Found Deceased Australia - Russell Hill, 74, & Carol Clay, 72, Wonnangatta Valley, 20 March 2020 #3

[TootsieFootsie]

Disturbing theory on how couple ‘vanished’

Detectives have long been confident the couple were not involved in a murder suicide and have found no evidence the couple attempted to fake their own deaths or even leave the campsite.

Police believe the campsite was burnt down in an attempt to destroy any potential forensic evidence.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

https://7news.com.au/news/vic/major...campers-russell-hill-and-carol-clay-c-2366359

“My honest but sad belief is that unfortunately, they are deceased,” Detective Inspector Andrew Stamper told 7NEWS.

Detectives now believed their bodies are somewhere in the mountains of Wonnangatta.

 

[Marchalot]

It may have been mentioned before? I've not read the whole thread nor seen it anywhere written but having a look at the camp site and RH truck , the sides of the truck look like they have bullet holes ? Or what else are the holes ? Maybe for hooks or something.. feel a bit silly asking

 

[JLZ]

It may have been mentioned before? I've not read the whole thread nor seen it anywhere written but having a look at the camp site and RH truck , the sides of the truck look like they have bullet holes ? Or what else are the holes ? Maybe for hooks or something.. feel a bit silly asking

We've noticed but no explanation have I seen. Someone tried to break into that part of the truck? Struck at it with tent poles?

 

[Marchalot]

We've noticed but no explanation have I seen. Someone tried to break into that part of the truck? Struck at it with tent poles?

Thanks JLZ , I don't feel so silly now. I wondered about tent poles too or some sort of pointed object

 

[Marchalot]

Thanks JLZ , I don't feel so silly now. I wondered about tent poles too or some sort of pointed object

Though the back of the truck would look easier to get into than the sides

 

[Kemug]

Forensic testing has revealed the pair never used the toilet set up at their campsite in the Wonnangatta Valley, which is why investigators believe whatever happened to them was carried out within an 18-hour-window, shortly after Mr Hill finished a final radio call about 6:30pm on March 20 last year.
Campsite clue that could solve mystery of disappearing couple

Ah, at last a fact, a cold hard fact!

 

[Kemug]

Wouln't it be ironic if this was going to be Carol's last camping trip with Russell, and tragedy happened. Or could it have some bearing? Perhaps they would never again be so vulnerable. A penny for them.

 

[Marchalot]

Vulnerable from what and who ?.. I'd feel Vulnerable just camping in a place with crossfiring hunters. I'd have to be in suit of armor too feel safe in them hills

Wouln't it be ironic if this was going to be Carol's last camping trip with Russell, and tragedy happened. Or could it have some bearing? Perhaps they would never again be so vulnerable. A penny for them.

 

[srper2]

We've noticed but no explanation have I seen. Someone tried to break into that part of the truck? Struck at it with tent poles?

I had questioned bullets some time ago. I doubt a tent pole falling against the canopy would make dints like that and they are all very alike, same diameter and slightly elongated. All have a clean centre but soot around edges. I also questioned if the side mirror was missing before the trip or not.

 

[Marchalot]

I had questioned bullets some time ago. I doubt a tent pole falling against the canopy would make dints like that and they are all very alike, same diameter and slightly elongated. All have a clean centre but soot around edges. I also questioned if the side mirror was missing before the trip or not.

Amped up hunters taking pot shot's at truck sparking a confrontation between parties ?

 

[srper2]

Amped up hunters taking pot shot's at truck sparking a confrontation between parties ?

I was thinking maybe illegal spotlighters shooting at deer and not realising there was a campsite behind the trees they were shooting into. Perhaps realised too late that they had shot up a camp site, took the bodies away and turned on the gas bottles and burnt the site to cover any evidence, but for some reason left the car. Maybe by the time they came back it was too risky to dump the car because other people had already seen them and the burnt camp site??? But surely the worker spraying weeds must have seen or heard something as he was there the same night they were there?? I could not find any info. regarding if the gas bottles had been turned on and were empty or not. But would a gas bottle turned on and set alight explode or furnace the tent crazily?

 

[srper2]

There was very little publicity, but a woman who lived in Abbeyard went missing for months but nobody reported her missing, despite her not being seen since August 2018. Hunters found her body in bush beside a road in Abbeyard around nine months later in 2019. Abbeyard is quite close to the Wonnangatta valley and the high country area where several other people have disappeared with no trace. How many other people have disappeared and nobody has even noticed, or been found dead in the area and no media coverage?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...oman-last-seen-in-august-20190514-p51n3p.html

 

[Marchalot]

I was thinking maybe illegal spotlighters shooting at deer and not realising there was a campsite behind the trees they were shooting into. Perhaps realised too late that they had shot up a camp site, took the bodies away and turned on the gas bottles and burnt the site to cover any evidence, but for some reason left the car. Maybe by the time they came back it was too risky to dump the car because other people had already seen them and the burnt camp site??? But surely the worker spraying weeds must have seen or heard something as he was there the same night they were there?? I could not find any info. regarding if the gas bottles had been turned on and were empty or not. But would a gas bottle turned on and set alight explode or furnace the tent crazily?

What if one of the gas bottles wasn't RH's ? But belonged to someone else, would mean another camper. The windscreen looks like it could have a bullet hole lower middle above dashboard? Or it's the bush beyond the windscreen and I'm seeing things? Which if it was , the shots are coming from different directions aimed at the one object

 

[Marchalot]

There was very little publicity, but a woman who lived in Abbeyard went missing for months but nobody reported her missing, despite her not being seen since August 2018. Hunters found her body in bush beside a road in Abbeyard around nine months later in 2019. Abbeyard is quite close to the Wonnangatta valley and the high country area where several other people have disappeared with no trace. How many other people have disappeared and nobody has even noticed, or been found dead in the area and no media coverage?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...oman-last-seen-in-august-20190514-p51n3p.html

I read this and there's very little detail about it

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Here is the WS thread for this poor woman

Australia - Australia - Sam Wilson, 51, mother - Unsolved Murder in Victorian High Country, 2018

I read this and there's very little detail about it

 

[Marchalot]

Here is the WS thread for this poor woman

Australia - Australia - Sam Wilson, 51, mother - Unsolved Murder in Victorian High Country, 2018

Thankyou TootsieFootsie

 

[Marchalot]

Here is the WS thread for this poor woman

Australia - Australia - Sam Wilson, 51, mother - Unsolved Murder in Victorian High Country, 2018

Wow, That's incredibly sad ...no one reported her . kids ,friends.. . Shake my head

 

[Marchalot]

Wow, That's incredibly sad ...no one reported her . kids ,friends.. . Shake my head

She doesn't even get a address , really nothing besides age and where found ..rest in peace sam

 

[bearbear]

i know murder suicide has been ruled out, but it would be a much simpler scenario, what if they had argued, it became violent and accidentally fatal, blood in the tent so it was burnt down to destroy evidence, sparing the precious truck and the body dragged into denser bush where the other suicided?
obviously police have reasons for ruling this out, but it was my first thought when i heard they were missing, that or a familiar person?