Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

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This is an intriguing case which is just starting to gain some traction due to her daughter's relentless efforts.

Here is the facebook page:

Missing Person Marion Barter

...and a just released podcast 'The Lady Vanishes'

Left Behind | The Lady Vanishes on acast

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[Sillybilly]

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[YaYa_521]

Continue here.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

I come back daily to see if anyone has found anything new. Really hoping for some sort of break in the case soon.

 

[Martinie]

I come back daily to see if anyone has found anything new. Really hoping for some sort of break in the case soon.

Same here! The amazing people on this site blow me away with their sleuthing!!

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Same here! The amazing people on this site blow me away with their sleuthing!!

Absolutely agree!

 

[Martinie]

Absolutely agree!

The MB FB page said there's still no updates for them either... Hopefully it won't stay that way for long.

 

[Housemartyn]

Well they have to continue the inquest at some point..

 

[BabeBlues]

The news of the unidentified womans body found in the wall of a unit complex in Alderley, Brisbane is shocking! The description fits that of Marion although the timelines don't necessarily match but still imagine every time an unidentified body shows up how awful it must be for family of missing people. I sincerely hope this woman can be identified and a family gets some closure.

Earlier posted on the MPMB and TLV FB pages - Sally shares her DNA can't be uploaded to the National Database for the police to test as it was only a voluntary sample
Unidentified woman found in Brisbane unit complex wall may have died 13 years ago, police say

 

[mishy66]

I had the opportunity to visit the resting place of Ilona Kinczel recently.
Very sobering standing there with no place card. No headstone. No cross. Just overgrown dead grass and weeds.

I pulled the weeds and grass out and took the liberty of placing flowers where the headstone would normally be, on behalf of all the Websleuths in this forum.

There was also a small smooth white stone I saw when I removed the long dead weeds. I could see it had been placed at the head of the grave where I placed the vase, so I placed it on top of other stones I had collected.

I hope that's ok by whoever placed the small white stone there.

I thought of @StarrChance who first found her death certificate and shared it here. And that which led me to find her death documents.

I told her as I stood there that so many people are now her voice. That we know she was caught in the net of a psychopath. And that we will not stop with our search for the truth and that justice will prevail.

Personally for me Ilona Kinczel has been as heartbreaking a journey as it has the findings into the disappearance of Marion Barter. And for some reason I feel Ilona Kinczel will lead us to Marion Barter.

So I said a small piece of a quote that reminds us that she is not resting in a lonely space with no place card, headstone or cross, but that she is everywhere.

I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.

 

[KathPlumber]

I had the opportunity to visit the resting place of Ilona Kinczel recently.
Very sobering standing there with no place card. No headstone. No cross. Just overgrown dead grass and weeds.

I pulled the weeds and grass out and took the liberty of placing flowers where the headstone would normally be, on behalf of all the Websleuths in this forum.

There was also a small smooth white stone I saw when I removed the long dead weeds. I could see it had been placed at the head of the grave where I placed the vase, so I placed it on top of other stones I had collected.

I hope that's ok by whoever placed the small white stone there.

I thought of @StarrChance who first found her death certificate and shared it here. And that which led me to find her death documents.

I told her as I stood there that so many people are now her voice. That we know she was caught in the net of a psychopath. And that we will not stop with our search for the truth and that justice will prevail.

Personally for me Ilona Kinczel has been as heartbreaking a journey as it has the findings into the disappearance of Marion Barter. And for some reason I feel Ilona Kinczel will lead us to Marion Barter.

So I said a small piece of a quote that reminds us that she is not resting in a lonely space with no place card, headstone or cross, but that she is everywhere.

I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I
I am the soft stars that shine at night.

I had the opportunity to visit the resting place of Ilona Kinczel recently.
Very sobering standing there with no place card. No headstone. No cross. Just overgrown dead grass and weeds.

I pulled the weeds and grass out and took the liberty of placing flowers where the headstone would normally be, on behalf of all the Websleuths in this forum.

There was also a small smooth white stone I saw when I removed the long dead weeds. I could see it had been placed at the head of the grave where I placed the vase, so I placed it on top of other stones I had collected.

I hope that's ok by whoever placed the small white stone there.

I thought of @StarrChance who first found her death certificate and shared it here. And that which led me to find her death documents.

I told her as I stood there that so many people are now her voice. That we know she was caught in the net of a psychopath. And that we will not stop with our search for the truth and that justice will prevail.

Personally for me Ilona Kinczel has been as heartbreaking a journey as it has the findings into the disappearance of Marion Barter. And for some reason I feel Ilona Kinczel will lead us to Marion Barter.

So I said a small piece of a quote that reminds us that she is not resting in a lonely space with no place card, headstone or cross, but that she is everywhere.

I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.

One of my favourite poems, Mishy! Do Not Stand at My Grave and Weep - Wikipedia

 

[KathPlumber]

DBM

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I had the opportunity to visit the resting place of Ilona Kinczel recently.
Very sobering standing there with no place card. No headstone. No cross. Just overgrown dead grass and weeds.

I pulled the weeds and grass out and took the liberty of placing flowers where the headstone would normally be, on behalf of all the Websleuths in this forum.

There was also a small smooth white stone I saw when I removed the long dead weeds. I could see it had been placed at the head of the grave where I placed the vase, so I placed it on top of other stones I had collected.

I hope that's ok by whoever placed the small white stone there.

I thought of @StarrChance who first found her death certificate and shared it here. And that which led me to find her death documents.

I told her as I stood there that so many people are now her voice. That we know she was caught in the net of a psychopath. And that we will not stop with our search for the truth and that justice will prevail.

Personally for me Ilona Kinczel has been as heartbreaking a journey as it has the findings into the disappearance of Marion Barter. And for some reason I feel Ilona Kinczel will lead us to Marion Barter.

So I said a small piece of a quote that reminds us that she is not resting in a lonely space with no place card, headstone or cross, but that she is everywhere.

I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.

Thank you Mishy for representing all those on here. Hopefully all the hard work you have done on that aspect of this case will one day bring Ilona some form of justice at the same time as Marion.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

An ad in the Kent & Sussex Courier dated 31 March 1983 for letting of a property at Burwash Weald. Not that far from Mottynsden Lodge so probably a good guide price to what the deH’s were paying. In today’s money £300pm is around £950pm.

Still hoping to find the original ad. A fair chance it’s the same letting agent who were very popular at that time in the Tunbridge Wells and East Sussex area.

 

[Martinie]

An ad in the Kent & Sussex Courier dated 31 March 1983 for letting of a property at Burwash Weald. Not that far from Mottynsden Lodge so probably a good guide price to what the deH’s were paying. In today’s money £300pm is around £950pm.

Still hoping to find the original ad. A fair chance it’s the same letting agent who were very popular at that time in the Tunbridge Wells and East Sussex area.

Is there any way to find dating ads from that area at the time he was living there? He would have been doing something while living there...?

 

[mishy66]

An ad in the Kent & Sussex Courier dated 31 March 1983 for letting of a property at Burwash Weald. Not that far from Mottynsden Lodge so probably a good guide price to what the deH’s were paying. In today’s money £300pm is around £950pm.

Still hoping to find the original ad. A fair chance it’s the same letting agent who were very popular at that time in the Tunbridge Wells and East Sussex area.

Frances Burkinshaw profile

The Negotiator Awards Lifetime Achievement Award 2016 was presented to Frances Burkinshaw, who received a standing ovation from all 740 guests...

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"The Housing Act 1980 gets little or no publicity but I always say ‘thank you’ to this act when running training courses as this Act was the forerunner to current legislation and was the first time that we could let second/investment homes safely – as long as you followed the very stringent rules.

This Act introduced Protected Shorthold Tenancies – the first time that the word Shorthold entered the language. There were very strict rules… at least three days prior to entering the tenancy you had to serve the tenant with a notice warning them to seek advice as this tenancy was not like previous tenancies under the Rent Act 1977; you could only let the property for a period of one year of more; if you wanted the property back you had to serve the tenant with three months’ notice; that notice had to be served at a particular time – miss the deadline and the tenant got an automatic further year’s tenancy!

The tenant, however, could, at any time, give the landlord one month’s notice to leave."

 

[Bibno]

Is there any way to find dating ads from that area at the time he was living there? He would have been doing something while living there...?

Classified ads were really important at they time. It would just be a question of ploughing through all the old editions. British Newspaper Archive has some Kent local papers from the 1980s, but I’m not sure that it has all of them.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Is there any way to find dating ads from that area at the time he was living there? He would have been doing something while living there...?

In the 1980s there seem to be few if any dating ads in the local newspapers.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I wonder if they actually rented The Coach House at Mottynsden Lodge in Burwash in the period 1983 to 1986 and not the Lodge itself which is valued even higher?

 

[Bibno]

In the 1980s there seem to be few if any dating ads in the local newspapers.

That’s interesting. I wonder where they were published. I remember there always used to be quite a few ‘lonely hearts’ and ‘personal’ columns, because I used to read the ads avidly when I was a young teenager, wondering how it all worked out!