COMMERCIAL - Part 2
Again, Dave talking. This new lead reminds me of old leads. We've got to follow all leads, and we do. Nov 22,2007 boat search, (FBI testing of clothing in crabtrap).. nov 2010 Jawbone...etc.
2010 DS (ED: Feb 10th 2017) dad died of heart attack on resort tennis court. The media started to question how this would affect the case. Since father protected his son, he was outta control, and soon after that contacted Beth atty in New York, and said for $250,000 said he would tell where the body was. He gave an agent, posing as a family representative, a location that later turned out to be false. He was indicted for extortion and wire fraud. ← Media Clips.
He used that money to fund his trip to Peru for 3 weeks, blew all his money, and 5 years to the day Natalee was killed he was back in the news that he had killed Stephany Flores.
[More media clips about how VDS confessed to Stephany … and Dave talks about Aruba had their shot to arrest him after the extortion]
After his father died, he hooked up with a guy named John as his main support. He even appeared on the Nancy Grace show defending VDS after he killed Stephany. [Shows clips of John saying he hope he gets out in ten years or less etc]
This guy Gabriel contacted me a few months back who said he knew a guy by the name of John, and he has some information that he knows where the remains of Natalee are. The fact that all the other leads were based on theories or speculation, this is first lead we have a person that states he knows someone directly involved with VDS and disposing of Natalees remains. And I thought, you know, maybe there is something to this. So I picked up the phone and I called TJ .
“My name is TJ Ward, and I'm a licensed private investigator here in the State of ? and I've been doing this for 36 years. In July of 2005, I commenced an investigation and was hired by the Holloway family to try to find their daughter, Natalee Holloway. [Old media clip...This is not a traffic ticket, this is a criminal investigation which will probably lead to murder...] and I haven't stopped working on it for 12 years now”.
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Feb 7, 2017 Dave heads to Florida to meet Gabriel for the first time. Heading to Tampa .
Dave was contacted by Gabriel about John.
TJ believes what Gabriel said in an interview on May 29, 2016. In this interview, Gabriel says he knows John Ludwick, through another friend, that says he just bumped into him because I play a lot of poker. TJ asks Gabriel in this interview if he thinks John is being truthful, and he replies “It's 100%”
TJ says we started to gather information about John Ludwick, and we know he was in Aruba in 2010 as I've seen his passport. Gabriel wants to give closure to Dave and his family.
Dave talks about how he needs to continue searching and he just can't quit. How he has chased a lot of leads and how this is the most credible one.
… back to Feb 7 2017 Tampa Florida trip that Dave is taking to Tampa. TJ talks that Gabriel has gathered a lot of information. And TJ believes him, and says there is too much detail to not follow up. TJ shows John the May 29 interview with Gabriel
G. [referring to conversation with John] One day he goes, you know what, I want to get something off my chest. He goes have you ever seen me on tv? I go nope. Do you know the Natalee Holloway case and I said yes I do know. Do you know who this guy is, VDS? Nope. John told me he bumped into this guy VDS, and then they start hanging. Every single day, every single night. And one day he spilled the beans. He said that Natalee went to the beach with me, and He said she was foaming at the mouth, and he couldn't wake her up, and I tried and tried and tried as I was holding her and I called my dad, then him and his dad buried the body. And John goes what is going on.. and he goes I'll pay you $1,500 if you dig body up. I'm gonna take you, and we're gonna show you exactly where the body is at. He uncovered body in national forest, got cremated, and then in ocean. That is what John told me.
Dave talking...I don't know if I can handle if I find out this is all a hoax
Now back to Feb 8 2017 in Tampa where Dave meets with Gabriel
Gabriel says he's a father to 2 daughters and want to help.TJ wants to have Gabriel get evidence to turn over to the Aruba police
Gabriel knew John for 3 ½ -4 years before he opened up. I wasn't sure in the beginning but he told me more and more. He told me he went to Aruba cause he has an aunt living there. In Jan or Feb of 2010, he was walking into a store and bumped into VDS and he said “oh my God, I've seen you on tv blah blah blah I'd like to be your friend and then they started partying. So as VDS is getting more comfortable with him, he starts opening up to John.
He said night that she died“We got a ride to the hotel, walked to the beach on road by the Marriott, (not fisherman's hut)... he asked bartender for two drinks, two drinks and make it good. [Dave says I think he gave her GHB in an interjected shot] VDS says that as he was trying to kiss her, She was foaming in mouth, cause she was overdosing, and he panicked, he didn't even put her on her side or roll her over, she choked on her own vomit.
Dave asks if she died on her own, why did he try to cover it up if it was an accident. Gabriel says was scared. Dave mentions perhaps because of the GHB, and Gabriel says he did that with other girls. He called dad, dad was pissed. Dad went back to house and got burlap, doesn't fit, stomps on legs to crack her legs, and puts in burlap bag and folds her over and take in his car and takes to park, and covered with cactus. And dad says to not tell anyone. She died within 2 or three hours.
One day he says, look John they are going to find the body, I'll give you $1,500. He thought they were getting to close.. I'm going to write up a map . And was 3 eet down, and had decaying smell, I put the bag in my aunts car, and the bones were moldy and smelled, and 2 inches of black lard. And her long hair and bones were there. VDS had connections to morgue...and all the bones. J takes it and got cremated..goes back to VDS, and it was low tide and spread the ashes.
Gabriel says DNA should be DNA in aunts car carpet and where buried in national park.
Gabriel says it must be true as you cannot make this stuff up. You need to meet this guy as he … (lost a minute or two)
Q So you are 100% and no questions about it that what he says is true?
A. I'm 100%. There was police officials, there was judges, everybody who owns a little bit of the island had a part of this.
Q. So Deepak and Satish, the ones who were driving the car, any involvement on them
A. No
Q. What about police officers, did he name any names?
A. No, he says the police officers there are crooked. Very crooked. And he said they had to do a lot to cover it up, to save ?'s [ED. Sounded like Dennis' , but don't know that name so putting ?] dad. So whatever they had to do to help him, they did. But the mistake was, the ?bannister did, his dad said never tell, never tell nobody, but he told John.
Q. Let's just say this all rolls out as planned, and there is some DNA extracted. Then John goes to jail for a number of years. You think he'd ever retaliate against you or anyone else?
A. I know he would try to come after me. I'm going to do whatever I have to do to get this guy.
Gabriel said oh said if anyone ever backstabs me I will kill them. When this goes down, he'll hate me and when he gets out he'll hate me. But I'm ain't scared.
Inteview over...