Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #14

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Section of text from Debi Marshall's book describing the KK attack and also Claremont golf course attack in same year.

RE the Claremont golf course attack - there is a similar MO in regards to stripping the victim of clothes - if there is any connection to the CSK at all, how does the taxi come into this?

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Spinnaker,

Thanks for the information. It appears to be the same perp. Taxi's have equipment in them, perhaps it was a white commodore and the victim initially thought she was getting into a taxi, but it wasn't explained in the book. I think there was another story about a taxi.
 
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Does anyone have a good web link resource for the Zodiac Killer?

Also are there any other SK's well known for pattern type killings or D-Sites?



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Does anyone have a good web link resource for the Zodiac Killer?

Also are there any other SK's well known for pattern type killings or D-Sites?



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I read a lot about the Zodiac Killer last year after watching the movie, which was what lead me to being interested in the CSK case. These are the sites I used most in my research.

http://www.zodiackiller.com
http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/forums
http://www.zodiackillersite.com
http://zodiackillerfacts.com
 
I read a lot about the Zodiac Killer last year after watching the movie, which was what lead me to being interested in the CSK case. These are the sites I used most in my research.

http://www.zodiackiller.com
http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/forums
http://www.zodiackillersite.com
http://zodiackillerfacts.com

Thank you for the links. Really appreciate your help as now I can zone straight in on the good websites.

.....While CSK case is quiet I'm planning to nail that Zodiac killer!
Cheers
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Just need a recap -

Do WAPOL only have car fibres from JR?

Something is off for me. How can WAPOL include Jane's murder with BRE charges if they only have car fibres and a similar MO?

IMO it seems possible that even a flimsy lawyer could dispute car fibres from a common car model and type???

Is there more documented evidence from Jane's murder that I've forgotten about ?




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https://www.technologyreview.com/s/426615/mathematicians-reveal-serial-killers-pattern-of-murder/

Mathematicians reveal that SK behaviour could be influenced by the pattern of neurons firing (activating) in the brain.

For SK's, the urge to kill and killing occurs when certain neurons in the brain repeatedly reach a certain threshold over a certain amount of time.

**My analogy - kinda like poking that angry bear with that stick - eventually the grizzly bear reacts and bites your head off!

They mathematicians also predict that further kills are more likely to occur soon after a recent kill, in much the same way the risk of further avalanches occurs after one initial avalanche.

This theory could explain why the CSK allegedly committed 3 murders and then possibly stopped killing. The 3 murders could have 'sedated' the CSK until a later time when the neurons flood the killing threshold point again.
 
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201506/serial-killers-modus-operandi-signature-staging-posing


"Disorganized Offenders
Disorganized crimes...are not planned and the criminals typically leave evidence such as fingerprints or blood at the scene of the murder.....Disorganized criminals may be young.......be compulsive masturbators....disorganized killers will often “blitz” their victims—that is, use sudden and overwhelming force to assault them. The victim’s body is usually left where the attack took place and the killer makes no attempt to hide it."


"Organized Offenders
... organized crimes are premeditated and carefully planned, so little evidence is normally found at the scene. Organized criminals... are antisocial (often psychopathic) but know right from wrong, are not insane and show no remorse...Based on historical patterns, organized killers are likely to be above-average intelligent, attractive, married or living with a domestic partner, employed, educated, skilled, orderly, cunning and controlled....typically three separate crime scenes: where the victim was approached by the killer, where the victim was killed, and where the victim’s body was disposed of. Organized killers are very difficult to apprehend because they go to inordinate lengths to cover their tracks and often are forensically savvy, meaning they are familiar with police investigation methods...They are likely to follow the news media reports of their crimes and may even correspond with the news media."

IMO the alleged CSK possibly started his criminal career as a disorganised offender (eg: HD and KK), but then with time and practice, later transformed into an organised offender/killer (SS, JR, and CG).
 
Just need a recap -

Do WAPOL only have car fibres from JR?

Something is off for me. How can WAPOL include Jane's murder with BRE charges if they only have car fibres and a similar MO?

IMO it seems possible that even a flimsy lawyer could dispute car fibres from a common car model and type???

Is there more documented evidence from Jane's murder that I've forgotten about ?




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I suspect something at the dump site or method of the killing has linked the two. Doubtful they could get any DNA off JR given the 2 month time frame, the weather and swampy location. Agree the car fibres are pretty easy to dispute. Could have been from any commodore/taxi she caught



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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201506/serial-killers-modus-operandi-signature-staging-posing


"Disorganized Offenders
Disorganized crimes...are not planned and the criminals typically leave evidence such as fingerprints or blood at the scene of the murder.....Disorganized criminals may be young.......be compulsive masturbators....disorganized killers will often “blitz” their victims—that is, use sudden and overwhelming force to assault them. The victim’s body is usually left where the attack took place and the killer makes no attempt to hide it."


"Organized Offenders
... organized crimes are premeditated and carefully planned, so little evidence is normally found at the scene. Organized criminals... are antisocial (often psychopathic) but know right from wrong, are not insane and show no remorse...Based on historical patterns, organized killers are likely to be above-average intelligent, attractive, married or living with a domestic partner, employed, educated, skilled, orderly, cunning and controlled....typically three separate crime scenes: where the victim was approached by the killer, where the victim was killed, and where the victim’s body was disposed of. Organized killers are very difficult to apprehend because they go to inordinate lengths to cover their tracks and often are forensically savvy, meaning they are familiar with police investigation methods...They are likely to follow the news media reports of their crimes and may even correspond with the news media."

IMO the alleged CSK possibly started his criminal career as a disorganised offender (eg: HD and KK), but then with time and practice, later transformed into an organised offender/killer (SS, JR, and CG).
Some food for thought:

Will Advances In Neurocriminology Give Rise To A Criminal Disorder Being Identified?

https://www.crimetraveller.org/2017/01/neurocriminology/

Thoughtcrime? The ethics of neuroscience and criminality

https://arstechnica.com/science/2011/02/thoughtcrime-the-ethics-of-neuroscience-and-criminality/

*"the interplay between genetics and environment are inseparable, especially when it comes to criminal activity."

https://youtu.be/oLXr_slKg08

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Just need a recap -

Do WAPOL only have car fibres from JR?

Something is off for me. How can WAPOL include Jane's murder with BRE charges if they only have car fibres and a similar MO?

IMO it seems possible that even a flimsy lawyer could dispute car fibres from a common car model and type???

Is there more documented evidence from Jane's murder that I've forgotten about ?




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We don't know what evidence WAPOL has. At the time of the arrest media reported the car fibres from the Commodore. The car was seized in December 2016 from the news.com.au article, but forensic tests take time and as this matter is before the courts WAPOL cannot release the information. JMO.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...r/news-story/6c72e0b800816c7c17018525bcd68229

http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...n/news-story/b29cf41ca78d357849340497bb28ce30
 
Ok so possibly Jane's case centres around car upholstery fibres and similar MO.




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Have we compiled a list of items and evidence allegedly collected from the accused BRE's property in Kewdale or other family abodes?

WAPOL collected
1. Computers
2. ?

Do we have MSM confirmation of any other items?




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It's spookily quiet here ......



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Here's a little bit of interesting information for all the budding LINE THEORISTS working on the CSK case -

Taking the straight line that intersects Claremont if drawing a line connecting CG's and JR's Dsites - If you draw a 90 degree line starting at Claremont and extend this perpendicular line out into the larger map of Western Australia. Then the perpendicular line reaches a place of interest - a wheatbelt town called Merredin.

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I don't think it is a line exactly 90 degrees to the North - South CG - JR line. IMO its a line that goes from Cottesloe beach through the Conti Hotel. In my rough estimation it went to Red Hill auditorium, or between Rd Hill amphitheater and the Red Hill Dump. There is something a bit more to it than just two lines intersecting.
I have to keep coming back to the trouble it took to get JR's car into the ocean, which my my calculations had to happen being dumped off a boat and involved it being put into a car crusher after a possible accident meant it couldn't be driven there. So how important was it that the car went into the ocean at Cott, lights on, doors shut, roof crushed to the bonnet or boot, two days after the back seat ended up there?
 
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I've typed the article which was difficult to read - didn't take me long.

Missing Items Add to Julie Mystery

By Norm Nisbett

A missing shoulder bag and a set of clothes are adding to the mystery of missing Fremantle woman Julie Leanne Cutler. Police can’t understand why neither items were washed up on Cottesloe beach, where her Fiat sedan was found last week.

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While they refuse to speculate, it does raise doubt on whether she was in the car when it was scuttled. The police say Julie, 22 was carrying both items when she left a staff party at the Parmelia Hilton Hotel, about 12.30am on Monday June 20. She was last seen in the Hotel’s staff car park unlocking her vehicle.
The missing items puzzle was examined by major crime squad Detective Snr Constable Ron Carey, who is working on the case with Det-Sgt Vince Katich. He said they were anxious for any information about the bag and clothes. They hope their recovery will help establish Julie’s movements. The light-brown leather shoulder bag was about 30cm long and about 22cm deep, it had a ??something?? over flap. The clothing items were the white blouse and black skirt worn in her job at the Parmelia. These were in a white plastic bag. Julie had changed out of the clothes at 10pm on Sunday June 10 when she finished work in the hotel and prepared for the staff-only party in the hotel night-club.

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“We are puzzled why neither bag seems to have washed up, when a back seat was able to float out of the car”. Det Carey said. The detectives are also puzzled as to why, if Julie is dead, no body has been washed up – 13 days after her disappearance.
“At the moment we haven’t been able to find anything that was owned, carried or worn by her on the night she disappeared”, he said.
“We need something ???tangible ??? something we can pick up and hold.
Det. Carey said interviews with hotel staff had established that Julie had walked up to the car with her plastic bag, containing the clothes, in her left hand. A senior male employee spoke to her briefly before she walked off to the passenger side of her vehicle to unlock it – apparently because the driver’s side door could not be unlocked from the outside. He did not see her get into the car. When the car was found in the Cottesloe surf, both front doors were unlocked, the driver’s side door open and flapping in the water. All the windows were shut, except the driver’s window.
Julie’s father says he has lost hope she will be found alive. Her sister Nicole 21, believes there is a chance she has been abducted and has appealed to anyone who might be holding her to let her go.

The date for Beach Hunt Goes on for Missing Women was Friday June 24th pg 7, Daily News. Representation of where the car was with the black pointer is well away from the groyne, but only about 35m out to sea, if this was accurate and from what I could see.
 
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