise-ship-treads-water-until-rescue

    This woman fell overboard and hit a lifeboat on the way down and survived, badly injured and was rescued.

    Interesting perspective... She says she shouldn't have survived and is suing Carnival.

    Oh wait, hold up.. This link has an infrared photo of her in the process of going overboard! http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/the-moment-sarah-kirby-plunged-from-a-carnival-cruise-ship/story-fnizu68q-1226806932077

    "Kirby swam till she was exhausted, floated and coughed up water from waves that "would crash into her face, believing that her death was imminent" from drowning or sharks.

    She said she had to wait 16 hours before she received medical treatment.

    Kirby stayed in hospital for three weeks suffering severe injuries including broken bones, lung contusions, hypothermia, heart arrhythmia and blood clots in her eyes, arms, and legs."

    The scale of person to boat-- person is so small.

    View attachment 60545


    I just had a heart wrenching and sickening thought: Maybe the noise her dad heard that he ascribed to as her closing the cabin door was the noise of her hitting a lifeboat on the way down from falling overboard?
     

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    Here is the starboard side of Rhapsody of the Seas. Amy's cabin was the 15th one from the back. Deck 8 is above the life rafts.

    View attachment 60547

    Her cabin did indeed have a life boat below it: (the second life boat from the left)

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    (The second photo is blurry because I enlarged it from the first photo).


    If she fell and hit a life raft on the way down and was injured as much or more than Sarah Kirby, how does the fact that Amy is a "trained lifeguard" dismiss a drowning? It doesn't at all. Trained lifeguard status doesn't matter here in the end.

    For scale, each life boat can fit about 200 people for smaller ships and up to 360 people for the larger ships IIRC. So they look small compared to the ship but they aren't small.
     
  7. Little Jedi

    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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    Personally I'd feel slightly intimidated under these circumstances.

    *Friday March 26th,1998 - 3AM*

    " I witnessed 2 young girls, probably around 19 or 20 years old, walk toward the stern of the boat on the starboard side. Minutes later a young man ran from where the women had walked toward the bow of the boat. Soon, a woman with blonde hair and another gentleman and at least one man from Royal Caribean began to congregate on what may have been the 6th deck across from where I was standing.

    They began to question the 2 young girls.

    It was around this time time that it became obvious to me that the people I was watching was the family of the missing girl.
    I was curious as to why this meeting was taking place in the middle of the night and being wide awake I decided to eavesdrop to find out what I could. Apparently the 2 girls had seen Amy Bradley, the missing girl, during the early morning hours of the day she vanished. They were trying to find out anything and everything that the two girls had seen.
    What I witnessed was the older woman was immensly distraught. I over heard her saying, “please, think very carfully did you see anything else? Are you sure you didn’t hear anything else, are you sure you didn’t see anything else.” The poor women was so frantic I just remember everyone trying to get her to calm down and be cool.

    Later I found out her name was Iva Bradley."


    I think whatever time these eye-witnesses stated would be very questionable.

    * I also wouldn't call 5:30-6am "early morning hours"

    http://chrisfenwick.com/home/2010/3/1/amy-bradley-is-missing.html?currentPage=2
     
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    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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    Amy's mother pleaded with the crew:

    "I got very, very panicked and frightened and I asked them please don't put the gangplank down. 'You need to lock the ship up. You need to back the ship off of the dock. Don't let anybody off of this boat. Somebody's got my daughter.'"

    The Bradleys claim the purser didn't broadcast the first page for Amy until 10 minutes to 8:00. By then, Amy's mother said, most of the passengers had disembarked for the day: "

    Have I got this right ?

    Ron noticed Amy 'missing' at 6am, got up, went looked on deck etc. before awakening Iva.

    Most passengers had disembarked by 7:50am

    So Iva's frantic plea to lock-down an entire cruise ship for her missing 23 year old daughter occurs within approximately 1.5 hours ?!

    Seriously ??
    Does that not seem a bit OTT ?


    http://unsolved.com/archives/amy-bradley
     
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    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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    "You go on a trip and come home without one of them and *you get no help*. It's a pretty devastating 24/ 7 situation."
    Iva Bradley


    Hmmm ..... :thinking:

    http://www.publicrecords.com/free-criminal-records/amy_lynn_bradley-criminal-record-report

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050102144648/http://richmond.com/output.cfm?ID=1669
     
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    This is pretty interesting regarding 'overboard incidents'

    http://www.cruisejunkie.com/Overboard.html

     
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    Debate all you want, IMHO she didn't fall overboard. How do you explain away all the various detailed sightings, she identified herself on two occasions. If she was never seen again I could entertain her falling overboard. It didn't happen. Her father saw her laying down on deck with door closed. Next time he woke the door was open and she wasn't there. She obviously opened the door walked in and then exited cabin. Why is everyone so fixated on her falling overboard? I don't get it.
     
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    Exactly, the overboard theory in Amy's case is in the same field of the Yeti theory in Maura Murray's disappearance. It's ridiculous. It's preposterous to believe Amy fell off the ship in open waters. The ship was not in open waters but rather in the canal involved in the docking process during the time Any went missing. Amy's body would have been found, if she had gone in the water in this location within the canal. It would be impossible for Amy to have suffered from hypothermia as some have stated.

    http://www.weather2travel.com/climate-guides/curacao/curacao.php
    http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/coastal_communities/hypothermia

    The ship was turning in the canal and fully docked by 6:00. Ron saw Amy on the balcony between 5:15 and 5:30. Since the ship was docked by 6:00, the ship would have been fully involved in docking maneuvers when Ron saw Amy and when Amy went to the open deck with her camera. Rhapsody of the Seas was docked at 6:00 when Amy disappeared.


    Also AGAIN i have to post this quote. "We've pursued every angle, from whether there was foul play, a suicide or an accident, and we have basically not gotten anywhere," said James K. Weber, special agent in charge of the office in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

    The F.B.I has already pursued the overboard angle, the investigation ruled out the possibility Amy fell overboard. Enough with it, there is SO much evidence people have to ignore to believe that Amy somehow fell off the ship in the canal and happened to be conveniently dragged away by magical ocean currents.
     
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    The first link Murkywaters provided also shows COLD water in Curaçao in March, 81 degrees F (the AVERAGE temp, not necessarily the temp on 24 March 1998).

    Hypothermia is very much a possibility when, as I demonstrated in links I provided, cold water immersion happens to a person's body. The immersion in cold water lowers body temperature quicker than body temperature is lowered in the air environment.

    The second link she provided states: "Cold water dangerously accelerates the onset and progression of hypothermia since body heat can be lost 25 times faster in cold water than in cold air. Hypothermia affects the body's core – the brain, heart, lungs, and other vital organs. Even a mild case of hypothermia diminishes a victim’s physical and mental abilities, thus increasing the risk of accidents. Severe hypothermia may result in unconsciousness and possibly death."

    Thank you, Murkywaters. Excellent sleuthing helping to point to a hypothermia theory. I appreciate the back up research into the hypothermia angle.

    Amy would have had no life vest, no flotation device, she was likely wearing cotton, she presumably hadn't eaten in many hours, she had little body fat, she may have been dehydrated if she had been drinking and she possibly would have been injured during the fall or when she hit the water.

    I hadn't run across any links about a canal, as several links I posted said the ship was ten miles offshore when she went missing. Nevertheless, she wasn't found in the canal and one possibility for that is that she didn't fall in the canal. You can't find someone if you are searching the wrong area, and most people who fall overboard are never found regardless of the search effort.

    The second link, with survival times, is a boating link for Minnesota's lakes and inlets. Boaters are required to have:

    1) a free standing personal flotation device which can be thrown to a person or will fall into the water if something happens to the boat

    2) a life jacket for each person on the boat. (In most states, boaters are not required to wear the PFD at all times, but you do have to have one for each person).

    The difference between having a PFD and not having a PFD is a significant factor in life vs. death and also those survival times do NOT account for injury. It is assumed the person in the lake is not injured.
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    "Hypothermia is a medical emergency that occurs when your body loses heat faster than it can produce heat, causing a dangerously low body temperature. Normal body temperature is around 98.6 F (37 C). Hypothermia (hi-poe-THUR-me-uh) occurs as your body temperature passes below 95 F (35 C).

    When your body temperature drops, your heart, nervous system and other organs can't work normally. Left untreated, hypothermia can eventually lead to complete failure of your heart and respiratory system and to death."

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hypothermia/basics/definition/con-20020453
     
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    Amy's case was the topic of this week's episode of "Disappeared" on ID. After 20 years, Amy's family is still looking for answers and for Amy.
     
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    I watched. Seems like they left a lot of details and sightings out of the show. Could have been a 2 hour episode. The Frank Jones focus is a waste of time at this point. I would have liked to have heard more about sightings in Barbados and San Francisco and more recent developments if any.

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    That's interesting. I came away from the show believing that Amy didn't leave the ship alive. I didn't find any of the sightings mentioned on the show credible. Maybe there are some that were left out that would be more believable, but I'm very skeptical.
     
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    The only one that seemed credible to me was the beach sighting because of the tattoo, but even that wasn't super convincing since they didn't interview the guy who saw her/the tattoo to get more clarification on exactly what he saw. The former navy officer's story about the brothel was convincing as well, I guess.

    However, unless I'm just not understanding how balconies on cruise ships work, or what the rooms look like, I don't really see how she could have left that balcony after her dad saw here there without her family members hearing/seeing her do so, so I think she went overboard from that balcony. But why?
     
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    Maybe she got on the railing to get a better view of the sun rising or take a picture of the sun rising. It’s interesting how the dad all of a sudden woke up again and saw she wasn’t there. Maybe he heard her scream while he was deep in sleep and never realized that her falling is what woke him up again so suddenly.
     
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    Not to mention she was also seen downstairs at around 5:00 a.m. with the guy from the band , can’t recall his name.
     
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    I haven't checked this thread in ages, and I'm not really sure what to think about Amy's disappearance at all, but the taking pictures of her family thing reminded me of a horrific episode of Locked Up Abroad that I recently saw. An American couple living in Mexico was kidnapped for money; but only the husband was kept. The wife was let go to raise the funds, and they kept him locked in a tiny box under horrific conditions, tortured, lights and music blaring 24-7. At some point, his captors went her house and took pictures of her and her daughter having dinner, just normal or maybe there was a man there, like a detective, and then they went back and showed him the pictures and told him, "See, she moved on, she's living her life, she's not even looking for you, she's in love with someone else, she forgot about you" and they made him write this horrible letter to her, saying the least she could do is get the ransom money or they were going to kill him.

    So my point is, pictures of the family could be use to coerce the victim, tell her see - they're happy without you, they've moved on, no one is looking for you. That's what a lot of kidnappers do to their victims to get them to lose hope and stop trying to think of escaping. I don't know if that's what happened here, I'm just saying it's possible.
     
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