ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #11

[neesaki]

I take that as meaning that he didn't give an official police statement and surprised that police didn't take an official statement from him.

Someone in LE saying to him on the beach that GG was drunk isn't the same as giving a police statement to investigators.

JMHO

This would have been the day that GG reported Robyn missing, at which time ALE were still under the assumption it was nothing more than an accidental drowning.

That is at least my understanding as to why they did not officially interview/question Mr. Silva at that particular time. Mr. Silva just happened to be there, observing everything that was going on. Maybe the one and only on the spot eye witness, that witnessed GG & Robyn, before, during and after, plus witnessed first hand what was happening immediately after Robyn disappeared after ALE and rescuers arrived on the scene. :twocents:

 

[neesaki]

I guess it really doesn't matter if there was one fisherman or three... one witness or four

Whatever they said to LE, if anything ,produced no evidence to charge GG

Well, they didn't actually witness him drowning, or choking or beating her, etc. I guess that's enough "no evidence"..... :sigh:

 

[neesaki]

Up thread it is said she was a strong swimmer

I remember her boyfriend, RF and maybe even her brother (not so sure) claimed that Robyn was a strong swimmer. But I'm no sure that was taking into consideration ocean waters versus say just a swimming pool. Two totally different circumstances. :dunno:

 

[neesaki]

I'm sorry but I am not going to rely on reports and hearsay about fisherman witness's and statements that were made to reporters and not to LE and every link you put up either does not contain the information that is being discussed or will not open and stuff is in the facts section that is hearsay and unconfirmed but said by reporters as info they got from "a witness" that is not fact. jmo

Well, then if that is the case, then the fact is we have no facts. We have zero, zilch, nada. It is unfortunate, but Aruba LE have not been forthcoming whatsoever with any true facts on this case. So the fact is, without the MSM, we really have nothing so we might as well just close up shop and go home if that is what everyone thinks. As far as links, I have found plenty that still work. jmo

 

[neesaki]

if the part about the chin and shin are by the unsubstantiated witness's did that have to be said. just asking. tia

What is substantiated and what is not? What is this all about anyway? We have no "substantiated" anything. That's just the hard and true facts of this case. We. Have. Nothing.

So we accept what we do have, and we do the best we can with it. JMO

 

[neesaki]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147699&page=5


Post 148
I knew I had seen this before
Wish there was a link

This? I know I must be missing something, but what? :waitasec:

Yeah, her own daughter. Not the one who was on the show, a different name. The daughter is apparently posting under her 18 month old child's name talking crap to the mother. I have a feeling that daughter could share some interesting tales. lol

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[neesaki]

Lambchop:I guess I'm more inclined to believe 3 or 4 people who said GG and RG left in their rental car than I am to believe that they were there all the time on the beach as GG has stated.

Lambchop:When it comes to LE I don't think most people would volunteer a statement (and it appears they did all came forward voluntarily) and then lie about it.
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You stated that 3 to 4 people saw GG and RG leave in the rental car and i am still trying to figure out who else saw this besides Mr.Silva? I think there is confusion on the multiple reports about this same person who many do not name "Mr Silva" Lets please stick to the facts as he is the only person who says this.

Yes he would be a crucial witness if he is indeed telling the truth.

Can you please tell me what you meant by "and then lie about it"? Thank you

I think Lambchops means why would Mr. Silva, who was there at the scene following Robyn's disappearance, or so it seems, lie about what he had witnessed to anyone? Whether it be ALE, reporters, etc. ?

As far as the other fisherman witnesses, I am not sure they have been substantiated. But then, sadly, nothing has. jmo

 

[neesaki]

Elley Mae,

IMOO---You are absolutely right in this line of thinking! Thanks

So now MSM is the National Enquirer? :woohoo:

One question. What does that leave us with ?

 

[Dushi]

This? I know I must be missing something, but what? :waitasec:

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If I got the post # wrong, my sincere apologies

I will go back and find the correct one

I was referring to the fact that it was reported that the toupee story was untrue, the news reported that he did not change them to hide his identity


Post 124

Watched JVM tonight. Martin Savidge reported that the story of GG having multiple toupees with him is false, GG was traveling with just the one he was wearing.

 

[Elley Mae]

listen to what is said by sergio, not one time does he insinuate wrong doing on gg's part as far as rg being missing, just a wrong way driver. jmo

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aruba-mystery-eyewitness-describes-scene-beach-14386651

I guess my question is: did sergio really see robyn or did he just assume it was robyn in the wrong way suv?

 

[Dushi]

listen to what is said by sergio, not one time does he insinuate wrong doing on gg's part as far as rg being missing, just a wrong way driver. jmo

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aruba-mystery-eyewitness-describes-scene-beach-14386651

I guess my question is: did sergio really see robyn or did he just assume it was robyn in the wrong way suv?

He says he saw them leave the restaurant in a rental car

I thought the windows were tinted , but maybe he saw them through the windshield?

 

[Dushi]

GRACE: OK, to Alexis Weed, our producer on the story. Alexis, now odd reports that this guy had some kind of very unusual fixation on Natalee Holloway. What do you know?

ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. This is being reported by "The National Enquirer." They`re saying that an unnamed person was questioned by the FBI. This unnamed person claims that the FBI was very interested in finding out whether Giordano had an unusual fixation, a fascination with the Natalee Holloway case.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/17/ng.01.html

 

[Dushi]

DIAZ: Now, there were also reports of a bloody hand print, but Taco Stein is backing off from that claim now.

Martin Savidge, I want to go back to you very, very quickly. What about that bloody hand print? Is it rumor or real?

SAVIDGE: No, it appears at this point it is not real. Authorities really are playing that down. They say it never existed. Unfortunately, if it had existed, that could have been a key piece of evidence. Of course, one, it could have indicated that you really had a strong sense of foul play. Also if you could check it with DNA you could have perhaps learned a lot.

But they say no; that was not the case. Same with what was described as an unused condom. That also has not been found.

There is a lot of misinformation you will find on this island which is why the reporting has to be very careful. There were reports that Giordano would wear different toupees to try to confuse the security cameras that maybe watching him at any different time. Authorities have laughed that off and said that`s just not the case. He has one toupee and he wasn`t doing anything like that.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/22/ijvm.01.html

 

[neesaki]

Current you show can be hard to swim. I know from fisherman telling young people do not swim in this part.

Yesterday, I go to place where this couple say to be in the water and not a nice place to swim. People go to Baby Beach. It is very close to this place. You can see Baby Beach. So I ask, why go in the sea at this place? A question only.

Also, you can see Rodgers Beach close to refinery. A nice place to swim and not so many people there because tourists think the refinery ugly. Not important. Water calm, sand nice. Look to west and south, nice view.

Very strange to go in the sea over rocks. But, I talk to some people say when they go, the wind very small and no waves. Maybe it look better that day? A question only.

IS

"to Kite to fly"

Thank you for your insight as a local there in Aruba. Several of us here have asked these same questions that you ask.

Why would they go in the sea at that place that is not known for safe swimming conditions, when the safe Baby Beach was right beside it.
And I so agree with you, it is very strange that they would go in the sea over all those rocks.

Why make that long drive two straight days to that same area ?

By the way, since you are local, have you possibly heard of any witness that ever saw them actually go in the ocean?
Or, any witness that said they did not get in the ocean?

Thank you Islandsurfer, hope you stay in touch. :seeya:

 

[Blueskies]

I have a problem with these witnesses for a couple of reasons. What kind of people would witness a man beating a woman in the face and beating her so violently that the car rocked and do nothing? Not call LE, get a license plate #? Terrible.

The 3 NE stories are completely made up. No accomplice with tattoos,No death threat and abuse in the elevator and no beating and burial at the dog graves. None of this is true whatsoever. Just because blogs and other online tabloids keep repeating this as part of the story it doesnt make it true. The source is one person John Blosser at the National Enquirer and he is FOS.JMHO

Now the witnesses we heard about that saw them at the beach,restaurant,hotel,dive shop,cafe and elsewhere is a entirely different matter. As far as I know the last place they were seen was walking by the rocky area after leaving the cafe. No one saw them go in the water and apparently no one saw them leave in the car either. Unless you believe Mr.Silva and in my opinion you have every right to since he did tell his story on National TV.

 

[Dushi]

The 3 NE stories are completely made up. No accomplice with tattoos,No death threat and abuse in the elevator and no beating and burial at the dog graves. None of this is true whatsoever. Just because blogs and other online tabloids keep repeating this as part of the story it doesnt make it true. The source is one person John Blosser at the National Enquirer and he is FOS.JMHO

Now the witnesses we heard about that saw them at the beach,restaurant,hotel,dive shop,cafe and elsewhere is a entirely different matter. As far as I know the last place they were seen was walking by the rocky area after leaving the cafe. No one saw them go in the water and apparently no one saw them leave in the car either. Unless you believe Mr.Silva and in my opinion you have every right to since he did tell his story on National TV.

Is Mr, Silva the only witness to them leaving?
This has gone on so long, I forget more everyday

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Well, then if that is the case, then the fact is we have no facts. We have zero, zilch, nada. It is unfortunate, but Aruba LE have not been forthcoming whatsoever with any true facts on this case. So the fact is, without the MSM, we really have nothing so we might as well just close up shop and go home if that is what everyone thinks. As far as links, I have found plenty that still work. jmo

What is substantiated and what is not? What is this all about anyway? We have no "substantiated" anything. That's just the hard and true facts of this case. We. Have. Nothing.

So we accept what we do have, and we do the best we can with it. JMO[/QUOTE

Neesaki,

I hear the frustration in your post. I don't think any of us want this case to go away, especially if a crime was committed. Here is the problem as I see it. Is it really fair for us to use unsubstantiated reports made by the MSM to keep this case alive on WS. The MSM depends on readership and viewership. If they are not getting anything out of LE they will go wherever "a story" takes them--They are free to print whatever they can , while covering themselves with words like, "sources within LE"-"a source close to the case"--"a spokesperson" etc. Well that can mean anything or anyone.

Can't we start by using some of the following facts--Add more facts--I know I missed a bunch, LOL

RG went missing in Aruba August 2, 2011.
The last person to see her was her travel companion GR
His story is they were snorkeling and she disappeared
GG is the main suspect because he was with her when she disappeared
GG was held as long as ALE could hold him without charging him
GG was interviewed extensively by the U.S. media
GG and RG had insurance policies for their trip--GG had a 1.5 million dollar one on RG
Her signature was NOT forged.
They rented a white suv , they visited the Rum Reef 2 days in a row, they partied with hundreds of people Monday nite at a party,RG sent several text messages to RG--who was under the assumption she was with her family in Florida.
There is video of RG and GG leaving the Rum Reef the day of her disappearance/ time stamped.
There was video of GG (time stamped) after RG disappeared.
They stayed at a hotel
Sleeping pills were found in their room prescribed for RG.
There were "beyond pornographic" eeeewwwww photos of them both with GG body parts.
RG wore the same dress (her favorite) on separate days at the Rum Reef


Anything said during various interviews are fair game for review (because the public got that info 1st hand from the particular person)
Taco Stein,Mr. Silva, Robert Forrester, Robyns roommate, women that KNEW GG, etc. --have been seen and heard from.

If the ALE, FBI, MSP, or any other LEA have a press conference -that would be first hand knowledge open for discussion.

Of course I envoke the MOO :moo:Cow!

 

[Dushi]

The facts are good!!

especially if backed up with a credible link

If we go by memory, often we change the wording slightly and the whole message changes

 

[Blueskies]

Is Mr, Silva the only witness to them leaving?
This has gone on so long, I forget more everyday

Yes he is

 

[Elley Mae]

august 2nd iirc not the 12th