ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 6

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Did he tell you why the Natural bridge collapsed?

According to him, its because of bike week... the motorcycles...

Vadir has a theory about everything

I would really have a difficult time believing him, JMO

No, that didn't come up. According to him, RG is not in the water and most likely alive but not on Aruba and it is at the hands of GG. He also said, he feels that when GG is released (feels they won't be able to hold him or get a conviction) this will happen more and more in Aruba. He didn't have much more to say on this topic - but what I found most strange is that he initiated the conversation where most locals won't talk about it at all.

He really wanted to discuss NH but never mentioned his run in with BH.

A lot of chat about his feelings about the ALE.
 
Do we know if this is an accurate report or where it comes from? If so, what do we know, if anything, about this "fight" between GG and RF?

The fight was between RG and RF. Not much known about it, to my knowledge. Not sure how it became GG and RF - there is no info like that I have seen.
 
What a great name==Taco Stein. I love that name. [sorry for the OT]
 
No, that didn't come up. According to him, RG is not in the water and most likely alive but not on Aruba and it is at the hands of GG. He also said, he feels that when GG is released (feels they won't be able to hold him or get a conviction) this will happen more and more in Aruba. He didn't have much more to say on this topic - but what I found most strange is that he initiated the conversation where most locals won't talk about it at all.

He really wanted to discuss NH but never mentioned his run in with BH.

A lot of chat about his feelings about the ALE.

Even if Aruba releases him they are waiting for him in Maryland. The Aruban authorities would be sharing information they have found with the FBI, IMO. I don't think RG is anywhere but in that water and I think GG expected her drowned body to be found because he knows she went into the water and he made sure she did not come out. jmo
 
Is this odd to anyone besides me?.........

Haha, let me explain, neesaki. I typed a comment and posted it (late at night I might add, never a great idea for me). I continued to read other news awhile, then went back and reread my post, wished I had not posted it, but could no longer delete it from my phone, which has very limited capacity unlike the computer. So I simply "erased" everything I had typed but you have to leave SOMETHING in the post or it reverts back to what you originally posted. So I asked for it to be deleted altogether. I've only had to do that one other time. A kind mod deleted it for me without comment.

I LOVE our wonderful mods here at WS!!!
 
Sounds like he is smoking more than he is dealing. lol

How likely is it a woman could be held captive? I think about zero. Very small island and everyone knows everhyone else's business. GG did not know anyone on the island and the Arubans are not into human trafficing, it would be very bad for business considering Aruba's main income is tourism. jmo

People are held captive and undetected in many surprising places. While the most commonly known ones are women forced into prostitution and end up even street-walking in the open without being "found", some are minors and some are male. Websleuth's forums are full of people kidnapped who are never found, yet the ones that ARE found absolutely prove to us how easily a person can be held captive almost in the open.

Just one example of many is Shawn Hornsby, who was held captive for years by a man who managed a pizza restaurant in the St. Louis area. His captor saw people just about every day and Shawn was held in an apartment complex with people all around him. People knew he was there, they just didn't know he was THE kidnapped Shawn Hornsby, even though there wasn't even any attempt to change his appearance.

Many years ago I worked with endangered and abused girls. Their lives changed my knowledge of the world. One girl was in the sixth grade when she was abducted from a neighborhood convenience store/ gas station by an over-the-road truck driver. Her girlfriend escaped before he got her into the truck and she screamed for help immediately. Yet this girl was not found and after she had been missing for six months, her parents were being 'counseled' as to her likely demise. Then they got the miraculous call that she had been found, running down the median of an interstate naked in the middle of the night! Drugged heavily and passed from truck to truck in the night for six months, kept naked and nearly unconscious during the days so as to keep her hidden, the truck she was in had slowed for a wreck ahead and she had kicked the door open and rolled out onto the highway, got up and ran screaming naked into the traffic moving in the opposite direction. Luckily, it was an HONEST person who picked her up and called 911. It very well COULD have been another sicko trucker, ending with her bones and teeth being found years later, as happens way too often. There were MANY truckers complicit with this ONE girl. I have no doubt there have been many many many such girls over the years. And yes, I knew her, worked closely with her and her mother for a year after she was recovered .

The point of this true story is that there are MANY truckers out there who had this girl and I bet NO ONE that knew these men in their personal lives would ever believe they were capable of such. The world is full of naive innocent folks who have yet to discover just how seriously sick some people are and this makes them, unfortunately, gullible.

These monsters WALK AMONG US disguised as human beings, helping neighbors carry groceries, taking children to ballgames, being elders of their churches, managing restaurants, practicing medicine, selling fertilizer, and even working in law enforcement. Examples of all of these are right here at Websleuths.

I understand Aruba is a small island of close community. However, there are any number of places a person could be held without detection, right under the nose of innocent UNSUSPECTING folks. Shawn Hornsby was surrounded for years by UNSUSPECTING folk. It only took ONE suspicious person to save his life!!! The same can be said of Dylan's sister Shasta. Just ONE, willing to look at things differently and DO SOMETHING about it. God love them for that.

Don't EVER believe a person could not easily be held captive, given unfathomable evil.

That said, I still believe it is more likely GG is the guilty one here. I just wonder if he's been double crossed and outsmarted, being that her body, and thereby his ticket to money and freedom, has not washed ashore.
 
People are held captive and undetected in many surprising places. While the most commonly known ones are women forced into prostitution and end up even street-walking in the open without being "found", some are minors and some are male. Websleuth's forums are full of people kidnapped who are never found, yet the ones that ARE found absolutely prove to us how easily a person can be held captive almost in the open.

Just one example of many is Shawn Hornsby, who was held captive for years by a man who managed a pizza restaurant in the St. Louis area. His captor saw people just about every day and Shawn was held in an apartment complex with people all around him. People knew he was there, they just didn't know he was THE kidnapped Shawn Hornsby, even though there wasn't even any attempt to change his appearance.

Many years ago I worked with endangered and abused girls. Their lives changed my knowledge of the world. One girl was in the sixth grade when she was abducted from a neighborhood convenience store/ gas station by an over-the-road truck driver. Her girlfriend escaped before he got her into the truck and she screamed for help immediately. Yet this girl was not found and after she had been missing for six months, her parents were being 'counseled' as to her likely demise. Then they got the miraculous call that she had been found, running down the median of an interstate naked in the middle of the night! Drugged heavily and passed from truck to truck in the night for six months, kept naked and nearly unconscious during the days so as to keep her hidden, the truck she was in had slowed for a wreck ahead and she had kicked the door open and rolled out onto the highway, got up and ran screaming naked into the traffic moving in the opposite direction. Luckily, it was an HONEST person who picked her up and called 911. It very well COULD have been another sicko trucker, ending with her bones and teeth being found years later, as happens way too often. There were MANY truckers complicit with this ONE girl. I have no doubt there have been many many many such girls over the years. And yes, I knew her, worked closely with her and her mother for a year after she was recovered .

The point of this true story is that there are MANY truckers out there who had this girl and I bet NO ONE that knew these men in their personal lives would ever believe they were capable of such. The world is full of naive innocent folks who have yet to discover just how seriously sick some people are and this makes them, unfortunately, gullible.

These monsters WALK AMONG US disguised as human beings, helping neighbors carry groceries, taking children to ballgames, being elders of their churches, managing restaurants, practicing medicine, selling fertilizer, and even working in law enforcement. Examples of all of these are right here at Websleuths.

I understand Aruba is a small island of close community. However, there are any number of places a person could be held without detection, right under the nose of innocent UNSUSPECTING folks. Shawn Hornsby was surrounded for years by UNSUSPECTING folk. It only took ONE suspicious person to save his life!!! The same can be said of Dylan's sister Shasta. Just ONE, willing to look at things differently and DO SOMETHING about it. God love them for that.

Don't EVER believe a person could not easily be held captive, given unfathomable evil.

That said, I still believe it is more likely GG is the guilty one here. I just wonder if he's been double crossed and outsmarted, being that her body, and thereby his ticket to money and freedom, has not washed ashore.

Unless you have been to Aruba you can never understand why it would be very difficult to keep someone there without people knowing about it. It would serve no purpose. They have females escorts if you chose to have one for the night. There are no basements, crawl spaces and frankly no reason to ever deal with that type of trade in Aruba. It's not Mexico or South America. All Arubans have jobs. There are so many jobs there they have to bring people in from other countries to do the menial tasks that Arubans do not want to do.

It is a beautiful island where tourism is their main income. If there was a hint that this was going on it would be nipped in the bud immediately. That type of press they do not need. Some of the other islands I've been to in the Caribbean I might believe it is possible. But Aruba I do not see it.

For one thing there are more tourist on that island than natives half the time and some are visiting single girls who are looking for a good time and no reports of missing woman (other than NH) has been reported. If this were that type of island girls would be disappearing all the time.

Plus RG was 35 years old with a huge tattoo on her arm. Not someone who would be easy to hide. The Aruban's have their homes and many are not large that are shared with family members. Most do not have sheds (as if in that heat you could keep someone in a shed because they would be dead within hours).

Aruba is not a poor country by any means. They all have homes and cars and dress professionally when they are working. Certainly not a community that would put up with that sort of nonsense. jmo
 
Haha, let me explain, neesaki. I typed a comment and posted it (late at night I might add, never a great idea for me). I continued to read other news awhile, then went back and reread my post, wished I had not posted it, but could no longer delete it from my phone, which has very limited capacity unlike the computer. So I simply "erased" everything I had typed but you have to leave SOMETHING in the post or it reverts back to what you originally posted. So I asked for it to be deleted altogether. I've only had to do that one other time. A kind mod deleted it for me without comment.

I LOVE our wonderful mods here at WS!!!

Hey, no big deal just curious, and yes, the mods here are awesome! :)
 
Unless you have been to Aruba you can never understand why it would be very difficult to keep someone there without people knowing about it. It would serve no purpose. They have females escorts if you chose to have one for the night. There are no basements, crawl spaces and frankly no reason to ever deal with that type of trade in Aruba. It's not Mexico or South America. All Arubans have jobs. There are so many jobs there they have to bring people in from other countries to do the menial tasks that Arubans do not want to do.

It is a beautiful island where tourism is their main income. If there was a hint that this was going on it would be nipped in the bud immediately. That type of press they do not need. Some of the other islands I've been to in the Caribbean I might believe it is possible. But Aruba I do not see it.

For one thing there are more tourist on that island than natives half the time and some are visiting single girls who are looking for a good time and no reports of missing woman (other than NH) has been reported. If this were that type of island girls would be disappearing all the time.

Plus RG was 35 years old with a huge tattoo on her arm. Not someone who would be easy to hide. The Aruban's have their homes and many are not large that are shared with family members. Most do not have sheds (as if in that heat you could keep someone in a shed because they would be dead within hours).

Aruba is not a poor country by any means. They all have homes and cars and dress professionally when they are working. Certainly not a community that would put up with that sort of nonsense. jmo

Thanks for your many observations. It's so nice to have someone posting here who knows Aruba and is helping us "see" things better.

In my experience, it is actually easier to conceal a person in higher value, more luxurious housing and areas than in poor areas and primitive sheds. Access can MUCH more easily be controlled and people are MUCH less likely to be suspicious. Also, twisted sex crimes are very much about control. I don't see RG being held in a poverty ridden area at all but rather in a home or penthouse high rise, something more on the scale of GG's digs back in the states. In fact, if you think about it, it would be quite easy for GG to have held a woman captive in his home there. Don't think it would be hard at all, given restraints, security measures, drugs, and maybe paralyzing fear. This is true ESPECIALLY if he dressed professionally and drove a nice car, hahaha, in essence "hiding in the open" where no one would suspect.

These monsters tend to think they are cleverly flying under radar. Think Dennis Rader, the self-styled BTK, being President of his church and sneaking out of his boy scout camp to kill, then returning to his tent before morning. Who would have EVER guessed? I'm betting there are lots of boy scouts, other leaders, and church members who will never recover from the shock. Their innocence and propensity to assume ANYTHING came to a brutal screeching halt in short order.

The fact that there are easily available prostitutes in Aruba and that the community at large would not "put up with" kidnappings does not impress me as reasons why this type of crime could not happen there. In fact, rapes and disappearances DO happen and it is not a personal black mark against Aruba. The same can be said about many places in the states also. The citizens at large are not responsible for "allowing" the individual crime, nor could they prevent it. It is how it is handled AFTER the fact that the eyes of the world are focused upon.
 
Thanks for your many observations. It's so nice to have someone posting here who knows Aruba and is helping us "see" things better.

In my experience, it is actually easier to conceal a person in higher value, more luxurious housing and areas than in poor areas and primitive sheds. Access can MUCH more easily be controlled and people are MUCH less likely to be suspicious. Also, twisted sex crimes are very much about control. I don't see RG being held in a poverty ridden area at all but rather in a home or penthouse high rise, something more on the scale of GG's digs back in the states. In fact, if you think about it, it would be quite easy for GG to have held a woman captive in his home there. Don't think it would be hard at all, given restraints, security measures, drugs, and maybe paralyzing fear. This is true ESPECIALLY if he dressed professionally and drove a nice car, hahaha, in essence "hiding in the open" where no one would suspect.

These monsters tend to think they are cleverly flying under radar. Think Dennis Rader, the self-styled BTK, being President of his church and sneaking out of his boy scout camp to kill, then returning to his tent before morning. Who would have EVER guessed? I'm betting there are lots of boy scouts, other leaders, and church members who will never recover from the shock. Their innocence and propensity to assume ANYTHING came to a brutal screeching halt in short order.

The fact that there are easily available prostitutes in Aruba and that the community at large would not "put up with" kidnappings does not impress me as reasons why this type of crime could not happen there. In fact, rapes and disappearances DO happen and it is not a personal black mark against Aruba. The same can be said about many places in the states also. The citizens at large are not responsible for "allowing" the individual crime, nor could they prevent it. It is how it is handled AFTER the fact that the eyes of the world are focused upon.

There are no high rise apartments in Aruba. Anything high rise is a hotel. You can't apply what happens here to Aruba because the environment is such that it does not provide the opportunity for the type of activities we have here in the states. Unless you have a link providing details on all the rapes and disappearances in Aruba than you are speculating on what actually happens there.

It is easy to speculate when you do not have all the facts and I don't have them all either but I do know that what you are suggesting in terms hiding someone in Aruba, while anything is possible, it is highly unlikely because there is literally no place to hide anyone without someone knowing. And it's not as if the police do not know everyone. Compared to the native population there are far more police than would be necessary if it was not for the tourists.

Unfortunately people do drown in Aruba every year. They do not listen when told not to go out into certain areas and they drown.

Aruba could be compared to being like a small gated community in the US. If you were to have an affair with your neighbor's spouse it would be all over the community before you could make a pot of coffee in the morning. Word travels that fast. lol jmo
 
NE has been busy.....
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW! Swinger invited to join tragic ROBYN GARDNER in Aruba by sex-crazed murder suspect—HOW she escaped death! “I just thank God I’m still alive!”

That’s what self-admitted swinger Rebecca Toring told The ENQUIRER in a bombshell world exclusive interview while detailing how she cheated death at the hands of Gary Giordano – the fiend imprisoned in Aruba on suspicion of killing blonde beauty Robyn Gardner for a $1.5 million insurance payoff.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/aru...trap-excusive-interview-it-could-have-been-me
 
NE has been busy.....
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW! Swinger invited to join tragic ROBYN GARDNER in Aruba by sex-crazed murder suspect—HOW she escaped death! “I just thank God I’m still alive!”

That’s what self-admitted swinger Rebecca Toring told The ENQUIRER in a bombshell world exclusive interview while detailing how she cheated death at the hands of Gary Giordano – the fiend imprisoned in Aruba on suspicion of killing blonde beauty Robyn Gardner for a $1.5 million insurance payoff.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/aru...trap-excusive-interview-it-could-have-been-me


Hm. Damn. I guess this kind of lends support to some of the other things that have been floated out there, eg, "swinger" activities. What a creep.
 
I've read that he had a little rubber raft that he ran drugs with.

The little rubber raft was used to ferry tourists from one location to another to do water sports.
That was his job, he worked for a water sports company.

I don't know if he used it for anything else, there were rumors

He was passing out business cards on the beach for the Extreme sports thing
I have seen the jeeps around the Island but I don't think he has any involvement with it
 
The little rubber raft was used to ferry tourists from one location to another to do water sports.
That was his job, he worked for a water sports company.

I don't know if he used it for anything else, there were rumors

He was passing out business cards on the beach for the Extreme sports thing
I have seen the jeeps around the Island but I don't think he has any involvement with it

Running up and down the beach is one thing. I don't think venturing out to sea would be a very smart idea in one of those rubber rafts. lol It can get quite choppy out there. jmo
 
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/aru...rap-excusive-interview-it-could-have-been-me:

he began trying to talk me into posing for photos for a sexual pay-per-view website he wanted to develop.”

During one exchange, he asked Rebecca to go to Aruba with him on an all-expenses-paid vacation. “He said he wanted to have sex and wanted to take pictures and videos,” noted Rebecca.

Let's hope this will dispense with any ideas JB has as to referring to GG as an "All American Boy". lol
 
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