Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[Travelling Wilbury]

At the end of her mother's street? Pretty foolhardy place to discard evidence that would point to her. imo

That it is. But if recent lines of investigation turn out to be correct, it’ll be great to get a result for William. Perhaps in the spur of the moment things get done quickly in a panic.
I’m sure if they find out what happened to William all of us here will be over the moon that it’s finally solved and those responsible rot in jail.

 

[katydid23]

Yes although even one small spot of blood could make her want to discard it IMO

One small spot of blood? I think I'd try and clean it if it was just one small spot. I've successfully cleaned as small spot like that before, with no visible trace remaining. It seems less risky than driving to a hiding place and burying it, imo.

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

If they found any remains of William, or a piece of his spiderman suit, or proof that FM buried something there in the dirt----I have no doubt we would have heard plenty about it all over the news. JMO

Not really. I think it’s been mentioned previously in this thread.
They may well have found items of interest but will need to find definitive information that says the person who dumped it there did so because it was part of a crime. LE may not divulge that until they have further info.
They will need to dot their i’s and cross their t’s otherwise it won’t stand up in court

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

You overlooked the point of my reply and the reason I posted this article.

I replied to the post which said something like " Good to see the police officers actually searching on the ground for a change, getting their hands dirty" <or something like that , I paraphrased...

And this article shows quite the opposite. They were getting their hands dirty with their boots on the ground. To me it is another example of people underestimating how devoted the ofiicers have been from the start to try and solve this tragic case. JMO

No overlooking imo.
Your post stated how devoted officers were from the start of the investigation. Most were. The ones out there searching definitely.
Only my opinion, but some officers were sub standard in their investigation techniques. This is why there was no result and new officers are going over old information to be much more thorough.

 

[katydid23]

That it is. But if recent lines of investigation turn out to be correct, it’ll be great to get a result for William. Perhaps in the spur of the moment things get done quickly in a panic.
I’m sure if they find out what happened to William all of us here will be over the moon that it’s finally solved and those responsible rot in jail.

Yes, true.

Likewise, I am sure if we find that their new lines of investigation are misguided, all of us here will be apologetic towards the Fosterers and wish them well.

 

[JBowie]

Yes ..... I was actually thinking about that when I wrote the post ...... NSW Police have never come to the defense of the FM and sought to clarify that as incorrect information......

However, stating the "FM is a POI" has never actually been said by a NSW Police Officer, directly to the media either..... IIRC?

It's my belief that the FM being the POI was leaked to the media. I am not aware of any official police statement to that effect.

Now, who would be in a position of knowledge to be able to leak it? Only the police and the foster parents, IMO.

 

[Limaes]

You overlooked the point of my reply and the reason I posted this article.

I replied to the post which said something like " Good to see the police officers actually searching on the ground for a change, getting their hands dirty" <or something like that , I paraphrased...

And this article shows quite the opposite. They were getting their hands dirty with their boots on the ground. To me it is another example of people underestimating how devoted the ofiicers have been from the start to try and solve this tragic case. JMO

I said Detectives, not other police or SES and I stand by that.

JMO

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

It's my belief that the FM being the POI was leaked to the media. I am not aware of any official police statement to that effect.

Now, who would be in a position of knowledge to be able to leak it? Only the police and the foster parents, IMO.

Yes, probably a bit of an “accidental deliberate” leak to put some pressure on.
Has worked imo, with a few charges and fibs being told and potentially getting a bit of wee trouble once it goes through court.
The FFFC was vocal AF up until last year. Dead quiet since, I’ve often wondered why

 

[katydid23]

I said Detectives, not other police or SES and I stand by that.

JMO

Really? Did you read the article? Because it said detectives were heavily involved in the searches.


Specialist police, including the sex crimes squad from Strike Force became involved. Motorcycles and helicopters were brought in to search. Two hundred volunteers searched overnight, hundreds of people combed rugged terrain around the home and police divers searched waterways and dams. The police searched every house in the estate that surrounds Benaroon Drive several times.
The police detection dogs were brought in and they managed to detect Tyrrell's scent, but only within the boundaries of the backyard.[12]"Strike Force Rosann" was established with specially trained investigators from the State Crime Command who are experienced in the unexplained disappearance of young children. They supported the police, other emergency services workers and members of the public involved in the search. After five days, police said they were unable to come up with any leads.[13]


^^^Strike Force Rosann= the detectives investigating Williams case
as were detectives from Strike Force.

 

[Blues Clues]

DCI Bennett has said the media would be informed if there was something of significance found

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sep 2014 - #67

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

That might be pretty hard to differentiate between the two---assault vs spanking.

In other words, if the police are accusing FM of assaulting the child because of a bruise, what prevents the FM from saying it was a spanking for bad behaviour, and it left a bruise?

They’ve gone to the extent of an AVO, a charge and removing a child from their care. If they have gone this far they would have to have significant reasoning to do any of those 3 things.
It’s pretty serious. Assaulting a child and given reason enough to get an AVO for it is pretty low IMO. It may still be going before the courts, but you’d have to assume at the very least their ability as carers is questionable imo

 

[JBowie]

They’ve gone to the extent of an AVO, a charge and removing a child from their care. If they have gone this far they would have to have significant reasoning to do any of those 3 things.
It’s pretty serious. Assaulting a child and given reason enough to get an AVO for it is pretty low IMO. It may still be going before the courts, but you’d have to assume at the very least their ability as carers is questionable imo

As with everything to do with this case, it will be interesting to learn the details of the alleged assault(s) -- if in fact the details are ever revealed in this suppression-happy state of NSW.

The magistrate presiding over the initial hearing had a bit to say about all of that here:

The brief hearing on the alleged common assault charge came after Magistrate Robyn Denes blasted lawyers from all sides in a hearing about suppression orders surrounding the case.

Magistrate Denes told the Hornsby Local Court hearing she had been up 'last night at what I would describe as stupid o'clock' reading submissions and other material about the case.

She was addressing lawyers for the foster parents, the media, and the NSW Department of Justice and Communities during a hearing about a raft of suppression orders over the case.

'To put it bluntly, I was very annoyed. I'm still not sure what you all want me to do,' Magistrate Denes said.

William Tyrrell's foster parents plead not guilty to assaulting a child | Daily Mail Online

 

[JBowie]

Here's quote from an article by Candace Sutton on 17 December 2021 in the DMO laying the responsibility at the feet of the then Commissioner:

Last month, then NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller identified the foster mother as a 'person of interest' in the case.

William Tyrrell's foster parents plead not guilty to assaulting a child | Daily Mail Online

 

[JBowie]

Physical punishment legislation

*** Outgunned by JBowie (or is that outknifed?)

Either way, it disappeared.

 

[SouthAussie]

They’ve gone to the extent of an AVO, a charge and removing a child from their care. If they have gone this far they would have to have significant reasoning to do any of those 3 things.
It’s pretty serious. Assaulting a child and given reason enough to get an AVO for it is pretty low IMO. It may still be going before the courts, but you’d have to assume at the very least their ability as carers is questionable imo

I wonder if Spedding ever got his kincare children back. Not that we could ever know, because their identities and whereabouts are protected.

I wonder if his ability as a carer will always remain questionable, due to his previous charges, or if FACS cleared him once his cases were resolved in the courts eyes.

(Not wondering if FM & FD would necessarily want to take on a bundle of someone else's problems again - meaning the needy children who have been living in/born into at-risk situations. I can imagine how they feel about fostering after everything that has happened. I also can imagine that this may have given other, potential foster carers some pause in their plans to assist these needy children.)

 

[SouthAussie]

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My apologies ... I should have made it clear that I was wondering what the legalities were, not what general opinions are.

Not finding the answer on the internet yet, other than a foster parent/potential foster parent must disclose criminal charges to their case worker. And a criminal check is done.
From what I can tell (from some blogs) they especially need to disclose any charges about child assault (which would apply to both Spedding and the FP, with Spedding's having been really serious historical charges, and the FP charges being of a less serious nature, in the magistrate's opinion).

I guess maybe a decision is made after that.

And then if there are to be any further changes, they presumably must be applied for (and granted/not granted) through the normal channels.

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

My apologies ... I should have made it clear that I was wondering what the legalities were, not what general opinions are.

Not finding the answer on the internet yet, other than a foster parent/potential foster parent must disclose criminal charges to their case worker. And a criminal check is done.
From what I can tell (from some blogs) they especially need to disclose any charges about child assault (which would apply to both Spedding and the FP, with Spedding's having been really serious historical charges, and the FP charges being of a less serious nature, in the magistrate's opinion).

I guess maybe a decision is made after that.

And then if there are to be any further changes, they presumably must be applied for (and granted/not granted) through the normal channels.

Point taken.
Just a side note, considering it’s not allowed to mention the kids names, because of potentially getting the kids names out, does this also apply to BS? He was/is in exactly the same situation, in terms of being a POI and having children in his care.

 

[SouthAussie]

Point taken.
Just a side note, considering it’s not allowed to mention the kids names, because of potentially getting the kids names out, does this also apply to BS? He was/is in exactly the same situation, in terms of being a POI and having children in his care.

Is that a hypothetical question? I don't have the answer. I don't know if there is a legal difference between kincare and foster care in this (and/or other) regard.

I guess it would need to be researched.

 

[sleepinoz]

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The man in charge of the William Tyrrell investigation says no one has been eliminated as being involved in the three-year-old's disappearance.

"We haven't closed a door on anybody," Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw told the inquest.

That includes elderly neighbour Paul Savage, convicted sex offender Frank Abbott and even those closest to William.

No one has been ruled out in William Tyrrell investigation, inquest hears

Looking at one person in particular - doesn't mean others have been cleared - Certainly nobody has been cleared by the Coroner.

 

[SouthAussie]

No not hypothetical ..... <SBM>

As far as I can see there has been nothing pulled about Spedding or his assault charges from MSM. It is all still out there.

Perhaps indicative that there was no sub judice on his civil lawsuit against the NSW police (or if there was a sub judice period, it is over). And perhaps indicative that there is no NPO on those charges.