Australia Australia - Karmein Chan, 13, Templestowe, Vic, 13 April 1991

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  1. Con Serned

    Con Serned New Member

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    A flying enthusiast. - MC would still be one. He would know how to tie basic knots from tying down light aircraft.

    If he was a flight enthusiast, which I think MC is, he would have flown out of three possible airports at the time. Bewrick, Moorabin and or Essendon. It's a small industry.

    MC would still be in his 50's if he was in his 20's when he committed these crimes. His 60's if he was in this thirties, his 70's if he was in his fourties.

    If he was in his 20's in the 80's, he could still be working in the aviation industry in some form.

    He'll be charming. A "nice guy".

    His partners will have experienced his cruelty, sexual perversions and fantasies.

    He'd be litigious and damming about his exes, much like Chris Dawson was /is about his missing wife and the school girl bride he groomed, and then tired of. He'll want to discredit them to avoid being exposed.

    Like Chris Dawson, he'd have mates. Not necessarily a cop mate, maybe a criminal lawyer. Someone who shared knowledge of how to commit crimes and get away with it.

    Police also say he would have been interviewed in the wide net they cast. If MC had a legal mate, he could have used his mate to help him at the time of being interviewed.

    Is there a person, Male, "nice guy", in their 50/60, still in the aviation industry, with a lifelong mate who's a criminal lawyer or a cop?
    Someone who talks about their ex, like Chris Dawson talks about his ex wives?
    Did he live and or work in the Eastern suburbs in the 1980's?
    Did he live and or work in the Northern suburbs when Karmien was taken?
    What was their job in the 80's?
    Did they have flexibility with their professional work?
    Did they own their own business?
    Did that business require overalls? Like a gardener, or a full service servo owner/operator, or a motor mechanic?
    Did they have a different job when Nikola was abducted? One that didn't require overalls?
    Did they have a different job again when Karmien was taken?
    Did/do they have a connection with the Diamond Creek/Eltham area, around where the Chan's had their restaurant and one of the early victims was raped?
    Did police interview someone that fit this profile in the 90's?
    Who was his lawyer?
    What kind of food does he eat? Since MC stopped to eat on one occasion, the food choices then could be similar now. Did MC eat cheeses and cold meats? Did he eat deserts? Or drink alcohol? Drink Milk? Eat vegies or fruit? Buying and giving the girls food when they were hostage would have been part of the deliberately constructed reality MC created. Whereas, stopping to grab a bite to eat during a crime was unplanned. He could not have planned what he was going to find in the kitchen. His real food preferences would have been exposed.

    I think MC will read these forums.

    I think if anything I've said about the food is accurate, MC will immediately start to eat differently and avoid being seen eating the foods he knows he ate during the crime. Someone like the above who suddenly changes their diet, from this year on, would be high on my list of suspects.
     
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    The Lawyer X scandal currently playing out in Victoria, is adding fuel to my suspicions that MC had help from a criminal lawyer. They haven't named the other lawyers who were also informants yet. Will any of them turn out to have acted for an MC suspect?
    Were they mates with an MC suspect?

    What favors went the other way? What favors did cops do for these lawyers back in the day?
     
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    i'm so intrigued by this case.

    does anyone have the FBI profiler report from years ago?
    - i think he was single, a loner, someone who took these girls to "play house" with
    - he's a clean freak/germaphobe
    - he has knowledge of police procedures / DNA evidence
    - i think he would have been in his 30's possibly 40's at the time, if he was younger i don't think he'd have been so meticulous and if he was older there'd be more girls taken
    - i'm not sure about the university professor guy he doesn't strike me at meticulous looking at him
    - he knew the families......or if not personally had some inside knowledge of them

    I HOPE like GSK this man is caught after all these years. Just so those girls can get peace and Karmein can have closure.
     
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    https://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2016/fbi.pdf

    It’s a short read. Profile is of an organised offender who was probably employed in a steady job, respected in the community, intensely interested in children. Behaviour changes likely in the aftermath of the offence.
     
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    Never thought of that:)
     
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    3llecia NDAs & Secrets

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    3llecia NDAs & Secrets

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    Also, I saw this article from the AAP, published by The Age on Sunday.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/...f-south-yarra-schoolgirl-20190414-p51dzd.html

    (Private or Incognito mode on a browser works to get around the paywall for me!)

    Basics:
    • $350 000 reward from Victoria Police for assistance solving sexual assault of 18 yr old South Yarra school girl in 1985
    • She was selling flowers around 10 pm Friday 22/11/85 along Chapel St when two men kidnapped her with a car located on Bray St
    • Taken to unknown property after being blindfolded, bound and gagged in the car; assaulted for a length of time
    • Dumped in Richmond around 1 am Saturday 23/11/65
    • Three males in total believed involved
    • Victim passed away in 2008
    Anyone else get a sense this is related?
     
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    I’m not sure. Mr Cruel (if it was indeed Mr Cruel who killed Karmein) committed his offences alone; it’s a big change of MO to then commit crimes with co-offenders. Mr Cruel exercised considerable control over the commission of his crimes, if he involved co-offenders he would lose that control. This victim was older, too. He also committed crimes in a very specific way, e.g the things he said, cutting phone lines, entering private houses, attempting to lay false trails (like pretending to talk to someone on the phone, making a ransom demand but not following through with instructions). The police believe the crimes were planned quite carefully and he stalked victims beforehand, whereas the assault on the 18 year old seemed opportunistic. Just my opinion of course. Perhaps it was not Mr Cruel who kidnapped Karmein.

    However, when I watched Australia Crime Stories on Sunday they said there are up to a dozen assaults on children that may be related to the three assaults determined to have been committed by Mr Cruel (unnamed 11 year old girl, SW, NL) as well as the kidnapping and murder of Karmein. So who knows? Perhaps the answer is out there, in the forensics of earlier crimes where he may have been more likely to make a mistake.
     
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    3llecia NDAs & Secrets

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    I have always wondered about the vandalism aspect to her case, along with her death, and the subsequent ‘end’ to the Mr Cruel incidents.

    It’s hard to explain but it just seems much more retaliatory.

    It also reminds me of another case I read in some news archives, a Vietnamese male found dead on Sandringham beach - the letters “IAN” found etched in the sand near him with police on record saying they were open to the idea there was more to the message that may have been washed away.

    It struck me it could be “Asian”, like in Karmein’s case with the graffiti.

    In the article below, the person/suspect described seems to have been a solo predator his entire life, but there’s also mention some investigators looking into whether her death was more than one offender (although apparently discounted.)


    https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-offender-former-partner-20160412-go4n4k.html
     

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