GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

Discussion in 'Recently Sentenced and Beyond' started by Salem, Sep 29, 2012.

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  1. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    Jill has been found and returned to her family and a suspect has been arrested for her rape and murder.

    Australia has rules about public discussion of the suspect and its impact on the judicial process. WS, while governed under the laws of the U.S., respects the laws of other countries, especially when it comes to ensuring a fair trial process.

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    Any publication which prejudices the course of justice - A report of a court case which gives details of the defendant's previous criminal convictions, before the end of the trial, would be contempt. This is because it may prejudice the judge, magistrate or jury against the defendant, if there are many previous convictions. This would reduce the chances of a fair trial. Previous convictions (often called antecedents) may not be revealed until after the verdict has been reached. They are then considered by the court to help it to decide on an appropriate punishment.

    http://www.thenewsmanual.net/Resources/medialaw_in_australia_03.html

    Bottom line: NO DISCUSSION OF THE SUSPECT'S PAST CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, IF ANY.

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    Re gotcuffs! Comment on the previous thread..

    I wonder if where you can see Jill lean on the shop front window in the very final frame of CCTV (left of screen) continues after the CCTV public footage stops. Maybe the police know she stood there for 2 minutes?
     
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    Ah - I thought I'd broken something I've been lying in bed with the iPad wondering what I had done wrong
     
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    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/at-the-dark-end-of-the-street-20120929-26skr.html#ixzz27re5tgol



    I always knew Brunswick was a suburb <modsnip>?
     
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    thank you for the new thread Salem!!!
     
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    Are you thinking she stood there for two minutes and then thought he'd gone away and so she continued?
     
  12. GutFeeling!

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    That's my point. That is right at the end of the CCTV footage at 1:43:08 (according to the clock from the footage) and that is the time police said she made the call - it ends abruptly there and I can't see that she is still leaning on the shop front window, that's not to say she isn't.

    the people that think there was a gun involved are referring to the footage when the clock on the CCTV is at 1:42:34. Other people believe they see a gun and Jill pulling back - supposedly because she has seen it.

    I don't understand that a gunman would allow her to make a call after brandishing a weapon or that Jillian would see a weapon and stop to make a call to her brother.

    We haven't heard from her brother since all this started, maybe looking back his answers may be different, but he did state that they spoke about her dad's health, but there was nothing out of the ordinary (paraphrasing) - she sounded worried but who wouldn't be when your dad has had a stroke recently (I do hope that man is doing ok).

    So I don't think in the footage a gun is displayed. imo
     
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    For those nervous about posting, one of us (I apologize for not remembering who), posted this link earlier, explaining the laws a little clearer.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/09/28/jill-meagher-case-bolt-twitter-users-warned-on-comment/


    &#8221;Individuals need to ask themselves: does what I&#8217;m doing have the potential to interfere with a fair trial? Could my sense of moral outrage lead to someone not being able to get a fair hearing?&#8221;

    According to Polden, the most important no-go areas in cases that may be heard before a jury are:

    Commentary on the guilt or the innocence of the accused
    Details of prior criminal convictions or charges
    The publication of photos of the accused.
    &#8220;The prudent view is that from the moment of arrest people are under the protection of the courts,&#8221; Polden told Crikey.
     
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    We sure need to take utmost care.

    ”Individuals need to ask themselves: does what I’m doing have the potential to interfere with a fair trial? Could my sense of moral outrage lead to someone not being able to get a fair hearing?”
     
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    Bayley is from Coberg, and he has only lived there for 6 months.

    I think Brunswick is one of those suburbs that is going through a major change. Look how many people walked past the CCTV around 2am on a Friday night - bars were just closing( and they look like boutique type bars) -restaurants open for 24 hours, new apartment complexes - looks like the city is making a huge effort to change the place around. It's close to the city attracting young couples that work there.
     
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    Just a thanks to the mods and the owners at Websleuths. They do an incredible job monitoring posts, keeping everyone in line and making sure everything said is legal.

    The time they put in is unbelievable - there is always a mod around to help out when you get stuck.

    So thanks mods and your families that share you with us.

    Suck up for the day complete lol ;)

    Seriously - Thank You.
     
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    Is anyone heading to the peace march? I had planned on going but my face is swollen from an infected wisdom tooth and on pain killers and antibiotics, so best to leave it.
     
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    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/the-long-arm-of-modern-technology-20120929-26skq.html

    Sometime after the moment Ms Meagher was captured on CCTV speaking to her alleged killer, police will allege he removed the SIM card from her phone, sources told The Sunday Age yesterday.

    But not before investigators used information provided by Vodafone and the operators of the CityLink tollway to narrow the search for their main suspect. The Sunday Age understands cameras on the Tullamarine Freeway may have captured footage that helped lead to Adrian Bayley's arrest


    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/t...-technology-20120929-26skq.html#ixzz27u9tgfJi
     
  21. Curiousasacat

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    I think all cities and highly populated areas should follow Ipswich,QLD's lead.
    There were a few times last year I had to use the Ipswich train, late, and often the last train for the night. I remember one night not being able to get a taxi so I walked to see if I could find one. Obviously I was nervous but trying to act confident. I looked up and behind at one stage to see a camera following me.It was actually moving. It did reassure me at the time.
    I was fortunate enough to see the CTV room in Ipswich city and it's amazing what they can see. Yes it's a slight invasion of privacy but as they say, those with things to hide are the ones to be concerned.

    Anyway here's the info on their safe city campaign -

    The Success of Security Cameras

    Ipswich City Council has been visited by law enforcement agencies internationally to inspect our camera monitoring system.

    Police from three states in Australia and approximately twenty-five local authorities from across Australia have visited the Ipswich Monitoring Facility. The Safe City facility has been recognised as the benchmark for a fully integrated crime prevention program that is not solely reliant on cameras and utilises a co-ordinated approach of all agencies in Ipswich.
    http://www.ipswich.qld.gov.au/community/safety/safe_city_program/
     
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