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Off Topic slightly, but why was karla H never charged with perjury. In the UK before we did away with double jeapody laws we actually used perjury laws to imprison someone who had pleaseded not guilty to murder, got an acquital and then later admitted it (this particular case was the first to be retried after the abolition of double jeapody so he did eventually get a conviction for murder).
 
HastingsChi said:
With Magnotta I always try to keep in mind that he's probably claimed responsibility for everything from the Miraculous Conception to the invention of penicillin to the Holocaust to the atomic bomb to the JFK Assassination to the events of September 11, 2001... and everything that has happened throughout history or will happen in the future.

Edit: I'm sure he'll take credit for Katie filing for divorce from Tom Cruise; what great timing with yesterday's Magnotta scientology article malarkey...


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Not sure what is driving this line of thinking. He hasn't claimed responsibility for other crimes (if he has get me up to date I haven't been on this site much lately) and even more to the point he hasn't even taken responsibility for "this" crime yet. We don't know what his not guilty please means yet - he may actually still argue (his lawyer will) that he has committed no crimes at all. I think this is the most likely thing right now. His lawyers will continue to keep him away from the psychiatrists because that is where the gov wants him to be.

I won't rehash my suspicions posted a while ago (they were really prognostications when they became true) that sees LM as a massive political time-bomb for gov. I think the video/spectacle had a political meaning that might include blackmail or carpet bombing of gov. officials or other highly placed individuals. I find in the Fusilliers pub incident evidence that LM was being "protected" by police in London not hounded by them. So an informant of some kind. I have stayed off the board since have had no more to say but I will add:

1. The introduction of the new Tory lawyer was absolutely breathtaking - people are wondering what it means but to me it is pretty obvious what it means the gov wants access to what LM is stewing about in prison they need a list of everything. I know I know attorney client privilege and privacy but when the stakes are high....

2. The weeks go by and we know no more and maybe less and less about his biography and his actual movements and addresses. This is astounding. Even on this site LM is receding in view rather than getting clearer for all of everyone's hard work here.


3. I agree with recent posters re symbolism in fact I think the whole thing was choreographed and not by LM.
 
When I read at Magnotta's website, I thought he had probably done some reading on "The Truth Movement." In a ridiculously short summary, the Truth Movement is an ideology which proclaims that society is, and has been for centuries, engineered by the extremely wealthy (The Elite) for their own power and wealth.

One subject within the Truth Movement is Monarch slaves. Monarch slaves are people who have allegedly been deliberately traumatized through mostly sexual abuse by governmental powers in order to completely control their minds. They are said to be used for the sexual pleasure of wealthy and powerful people and can be used for assassinations or pretty much anything their "handlers" want them to do.

Allegedly, the handlers use Walt Disney character symbols to trigger the slaves into a dissociative state by linking the symbols with the abuse. Mickey Mouse is a prominent symbol.

When I saw Magnotta had created a blog with the "Illuminati" and the "Bilderberg Group" as topics, I knew there was a very good possibility Magnotta had been exposed to the Monarch slave theory. Wearing the Mickey Mouse T-shirt would have been a BIG symbol to "Truthers" who believe in this theory that Magnotta was a Monarch slave.
 
Regarding him in the Mickey Mouse T-shirt (posted on the previous page) - I have NEVER seen anyone look so sad/unhappy/miserable in a Mickey Mouse T-shirt......ever! And I work with some very distrubed/unhappy people.

I've often thought that clothing reflects the inner person. Rockers often wear skull shirts.:rocker: Goths wear the Goth get-up. Housewives tend to look like housewives. Businessmen wear business suits.

I wonder WHY he chose to wear the happy Mickey Mouse shirt. (Or was there something waaaay back in the posts here and I missed it....tying him to the image of Mickey Mouse?)

:jail:

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ETA: Holy cow - I just looked at the cartoon info dotr posted above. :what:
 
Good to see you back Chorley8.
I think I'm right on the same page as you. His Wembley eviction is most definitely suspect, uniformed would always deal with such an issue.
I can't remember the film, but Ray Winstone played a 'cleaner upper' - I think there is a whole lot being 'cleaned up' and 9 months (symbolic?) is more than enough time to get that job done IMO :moo:
 
No_Stone_Unturned said:
Curiosity got the better of me so I googled Mickey Mouse:

http://io9.com/5920675/back-in-the-day-mickey-mouse-attempted-suicide-and-fought-opium-smugglers

But the problem I have with all of this is that I cannot see him taking the time/energy to look up the meanings of clothing etc. Was he really indeed a researcher? How else can we reconcile the Mickey Mouse shirt? Just a complete coincidence? A joke? He got it for two bucks on rue Ste-Catherine?
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I think we can all assume that he had plenty of time on his hands. No 9 to 5 job, living of welfair and your occasional webcam/tricks stuff. He also had plenty of time to copy-paste some articles to his blog and reading them before posting it. How many of us googled/searched the web after seeing a documentary wanting to know more about the subject? How many of us stumbled on other subjects whilst browsing the web for the original thing you were looking for? I don't see any reason why he could not have done the same thing. After all many of us want to satisfy their curiosity once it is triggered.

My gutfeeling is that we underestimate him in certain points and overestimate in others. I don't think he is mentally challenged, nor do i think that he has a sky high IQ. But i do think that he has an average to a bit above average IQ, since he could understand the copy-paste items on his blog.
*I'm leaving the spelling/grammar errors out of the picture, since that's not a trustfull marker for one's IQ ( for instance dyslexia, not saying that he has it ).*

I hope that it makes some sense what i wrote
 
Chorley8 said:
Not sure what is driving this line of thinking. He hasn't claimed responsibility for other crimes (if he has get me up to date I haven't been on this site much lately) and even more to the point he hasn't even taken responsibility for "this" crime yet. We don't know what his not guilty please means yet - he may actually still argue (his lawyer will) that he has committed no crimes at all. I think this is the most likely thing right now. His lawyers will continue to keep him away from the psychiatrists because that is where the gov wants him to be.

I won't rehash my suspicions posted a while ago (they were really prognostications when they became true) that sees LM as a massive political time-bomb for gov. I think the video/spectacle had a political meaning that might include blackmail or carpet bombing of gov. officials or other highly placed individuals. I find in the Fusilliers pub incident evidence that LM was being "protected" by police in London not hounded by them. So an informant of some kind. I have stayed off the board since have had no more to say but I will add:

1. The introduction of the new Tory lawyer was absolutely breathtaking - people are wondering what it means but to me it is pretty obvious what it means the gov wants access to what LM is stewing about in prison they need a list of everything. I know I know attorney client privilege and privacy but when the stakes are high....

2. The weeks go by and we know no more and maybe less and less about his biography and his actual movements and addresses. This is astounding. Even on this site LM is receding in view rather than getting clearer for all of everyone's hard work here.


3. I agree with recent posters re symbolism in fact I think the whole thing was choreographed and not by LM.
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I've been away from the thread for a bit (working on my own research projects), but Chorley you've brought me out of retirement. :)

Could you please specify what evidence you have to suggest that LRM is a "massive political timebomb" for either the Canadian or British governments? That is, other than being a psychopathic criminal who murdered Jun Lin.

I think that while LRM has not claimed responsibility for any particular crimes, he seems to have posted online about himself in various guises-- on youtube and elsewhere-- as a "serial killer" before committing this murder.

Also, Luc LeClair, the "Tory lawyer" you mention is an experienced criminal defense lawyer, who has worked on a number of high profile murder cases. In suggesting that he's secretly working for the Government while working as LRM's lawyer, you are making some very serious allegations of professional misconduct against a lawyer which would lead to LeClair's disbarment if true. What evidence do you have of this suggestion?
 
As for LRM's background, it seems to me that people on this thread are making a lot of unsupported assumptions about his childhood and family upbringing. There is absolutely ZERO independent evidence supporting any conclusion that LRM was abused, sexually or otherwise, growing up.

Yes, he was not raised in a stable nuclear family unit, but if every child who was raised in those circumstances-- by a single mom or dad-- or even suffered some form of abuse, turned into a murderous psychopath, they would constitute far more than the estimated 1% of the general population.

LRM, in my opinion, is a psychopath and pathological liar. He has lied so often about so many things, that no statement he has made should be received as credible unless supported by independent corroborating evidence.

That includes statements that he *has* made or *will make* about his past, his family, his alleged abuse, his alleged plastic surgery, his alleged ties to Russian mobs, his alleged stalkers (ie "Manny"), his alleged relationship to Karla Homolka, etc, etc, etc.

People should also know that all of these prior statements, including emails to that New York attorney, and any online statements, would really be no help to LRM at trial. Prosecutors could use such prior statements against him as "admissions", which is an exception to the Hearsay Rule of evidence-- that statements made out of court are not admissible.

LRM, however, could not tender any of these such statements as evidence, as they would excluded as "prior consistent statements"; such statements are inadmissible on the basis that they are too easily fabricated beforehand, to bolster credibility or testimony at trial.

In summary, until some other credible evidence surfaces-- like a third party or family member who will testify about any such abuse-- I think we ought not assume any kind of childhood abuse; even if he "looks" or seems to "act" like someone who acts as someone abused, through our own anecdotal experience.

Psychopaths are highly manipulative-- sometimes fooling even clinical psychologists. If LRM was mimicking serial killers in so many other ways, why is it so difficult to believe he is also lying about his own childhood or personal family experiences, to fit the "role" of famous serial killers, who themselves were abused as children?
 
I completely agree that he is not to be believed.

And *I* am the Queen of England celebrating my Diamond Jubilee. See, anyone is able to type anything to a computer!

:jail:
 
If LM was to be questioned, photographed or arrested , the airport was the likely place for it and I can see LM choosing the mickey t shirt with that in mind .. Every headline did after all say he was wearing that particular t shirt. Perhaps in some twisted way he thought that it would impress a certain KH...
Just as No StoneU. said upthread that one usually wears what one is,a rodent seems apropos.





http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20070604_106076_106076&page=3
"Karla has always been a big believer in the magic of childhood. In jail, her cell was packed with stuffed animals and decorated with the kinds of posters and hearts-and-flowers tchotchkes that an eight-year-old might choose. A lifelong Disney fanatic, Homolka even had Mickey Mouse bedsheets on her prison cot. No small irony, given that what initially piqued the police's interest in her was the cartoon rodent watch visible in the photos the hospital had taken to document Bernardo's beating.(The timepiece was exactly the same as the one Kristen French was wearing the day she disappeared.)"
 
Chorley8 said:
Not sure what is driving this line of thinking. He hasn't claimed responsibility for other crimes (if he has get me up to date I haven't been on this site much lately) and even more to the point he hasn't even taken responsibility for "this" crime yet. We don't know what his not guilty please means yet - he may actually still argue (his lawyer will) that he has committed no crimes at all. I think this is the most likely thing right now. His lawyers will continue to keep him away from the psychiatrists because that is where the gov wants him to be.

I won't rehash my suspicions posted a while ago (they were really prognostications when they became true) that sees LM as a massive political time-bomb for gov. I think the video/spectacle had a political meaning that might include blackmail or carpet bombing of gov. officials or other highly placed individuals. I find in the Fusilliers pub incident evidence that LM was being "protected" by police in London not hounded by them. So an informant of some kind. I have stayed off the board since have had no more to say but I will add:

1. The introduction of the new Tory lawyer was absolutely breathtaking - people are wondering what it means but to me it is pretty obvious what it means the gov wants access to what LM is stewing about in prison they need a list of everything. I know I know attorney client privilege and privacy but when the stakes are high....

2. The weeks go by and we know no more and maybe less and less about his biography and his actual movements and addresses. This is astounding. Even on this site LM is receding in view rather than getting clearer for all of everyone's hard work here.


3. I agree with recent posters re symbolism in fact I think the whole thing was choreographed and not by LM.
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I'd love to hear more of your theories. I, too, feel like there is more to all of this than meets the eye. You have someone who is obviously willing to do anything for money and survival. It seems to me he'd be an easy target, and someone no one would care about once the ***** hit the fan. I can't wrap my brain around it or put my finger on it, but there is more to this whole thing than just some poor, pathetic, abused, exploited, celebrity/pornstar wannabe snaps on the world's stage.
 
No_Stone_Unturned said:
I completely agree that he is not to be believed.

And *I* am the Queen of England celebrating my Diamond Jubilee. See, anyone is able to type anything to a computer!

:jail:
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But how do we know that you AREN'T ??? ;) :floorlaugh:
 
Sunday said:
I'd love to hear more of your theories. I, too, feel like there is more to all of this than meets the eye. You have someone who is obviously willing to do anything for money and survival. It seems to me he'd be an easy target, and someone no one would care about once the ***** hit the fan. I can't wrap my brain around it or put my finger on it, but there is more to this whole thing than just some poor, pathetic, abused, exploited, celebrity/pornstar wannabe snaps on the world's stage.
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Again, as I said in response to Chorley's post, what evidence do we have that there is any kind of vast conspiracy beyond LRM, who seems to fit every categorical trait for psychopaths?

I think people ought to apply Occam's Razor. No need to multiply conspiracies and assumptions.

By the way, one of the things almost universally common amongst psychopathic killers is that before killing humans, they spent time torturing and killing animals. And, IMHO, the evidence compiled by Baudi Moovan's group against LRM for the animal cruelty videos, is very, very, convincing.
 
@the dissent

So whats your thoughts on non-uniformed police being sent to deal with his eviction from above the Wembley pub, whilst LRM was in the middle of a follow up interview with The Sun?
 
jellybeanz said:
@the dissent

So whats your thoughts on non-uniformed police being sent to deal with his eviction from above the Wembley pub, whilst LRM was in the middle of a follow up interview with The Sun?
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Police were there, called by the hotel manager to evict him. It's not uncommon for plain clothes officers to conduct evictions; it avoids causing alarm (and helps to get the tenant to answer the door!).

And it wasn't "in the middle" of the interview. The interview by Reporter Alex West was done, and police evicted him after.

source: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/06/01/19828096.html

We know LRM was often short on money. Bankruptcies, turning tricks for small amounts of money, etc.

It's not difficult to believe that he simply wasn't paying his rent and the owner wanted him out. Period.
 
Sunday said:
This is why I wondered if he also had some run in with the journalist, Justin Ling. It just sounded very similar to Justin Lin. But then I dismissed that thought as over-thinking.
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Yeah it was an interesting coincidence that the journalist from x-tra is called Justin Ling! Jun Lin adopted the western name Justin. Luka in his flickr tags added the words Justin and Bieber. He wanted traffic, good tags increase chance of more visitors to find his gallery.
Plus the purple hoodie just like Justin bieber in his videos, I know it sounds like over-thinking things, but some killers associate things on a deeper level, maybe he chose Jun Lin as victim because of the new name Justin, heck who knows! that is why I mentioned that brazilian cannibal, because he didn't pick his victims ramdomly, he chose only those who had 66 or 666 number in their ID cards. Crazy to us but to the killer it has some logic and it is deadly serious.

I wish I could understand what is LM logic, his reasons, it hurts badly to think that he would carefully pick up media icons and commit a murder just for notoriety. If he did it for racist reasons, jealousy, hate or something else, I could cope better, but if he went ahead because he decided that is better to be infamous than a nobody, wow, that is so hard to accept, at least for me.
 
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