Armchair psych profile and personal background

[thedissent]

I agree about the e-strip texts, he sounded honest and I think readers in that blog overreacted and bullied him in the comments, that was way before the cat killings. Btw, the guys from Orato did not like his texts either and found him obnoxious.
http://metronews.ca/news/vancouver/245363/vancouver-editors-put-off-by-creepy-magnotta/

Also about Barbie Swallows, she gave a very intimate reply to one blog and explained what happened between her Luka and Nader. It seems Luka had some serious sexual problems, I wonder how the heck did he work as a prostitute and *advertiser censored* actor if he had so serious impotence problems? And I wonder about his real feelings about Barbie and Nader, i mean they sure meant something very important to him because after so many years they were the only people he wanted to attack and address on the rip-off reports in the day he was busy killing Jun Lin. Why exactly these two? I mean he could have written a rip-off about his parents, society, *advertiser censored* industry, clients, everything else, but then he chose Nader and Barbie who were out of his life for many years! I think it is so crazy.
here the link:
http://lukamagnotta.org/news/jelous-haters-on-myspace

I agree, it is pretty bizarre.

And you never know with LRM. On the one hand, maybe there is something special about these characters such that he decided to rip on them on the day he committed his murder; as if they were fresh in his mind.

On the other, LRM had such a habit of holding long term grudges against people, and his Internet trolling and venomous invectives were such a daily activity for him, it just happened he decided to rip on them this day. Given how calmly, coolly, and nonchalantly he seemed to murder, dismember, and mail body parts, it was no big thing. Hence, he goes online and just decides to rip on these two people.

Psychopaths are vindictive and hold long term grudges. LRM is no doubt the same; spewing venom against long time foes, from that Tony M character and the Greek community in his neighbourhood; to his family; to Nader/Barbie Swallows; to the admin on that Holmolka site. The list goes on...

 

[Donyale]

I haven't read her comments, but if he was in fact impotent with her it could be because he couldn't obtain appropriate levels of arousal when he had genuine feelings for someone..

You really should read, it is on that link and I don't think I can post here due graphic content. This is not like Nina whom he had a relationship for a while and later became distant about intimacy. His 1st meeting with Barbie was for a threesome, they didn't know each other on a personal level at all, it should be just sex, Nader left and he kept going with Barbie only, yet Luka couldn't maintain himself aroused, he went to sleep after several failed attempts, she said. They got connected and was attracted to each other but I don't think this should affect his performance like that, do you think it is possible? I think it's way too extreme to have genuine feelings for a stranger enough to affect his performance. I even wondered if he could have schizoid sexuality or abused cocaine or other drugs. Read Barbie comment and you will see what i mean.

 

[Sunday]

You really should read, it is on that link and I don't think I can post here due graphic content. This is not like Nina whom he had a relationship for a while and later became distant about intimacy. His 1st meeting with Barbie was for a threesome, they didn't know each other on a personal level at all, it should be just sex, Nader left and he kept going with Barbie only, yet Luka couldn't maintain himself aroused, he went to sleep after several failed attempts, she said. They got connected and was attracted to each other but I don't think this should affect his performance like that, do you think it is possible? I think it's way too extreme to have genuine feelings for a stranger enough to affect his performance. I even wondered if he could have schizoid sexuality or abused cocaine or other drugs. Read Barbie comment and you will see what i mean.

Well, that rules out meth use! Doesn't meth lead to the everlasting erection?

 

[Sunday]

I agree, it is pretty bizarre.

And you never know with LRM. On the one hand, maybe there is something special about these characters such that he decided to rip on them on the day he committed his murder; as if they were fresh in his mind.

On the other, LRM had such a habit of holding long term grudges against people, and his Internet trolling and venomous invectives were such a daily activity for him, it just happened he decided to rip on them this day. Given how calmly, coolly, and nonchalantly he seemed to murder, dismember, and mail body parts, it was no big thing. Hence, he goes online and just decides to rip on these two people.

Psychopaths are vindictive and hold long term grudges. LRM is no doubt the same; spewing venom against long time foes, from that Tony M character and the Greek community in his neighbourhood; to his family; to Nader/Barbie Swallows; to the admin on that Holmolka site. The list goes on...

Being that they all initially hooked up for a threesome I think it is possible that Barbie and Nadir may have kept in touch on some level, and perhaps they mocked Luka for his performance issues, or just talked smack about him, and it got back to him. Or it could have been as simple as he and Barbie had an argument and she eluded to the fact that she wished she had hooked up with Nadir instead of Luka. Here I go with the wild speculation, doing what I criticize others for doing!

 

[OEJ]

I agree that many things could have gone wrong, but I understand their desire to find a way to get LRM to face justice.

But legality is not one of the problems. Police in the U.S. could have arrested him for crimes in Canada (animal cruelty is illegal in Canada), the same way police in Germany arrested him for a crime committed in Canada (the murder of Jun Lin).

Presumably, U.S. authorities would have extradited him back to Canada to face charges, just as Germany did this time.

I don't think there was even a warrant for him in Canada for the animal killings. I don't think they had been able to establish jurisdiction, yet.

 

[sinwonderland]

Being that they all initially hooked up for a threesome I think it is possible that Barbie and Nadir may have kept in touch on some level, and perhaps they mocked Luka for his performance issues, or just talked smack about him, and it got back to him. Or it could have been as simple as he and Barbie had an argument and she eluded to the fact that she wished she had hooked up with Nadir instead of Luka. Here I go with the wild speculation, doing what I criticize others for doing!

I just read that Barbie says she never talked to Nadir again after they met up for the threesome and Nadir left to get smokes.

Personally though... I don't give what Barbie Swallows says much credit. I think she's just like Luka in a lot of ways...

 

[Sierra20]

It wouldn't have worked, and probably would have back-fired badly, and made things even worse (adding to LM's lament of being stalked, framed and persecuted). Vigilantism is never the answer.

The kitten killings were most likely done in Canada, so legally, how could the police have arrested him in the U.S?
And even *if* he would have been arrested in Canada, in all likelihood he would have served a few paltry months in jail.

Could it have been though that those few paltry months were enough to deter him from wanting to go back to prison again, then JL may still be alive... You never know, it could have saved JL's life.

 

[Sunday]

I just read that Barbie says she never talked to Nadir again after they met up for the threesome and Nadir left to get smokes.

Personally though... I don't give what Barbie Swallows says much credit. I think she's just like Luka in a lot of ways...

Yeah, I'm not sure why but Nina seems more credible than Barbie, but who really knows.

 

[pippirose]

Could it have been though that those few paltry months were enough to deter him from wanting to go back to prison again, then JL may still be alive... You never know, it could have saved JL's life.

Oh, it certainly could have. LM's "sexy" fantasy of what prison is like would have been quashed with harsh reality. Maybe it would've even given him the psychiatric help he needed--a sort of intervention.
We'll never know.
However, that is even more reason for professionals to understand how his (and other psychopaths) minds work, so that in the future, when their are red flags about other people (animal abusers, internet weirdos, etc), it will be taken more seriously.

 

[OEJ]

You really should read, it is on that link and I don't think I can post here due graphic content. This is not like Nina whom he had a relationship for a while and later became distant about intimacy. His 1st meeting with Barbie was for a threesome, they didn't know each other on a personal level at all, it should be just sex, Nader left and he kept going with Barbie only, yet Luka couldn't maintain himself aroused, he went to sleep after several failed attempts, she said. They got connected and was attracted to each other but I don't think this should affect his performance like that, do you think it is possible? I think it's way too extreme to have genuine feelings for a stranger enough to affect his performance. I even wondered if he could have schizoid sexuality or abused cocaine or other drugs. Read Barbie comment and you will see what i mean.

I have a couple of theories. He could have been sick of having sex all the time because of his work and just wanted to relax around intimates. Nina and Barbie had short term relationships with LM but they complained he didn't want to have sex very much.

Another thought is that LM had violent sexual fantasies and had a hard time performing without some level of violence even if just coercive.

It reminds me of the book, The Shoemaker, about a murderer named Joseph Kallinger, who said he could not perform with his wife unless he gripped a knife he had hidden by his bed and fantasized about stabbing women.

Okay, one more thought. It could be the closer he became with someone, the more it hooked his abandonment issues, the less he was able to perform.

If it's true Jun Lin had broken up with him, abandonment issues may have been one of the stressors leading up to the murder. I can see how badly it affected LM that the trainer (his alleged ex according to Barbie) would not "come out of the closet" and commit to him. LM's comments about the trainer on rip-off reports seemed, to me, to be designed to force his ex out of the closet in a really big way, and he just used Barbie's name as a way to back up his allegations.

For a person with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, having someone break up with you is a huge narcissistic injury which would lead to RAGING.

Sorry, I digressed there for a minute.

 

[Scientific]

Meth users tend to go through phases where they are "clean" and even while using they aren't always high. They tend to recognize it's not good to be on the stuff and so they fight their urges for a while. The fact that he couldn't maintain an erection at times does not have to mean that he was non-user overall. That said, if he'd been using meth all these years he would probably look a lot worse. He looks basically healthy in all the photos I've seen of him. And I'd guess that in his prison photos he's sleep-deprived, starved, stressed...so he wasn't looking his best that day--but still, not unhealthy.

Well, that rules out meth use! Doesn't meth lead to the everlasting erection?

 

[OEJ]

Meth users tend to go through phases where they are "clean" and even while using they aren't always high. They tend to recognize it's not good to be on the stuff and so they fight their urges for a while. The fact that he couldn't maintain an erection at times does not have to mean that he was non-user overall. That said, if he'd been using meth all these years he would probably look a lot worse. He looks basically healthy in all the photos I've seen of him. And I'd guess that in his prison photos he's sleep-deprived, starved, stressed...so he wasn't looking his best that day--but still, not unhealthy.

Yeah, I noticed when I lived in "Meth Town," I'll call it, after awhile, they all started looking alike. They also started getting strange facial grimaces and weird body movements. Some kind of neurological damage, I presume. On Google you can find comparison pics of what meth users looked like before and after. After several years, there is a very profound change. Just ghastly.

 

[Mozzmo]

I've read several posters at this point theorize about LM's erectile dysfunction. Was it drugs? Was he not into the person he was having sex with? Did he hate sex given he was a prostitute? I don't know the answer to this.... What I do wonder is how the heck did this guy make money as a prostitute? Every person that has come forward to date has said what an awful, ineffectual sexual partner he is/was....."a cold fish"..."wouldn't kiss"..."could not get an erection"..."no interest in sex". I'm thinking this guy must be a total bottom, and just rolled onto his stomach and let guys "pump and dump" ....leaving the $50 on the nite stand. You don't need a hardon for that, don't need to kiss if your laying on your stomach facing the other way, and you can just lay there like a dead fish washed upon the shore. I can't imagine how this would create "repeat" clients, unless they are into manikins or necrophillia. Granted, it's possible he had some clients who were into the fetish/s&m scene....and maybe ...MAYBE he was better at being an abused sex toy.... but I doubt that was as common of a "john" as someone wanting more "normative" sex.

 

[OEJ]

I've read several posters at this point theorize about LM's erectile dysfunction. Was it drugs? Was he not into the person he was having sex with? Did he hate sex given he was a prostitute? I don't know the answer to this.... What I do wonder is how the heck did this guy make money as a prostitute? Every person that has come forward to date has said what an awful, ineffectual sexual partner he is/was....."a cold fish"..."wouldn't kiss"..."no interest in sex". I'm thinking this guy must be a total bottom, and just rolled onto his stomach and let guys "pump and dump" ....leaving the $50 on the nite stand. You don't need a hardon for that, don't need to kiss if your laying on your stomach facing the other way, and you can just lay there like a dead fish washed upon the shore. I can't imagine how this would create "repeat" clients, unless they are into manikins or necrophillia. Granted, it's possible he had some clients who were into the fetish/s&m scene....and maybe ...MAYBE he was better at being an abused sex toy.... but I doubt that was as common of a "john" as someone wanting more "normative" sex.

I saw him in one of his *advertiser censored* movies. He was kind of stiff. He didn't want to kiss this much older man he called, "Daddy." He was able to function, though. He seemed pretty detached...just looking around the room at times.

 

[Shimmers]

I've read several posters at this point theorize about LM's erectile dysfunction. Was it drugs? Was he not into the person he was having sex with? Did he hate sex given he was a prostitute? I don't know the answer to this.... What I do wonder is how the heck did this guy make money as a prostitute? Every person that has come forward to date has said what an awful, ineffectual sexual partner he is/was....."a cold fish"..."wouldn't kiss"..."no interest in sex". I'm thinking this guy must be a total bottom, and just rolled onto his stomach and let guys "pump and dump" ....leaving the $50 on the nite stand. You don't need a hardon for that, don't need to kiss if your laying on your stomach facing the other way, and you can just lay there like a dead fish washed upon the shore. I can't imagine how this would create "repeat" clients, unless they are into manikins or necrophilla. Granted, it's possible he had some clients who were into the fetish/s&m scene....and maybe ...MAYBE he was better at being an abused sex toy.... but I doubt that was as common of a "john" as someone wanting more "normative" sex.

Note that we have just 1 review ( the dead fish one ) as an escort, 1 is from Nina ( in an interview she said he was a good lover, top and bottom, if i recall correctly ), 1 is from julie ( no sex at all ) and 1 is from Barbie ( also no sex ). I have to say that Julie and Barbie's statements are quite similair, so i don't know if they are the same or indeed 2 different testemonies. In the initial reports that's what i've been reading: just no sexual interest. Later it is stated that he had a problem with little luka sitting up straight. This is the order that i've remembered to have read. Please correct me if i'm wrong though!!! It might could be just a "smear campaign" to make him look even more bad then he already is. ( in the way --> he kills JL but he can't even make a "salute" with his little soldier ) i hope you understand what i mean.
I agree with you that it doesn't recuire a specal talent to moon in the air and wait for your 50 bucks, what could easily be the case.
Ofcourse this is all MHO

 

[Shimmers]

I saw him in one of his *advertiser censored* movies. He was kind of stiff. He didn't want to kiss this much older man he called, "Daddy." He was able to function, though. He seemed pretty detached...just looking around the room at times.

I never saw the actual multi oscar winning movie, but i've seen screenshots of this "daddy".... I wouldn't be that happy either if he was doing "giddy up" with me..... even if i need the money....

Sorry if i sound to harsh, but...... yikes no.....

 

[Sierra20]

My opinion is that LM could probably get an erection at work as a rent boy and in the *advertiser censored* business but he probably never found his "colleagues" (can you call them that?!!) very attractive, maybe some repulsed him even and he just felt forced to do it for the money. He probably did not want to associate sex with the people he did like and find attractive after that.

 

[writer7]

I didn't know we were disagreeing.

When I say someone is "born" a psychopath, I don't mean they are born a psychopathic killer. I mean, they are born with personality traits and deficits associated with psychopathy. But those traits do not necessarily mean they will become criminals or serial killers. They can become any number of things, but most often, they end up in professions associated with power and prestige (law or banking).

I think the evidence of a genetic basis for psychopathy is pretty much established. How that genetic basis "interacts" with environmental factors is still being researched. For example, almost without exception, children diagnosed with a certain kind of conduct disorder called "callous unemotional" conduct disorder, go on to become adult psychopaths. But not all psychopaths could be classified as callous unemotional CD as children, suggesting other factors.

Here's a quote from a very recent (May of this year) piece in the New York Times called "Can You Call a 9-Year-Old a Psychopath?", about this conduct disorder in children, and psychopathy:



It's an excellent read, and very well balanced piece. I invite others to check it out:

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/m...a-9-year-old-a-psychopath.html?pagewanted=all

Part of the problem, is how psychopathy shares a number of common traits with other disorders, like sociopaths, anti-personality disorder.

Beth Thomas is a great example. She was not psychopathic. Rather, she was a child who suffered from RAD -- reactive attachment disorder, common among children who are severely abused at an early age, and thus become unable to form any kind of relationship with other people; until receiving treatment, she exhibited typical traits of psychopaths: inability to empathize with others. Lack of a conscience, etc.

That is a fascinating article! I was a strange child, and I believe I inherited what we've always called my 'mean streak', which sounds very much like the manipulative abilities these kids have. Don't worry... I worked all this out by the end of teenage years, but man I have talent for ice cold manipulation if I put my mind to it. I absolutely don't now!

I always had empathy for animals and nice or weak people, btw. That might be a different part of the brain? So in my case, I'd just go overboard protecting the underdog, or I'd be stunningly cruel to a teacher treating us unfairly, etc. I didn't realize that it was unnatural or bizarre until adults would get the strangest, scared look on their faces. That face could well be motivation for other kids with these 'talents'. It's all very interesting, I think!

I still don't know how you can add in the empathy part . You don't manipulate someone you have empathy for, and so the sneakiness and manipulative abilities aren't necessarily what I would focus on. It's the caring part that's key, imho.

 

[Shimmers]

My opinion is that LM could probably get an erection at work as a rent boy and in the *advertiser censored* business but he probably never found his "colleagues" (can you call them that?!!) very attractive, maybe some repulsed him even and he just felt forced to do it for the money. He probably did not want to associate sex with the people he did like and find attractive after that.

There is some statement that he wanted to experience love on a different level/way. This is not the actual quite though, but it was along those similair lines. One could make up out of it, that he didn't want to mix love ( the feeling ) and sex ( his work ). But ofcourse, like almost everything about him , is open for debate. Maybe i find that particular statement later on... then i would link it...

 

[Mozzmo]

My opinion is that LM could probably get an erection at work as a rent boy and in the *advertiser censored* business but he probably never found his "colleagues" (can you call them that?!!) very attractive, maybe some repulsed him even and he just felt forced to do it for the money. He probably did not want to associate sex with the people he did like and find attractive after that.

I have gone and watched some *advertiser censored* he made...a 3way with two dudes close to his age. In the vignette he is awkward and unnatural. He manages to get an erection but is only able to orgasm by jacking himself off in what appears to be a vigorous and protracted effort. So yeah, he could get it up but it is obvious he's awkward in his sexual interactions.

I agree with your point that he could just have been turned off with sex in general given he associated it with the disgust of his prostitution. STILL...I am unclear how he was able to succeed as an escort. Mind you, "success" doesn't mean lots of money....by all appearances it looks like he "subsisted", having low income, bankrupcy, fraud, and a vagabond lifestyle. Maybe that is my answer...he was a bad lay...wasn't a good escort and made little money! :giggle: