NOTGUILTY AR - Thomas Naramore, 18 mos, dies in hot car, Hot Springs, 24 July 2015

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  1. meanmaryjean

    meanmaryjean Verified RN (Pediatrics Specialty)

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    I'd be very interested in the number of hot car deaths before and after this legislation. Not debating the wisdom or safety of rear car seats - just curious.
     


  2. CCmakes3

    CCmakes3 Active Member

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    Bbm. Bingo. This guy was doing something he shouldn't have been. 2-year-olds can ask questions and tell stories. He couldn't afford to have the child wake up and see what he was doing, nor could he afford to have police coming to his house.
     
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  4. Kaliste

    Kaliste New Member

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    I totally get that. I also understand how people say "how could a parent forget their own child?!" But accidents do happen to exhausted, over stressed, over scheduled parents. I'm a SAHM with young children (under 5). I spend all day driving from grocery store to camp to dance to karate to play dates to grandmas to the doctor, I'm a personal toddler taxi. Sometimes I'm trying to simultaneously drag a screaming child and a napping child plus groceries and my diaper bag into the house on a scorching day with a ringing phone and barking dogs waiting at the window and only a few minutes to get everyone back into the car for the next thing. It's chaotic and busy.

    There is no excuse but awful, tragic mistakes do happen. Knowingly Leaving your kid in the car so you can grocery shop in peace or get a pedicure is different, it's neglect.


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  5. Kaliste

    Kaliste New Member

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    Also, rear facing a seat (so the large car seat is facing the back of the seat) is recommended to at least 2 years now by the AAP meaning the parents literally can't seat the child. It's safest in a crash and I follow the recommendation myself but that could be part of it.


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  6. EllieBee

    EllieBee Former Member

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    I agree, and abhor that reality. :(
     
  7. EllieBee

    EllieBee Former Member

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    This is exactly why I call BS on the "I forgot" defense. Nobody ever forgets their cell phone. A-holes. Babies are, gee, kinda more important than cell phones and briefcases.
     
  8. AlwaysShocked

    AlwaysShocked Well-Known Member

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    Congrats for being a stay-at-home mom. But it sure sounds like you are running yourself ragged with hauling your kids to "enrichment activities". Why not take a step back and ask yourself if a 5 year old or less than five year old really need karate lessons and dance lessons? How many "play dates" do children really need? Are they having actual problems socializing with their peers that they need the activities?

    Best of luck to you in any case. It does not sound like you are about to forget one of your children.

    Let's face it, folks. No, this could and would not happen to "anybody". Thank God. But I do believe those to whom it happens have allowed their life to get far, far out of control. Too stressed, too distracted.
     
  9. EllieBee

    EllieBee Former Member

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    Odd how there seems to be no updates and very little media coverage on this in general.
     
  10. meanmaryjean

    meanmaryjean Verified RN (Pediatrics Specialty)

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    Yes, very strange indeed!
     
  11. CCmakes3

    CCmakes3 Active Member

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    wendybtn Well-Known Member

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    But this guy was at home for 4 hours with responsibility for 1 kid. He was not in a high stress situation, IMO.
     
  13. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if he was the usual one to pick the child up and was usually responsible for him at that time? I was a SAHM so I ALWAYS expected to be responsible for the kids.I wouldn't have left a child in the car because the house would have been too quiet. If I was home, the kids were home. But my husband rarely picked the kids up from school and it would have been unusual ...so IDK.
     
  14. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    Like if he didn't regularly have him at that time... so forgot him in the car and didn't notice he was missing at home because he wasn't usually with him then?

    Now I'm wondering why he went back out to the car after four hours alone.
     
  15. EllieBee

    EllieBee Former Member

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    Maybe he was giving his child free range? You know, so as not to cause him untold mental anguish in later years?
     
  16. CCmakes3

    CCmakes3 Active Member

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    But still, how often was HE home when the child WASN'T home? If he had such a demanding job that he couldn't regularly be "burdened" with childcare/drop-off/pick-up, how accustomed could he have been to being in the house without the child there? It shouldn't have taken him 4 hours in the middle of the day to realize that it had been way too quiet for way too long. I can ALMOST understand when people forget to drop off and spend the whole day at WORK, but how do you LIVE with a normal, rambunctious 2-year-old and not think it odd that they are not underfoot, asking for a snack, or begging you to play over a FOUR HOUR period in your own home. Impossible. Something stinks. I read in one of the linked articles that the place first responders were called to was several blocks away from the Naramore home. Wth??? He has to drive several blocks away from his own home to call for help? (Of course I can't find that quote now....perhaps even the media is backtracking and covering up for the judge.)
     
  17. EllieBee

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    Sseing as how he was at home mid-day when his wife was not....

    I am thinking a nooner with a person not his wife?

    MOO, just speculation
     
  18. EllieBee

    EllieBee Former Member

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    Oh, and the media is definitely sanitizing things for Hizzoner. Look at what happened to Justin Ross Harris. No media chokeholds there.

    It's good to be da judge.
     
  19. CCmakes3

    CCmakes3 Active Member

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    That's where my mind is going, too. Or, I am reminded of the foster parent (in Kansas, I believe?) who had just scored some dope and had to scurry inside to enjoy it before the baby woke up. (Sorry, can't remember names in that case but I think it was two dads with several adopted and foster kids).
     
  20. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    I agree something stinks. I was asking the previous poster to clarify is all.

    The driving to his neighbor's house is just crazy. Your child is dead in your car and you get behind the wheel and drive to the neighbor's?!! Hospital I could maybe understand. In a panic you might just react. But this... I don't like it.
     

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