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[F.Knab]

I think the David Sansone company is not related - please ignore it - sorry to get us off track

 

[gymtonic]

I haven't followed any of the Mt Tamborine (in the Gold Coast hinterland) leads as yet but it does intrigue me. As a Brisbane based Queenslander, Mt Tamborine was a favoured place for us (me and my ex) to visit either for day trips or short stay getaways in the 1980s. Perhaps my memory of those times might form useful context? We used to go there because my ex had house sat for the Oz poet Judith Wright (Judith Wright - Wikipedia) when he was a uni student in the 1970s. He describes it as an "out the back of nowhere" place, sleepy, undeveloped etc and he always wanted to live there permanently (which I understand he now does).

Even my impressions of Mt Tamborine in 1980s was nothing like it is today - is that it was was still difficult to get to (as I seem to remember it narrow windy roads up the mountain still unsealed (gravel) in parts) and so few people lived there permanently. People we knew had land there and put shacks on the land to use as "weekenders". I stayed in one place owned by a friend that still hand no electricity or running water! so it was not unusual for people to purchase land their with a view to investment or with the intention of building a house when then retired. For me then the purchase of a block of land on Mt Tamborine and leaving it vacant as an investment strategy does ring true. As does the "letting it go" the the upkeep (eradicating weeds) got too much. I'm not saying that there may not have been another more nefarious reason but it is grounded in plausibility.
My memories of Mt Tamborine during the 1980s was of there only being one historic hotel, St Bernard's, that everyone visited for a beer when there Not a Dog’s Breakfast - St. Bernards Hotel

Another maybe contextual memory is that Mount Tamborine was a favoured place for Swiss and Germans to live as it "reminded them of the mountains they left behind"...I mean not really like the Alps but certainly a higher point than the Gold Coast and the feel of the place for Europeans was very different to the Oz icon beaches. It was wetter, it was cooler (it actually snowed on Mt Tamborine when I was staying there once and snow is un heard of in Queensland!). it was a favoured place for Europeans to set up bakeries, small B and B and serve Devonshire teas to attract the local tourist!

For me I am not that surprised that there is a Blum connected to Mt Tamborine in 1952 (if we assume it is a German / European name). There could be a relative connection as well or a lead to why the RB alias has been taken.

replying to my own post, to apologise for also maybe sending people off on the wrong track with my post about Mt Tamborine in the 1980s. I have reapplied since that the property Ye Olde Passy was at Tamborine and not Mt Tamborine, a small but significant difference being that Tamborine is at the base of the mountain rather than the Mt Tamborine village at the top of the mountain. in this edays a more significant drive than it looks on a map due to the unsealed nature of the roads at the time. Anyway my memories of Tamborine in the early 80s (and WW was arrested for carrying a forged die carrying that name in 1976/77) was that it was a very horsey place. I remember a large horse breeders around there but can't remember the name. Also though it had a reputation at the time of being a place where illegal drugs were grown under cover? I believe there were drug busts from memory. What got me thinking along that track was that WW criminal record had escalated to importing hashish around 1977 also. Just following that, maybe tenuous, connection now.

 

[gymtonic]

I haven't followed any of the Mt Tamborine (in the Gold Coast hinterland) leads as yet but it does intrigue me. As a Brisbane based Queenslander, Mt Tamborine was a favoured place for us (me and my ex) to visit either for day trips or short stay getaways in the 1980s. Perhaps my memory of those times might form useful context? We used to go there because my ex had house sat for the Oz poet Judith Wright (Judith Wright - Wikipedia) when he was a uni student in the 1970s. He describes it as an "out the back of nowhere" place, sleepy, undeveloped etc and he always wanted to live there permanently (which I understand he now does).

Even my impressions of Mt Tamborine in 1980s was nothing like it is today - is that it was was still difficult to get to (as I seem to remember it narrow windy roads up the mountain still unsealed (gravel) in parts) and so few people lived there permanently. People we knew had land there and put shacks on the land to use as "weekenders". I stayed in one place owned by a friend that still hand no electricity or running water! so it was not unusual for people to purchase land their with a view to investment or with the intention of building a house when then retired. For me then the purchase of a block of land on Mt Tamborine and leaving it vacant as an investment strategy does ring true. As does the "letting it go" the the upkeep (eradicating weeds) got too much. I'm not saying that there may not have been another more nefarious reason but it is grounded in plausibility.
My memories of Mt Tamborine during the 1980s was of there only being one historic hotel, St Bernard's, that everyone visited for a beer when there Not a Dog’s Breakfast - St. Bernards Hotel

Another maybe contextual memory is that Mount Tamborine was a favoured place for Swiss and Germans to live as it "reminded them of the mountains they left behind"...I mean not really like the Alps but certainly a higher point than the Gold Coast and the feel of the place for Europeans was very different to the Oz icon beaches. It was wetter, it was cooler (it actually snowed on Mt Tamborine when I was staying there once and snow is un heard of in Queensland!). it was a favoured place for Europeans to set up bakeries, small B and B and serve Devonshire teas to attract the local tourist!

For me I am not that surprised that there is a Blum connected to Mt Tamborine in 1952 (if we assume it is a German / European name). There could be a relative connection as well or a lead to why the RB alias has been taken.

replying to my own post, to apologise for also maybe sending people off on the wrong track with my post about Mt Tamborine in the 1980s. I have realised since that the property Ye Olde Passy was at Tamborine and not Mt Tamborine, a small but significant difference being that Tamborine is at the base of the mountain rather than the Mt Tamborine village at the top of the mountain. In those days a more significant drive than it looks on a map due to the unsealed nature of the roads at the time.

Anyway my memories of Tamborine in the early 80s (and WW was arrested for carrying a forged die carrying the Ye Olde Passy name in 1976/77) was that it was a very bucolic, horsey place. I remember large blocks of land, horse stables and horse stud farms around. Also from memory, that part of Queensland did have a reputation at the time of being connected with illegal drugs being grown. I believe there were drug busts from memory. What got me thinking along that track was that WW's criminal record had escalated to importing hashish around 1977 also. Just a thought and I am following that, maybe tenuous, connection now.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Yes, I posted something about the WW, IK/ Rues des Franc/ Cordemans and co connection and while back.
As well as there Dorothea Maslowska possibly being the Maz of the postcard. it didn't seem to get any bites from many on the thread at the time but I was keen on this theory!

You know my thoughts….I think there’s a connection he’s the tax man… organising all of these companies…

 

[gymtonic]

You know my thoughts….I think there’s a connection he’s the tax man… organising all of these companies…

The bag man?? (a person who on behalf of another collects or distributes illicitly gained money. broadly: an intermediary in an illicit or unethical transaction)


good theory @Eyespywithmylittleeye !! I have a vignette/ that's been forming around a bag man thing (see my Tamborine post!).

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Ok I’m confused by the skill listed on the natural person business’s I searched early today.

mad WW, FD and WC all have their entrepreneurial skill as ‘travelling - fairground Operator’

But the business trades are all very different..

meat, veggies/legumes, insurance and pension fund auxiliaries …

So I’m thinking ok I’m missing something with my understanding of travelling fairground operators….

could it mean - travelling salesman?

co-incidentally - fairgrounds are huge in Belgium and they are trying to get recognised as UNESCO for them..

but I don’t think these businesses relate to fairgrounds unless of course it’s normal to sell pension funds, along side meat, legumes and fairy floss

 

[mishy66]

I this in my table. "Dosai" IMO is a typo and is more likely the Appellate Court at Douai which is near Lille.
View attachment 334923

Thank you so much. It is good to cross reference before going off on another path

 

[mishy66]

You know my thoughts….I think there’s a connection he’s the tax man… organising all of these companies…

Yes The 3 of them and probably ( actually) a few more

 

[Nnbee]

I’m no handwriting expert but it wouldn’t suprise me if people with self identity disorders ( not sure what correct term is ) have handwriting that changes often.
I feel like my hand writing changes depending on the document I am writing on and I know my real birth details.

 

[chicken96]

Could there be a link here?

Company Name - COPPENOLLE
Business Number: 0448.728.631
Rue du Nouveau Monde 321
7700 Mouscron, Belgium


I had doubts when I saw its owned by Frans Coppenolle (attached) but the address got my attention so I searched it and "Renov Construct" came up - Sounds familiar

AC mentioned C&L Construct in court.

Thoughts?

Gegevens van de geregistreerde entiteit | KBO Public Search

https://www.yelp.com/biz/coppenolle-rénov-construct-mouscron-2

 

[mishy66]

replying to my own post, to apologise for also maybe sending people off on the wrong track with my post about Mt Tamborine in the 1980s. I have realised since that the property Ye Olde Passy was at Tamborine and not Mt Tamborine, a small but significant difference being that Tamborine is at the base of the mountain rather than the Mt Tamborine village at the top of the mountain. In those days a more significant drive than it looks on a map due to the unsealed nature of the roads at the time.

Anyway my memories of Tamborine in the early 80s (and WW was arrested for carrying a forged die carrying the Ye Olde Passy name in 1976/77) was that it was a very bucolic, horsey place. I remember large blocks of land, horse stables and horse stud farms around. Also from memory, that part of Queensland did have a reputation at the time of being connected with illegal drugs being grown. I believe there were drug busts from memory. What got me thinking along that track was that WW's criminal record had escalated to importing hashish around 1977 also. Just a thought and I am following that, maybe tenuous, connection now.

Yes you are quite correct with that description of Tamborine and Mt Tamborine. And even today ....it has not changed that much at all - a few shops and eateries and places to relax but the scenes behind are still very much the same.
A hinterland Byron one could say only on a quieter level.

 

[BabeBlues]

David Sansone was the one you put up right?
I only remember Michael - I would have to go back and hear it again but
I think I know what you're doing so good luck!

Try these - you never know!
These are from a list put up a few days ago so just going off what was up-
Wouters Willy
Ricky David
Frederick Dehedervary (no space after 'de')
Frederick De Hedervaru (ends in U instead of Y)
Frederike De Hedervary (female spelling)
Francis David de Hedervary
Chaim de Hedervary
Chaim Frederick David
Chaim David
Bernard Dupont
Christopher Dupont
Atilla Dupont
Tony Greca/Grecka
Anthony Gretch/Grech
Christopher Stein
Fleming
Wilson (is this the Wilson Bross International Exports Pty LTD mentioned in the forgery?)
Charles Gayon
Frank Melon
Gaetan (possibly used son's name from Janine Reno)
Guy Devio

Does the name Roland Dupont mean anything to anyone?

No, I don't remember those names being mentioned. If it helps here is a list of the names AC read out (sorry, some of the spelling might be a bit off):


Anthony Gretch
Urtila Dupont
Bernard Dupont
Charles Geaton
Christoper Dupont
Christoper Stien
David Fredy
Fernand Nocuous Remakel
Francis David De Hedevary
Frank Melon
Fredy David
Frederick David
Frederick De Hededavaru
Frederic David Dehedervary
Gaeton Le Brousko
Guy Deveo
Phillipe Dent
Remmy Lejoy
Ric Blum
Rich Richard
Richard Lloyd West
Ric Richard
Ric West
Rodger Lauzoney
Willy Coppenolle
Willy David Coppenolle
Willy Wouters
Wouters Willy
Chaim Frederick David De Hedervary
Zadil Zwilling
Willy David-coppenolle

Does the name Roland Dupont mean anything to anyone? Blum & Co....
Data of the registered entity | KBO Public Search (fgov.be)
main activity preparation of tax returns for individuals and enterprises since 19 November 1992, still active. Opening bankruptcy?? It also has the same links at the bottom as the S David one did. Could be nothing but.......

I have tried googling the name but not coming up with much @mishy66 @F.Knab @Eyespywithmylittleeye other than a character in an American legal drama series (how ironic) and brother of William Dupont (France), a tiling company in Quebec and a few on LinkedIn but I don't have a LI account.

 

[mishy66]

Yes, I posted something about the WW, IK/ Rues des Franc/ Cordemans and co connection and while back.
As well as there Dorothea Maslowska possibly being the Maz of the postcard. it didn't seem to get any bites from many on the thread at the time but I was keen on this theory!

oh great!
Well I think this is a very plausible theory.
I am sorry to have missed all that !
I missed a heck of a lot as I only joined a few weeks back and I am still trying to catch up with all that has been discussed prior. Then trying to wrap my brain around all the dealings of WW RB FdeH etc etc etc!

 

[mishy66]

Does the name Roland Dupont mean anything to anyone?

Does the name Roland Dupont mean anything to anyone? Blum & Co....
Data of the registered entity | KBO Public Search (fgov.be)
main activity preparation of tax returns for individuals and enterprises since 19 November 1992, still active. Opening bankruptcy?? It also has the same links at the bottom as the S David one did. Could be nothing but.......

I have tried googling the name but not coming up with much @mishy66 @F.Knab @Eyespywithmylittleeye other than a character in an American legal drama series (how ironic) and brother of William Dupont (France), a tiling company in Quebec and a few on LinkedIn but I don't have a LI account.

Sorry my list was from a post put up after the inquest by someone else so I haven't crossed referenced any of the names yet.
But I only have the 2 Duponts on the above lists, not a Roland.
Having said that, while I was researching something else I did find this article, which is quite interesting.


Monsieur Bernard Dupont was a French tax collector from Epernon. In 1667, King Louis XIV of France sent Fabien Marchal to punish Dupont for his failure to collect the required amount of taxes from his town, so Marchal visited Dupont at a local brothel. He confronted Dupont and chopped several of his fingers off with his knife, giving them to the brothel's owner before leaving. This act was one of many acts of terror undertaken by King Louis' agents to warn his enemies of his power.

Remind you of anyone

 

[mishy66]

I think the David Sansone company is not related - please ignore it - sorry to get us off track

oh really.... why do you think so?

 

[gymtonic]

oh great!
Well I think this is a very plausible theory.
I am sorry to have missed all that !
I missed a heck of a lot as I only joined a few weeks back and I am still trying to catch up with all that has been discussed prior. Then trying to wrap my brain around all the dealings of WW RB FdeH etc etc etc!

No problem! I also joined after a lot of others and did the same thing when I started!We are all working towards the same goal, so I am glad you came out and said that because independently we came to the same idea...which IMO lends strength to the interpretation.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Does the name Roland Dupont mean anything to anyone?

Does the name Roland Dupont mean anything to anyone? Blum & Co....
Data of the registered entity | KBO Public Search (fgov.be)
main activity preparation of tax returns for individuals and enterprises since 19 November 1992, still active. Opening bankruptcy?? It also has the same links at the bottom as the S David one did. Could be nothing but.......

I have tried googling the name but not coming up with much @mishy66 @F.Knab @Eyespywithmylittleeye other than a character in an American legal drama series (how ironic) and brother of William Dupont (France), a tiling company in Quebec and a few on LinkedIn but I don't have a LI account.

I just had a look at the one in Belgium he specialises in polyurethanes there’s a pic of him and too it’s not Mr aka..
For some reason I can’t open the link you sent, so tried it without using link and can’t actually get on the entire site atm will try again though.
Roland Dupont doesn’t ring any bells with me..

 

[BabeBlues]

Ok I’m confused by the skill listed on the natural person business’s I searched early today.

mad WW, FD and WC all have their entrepreneurial skill as ‘travelling - fairground Operator’

But the business trades are all very different..

meat, veggies/legumes, insurance and pension fund auxiliaries …

So I’m thinking ok I’m missing something with my understanding of travelling fairground operators….

could it mean - travelling salesman?

co-incidentally - fairgrounds are huge in Belgium and they are trying to get recognised as UNESCO for them..

but I don’t think these businesses relate to fairgrounds unless of course it’s normal to sell pension funds, along side meat, legumes and fairy floss

IMO I think it is just general terminology for categories under the heading
Entrepreneurial skills - ambulatory - fairground operator
but you'll find none of these companies listed under the names we have found fall into these categories, underneath the heading it says No data included in CBE.

But fruit and vegetables, meat supplies, legumes along with pension funds is all a bit strange!

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

oh really.... why do you think so?

I’m curious why too

 

[BabeBlues]

I just had a look at the one in Belgium he specialises in polyurethanes there’s a pic of him and boo it’s not Mr aka..
For some reason I can’t open the link you sent, so tried it without using link and can’t actually get on the entire site atm will try again though.
Roland Dupont doesn’t ring any bells with me..

The website seems to be down at the moment, maybe its all the WS's overloading it haha!
I really could be grasping at straws here but I can't find a Blum & Co in Uccle, Belgium let alone at the address that is listed on the website. The use of the name Dupont along with the company name Blum could be a coincidence? I have attached a screenshot of what I can see.