Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

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There is clear information that William & FF had a very close father/son bond.

FM found this relevant to tell the public.

Did the FM blame William for coming between her and FF?

Was William seen as a rival, resulting in resentment & jealousy, sometimes seen in step-child relationships?

Was FM envious of William?

Possibly. IMO.

This type of parent-child jealousy is definitely a known phenomenon (in fact IMO is probably not that uncommon). For eg I've heard of a few Dads who become jealous of their female partner's bond with a new baby.
 
There is clear information that William & FF had a very close father/son bond.

FM found this relevant to tell the public.

Did the FM blame William for coming between her and FF?

Was William seen as a rival, resulting in resentment & jealousy, sometimes seen in step-child relationships?

Was FM envious of William?

Possibly. IMO.

At the age of 49yo when WT disappeared, FFC had probably been accustomed to getting a lot of attention from her husband before children but she had been missing out for the last three years. Perhaps he was the one who wanted a son and a daughter and told her she could give up work to raise the children. Every time they wanted to go out they now had to employ a babysitter - fewer evenings out to the theatre or restaurants. FFC was perhaps finding it hard work and feeling neglected by her husband who preferred to be with William than her. . However, she has been getting plenty of attention since WT disappeared and obviously has enjoyed it until now.
 
There is an old article in one of the QLD papers that details WT's BM's troubled life. I won't post the link here because (a) it is behind a pay wall and (b) it was written in 2018 which is after the suppression orders were lifted but before they were reapplied again by Harriet Greene, so have all the bio family's names plus pictures of them.

Suffice to say that the BM has a history with the police going back to 2006. The article also mentions, incidentally, that during one event where she was involved with police she was with a family member that was also known to police. I am speculating that her upbringing was troubled (MOOO).

In addition, we are probably all aware of circumstances surrounding the time when the BM and BD absconded and hid with WT.
William Tyrrell's parents hid him from authorities before putting him in foster care, court hears

We are also aware that his BD is now not doing very well.
William Tyrrell’s biological grandmother reveals family’s unbearable pain

We also know that WT was removed from his bio parents because of drugs and domestic violence.
"William’s biological mum explained that William was placed in foster care as a toddler amid allegations of domestic violence and drug use.

“When I had to do a drug screen, I tested positive after I’d had my children,” she told the program."
'They failed him': William's biological mum lashes out at his foster parents

The older article I first mentioned in my post mentions that the BM was (at least in 2018) still caring for WT's 2 younger siblings. I am speculating that this is due to the fact that FACS thought she was able to get her act together enough and demonstrated that she had separated from the BM and hence could provide a more stable home for the 2 younger siblings MOO.

However, IMO this doesn't mean that she can cope with or provide a suitable home for for LT and that LT should be replaced back with her.

LT has likely had a very different life to her 2 younger siblings in the BM's care. She now has endured significant trauma (1 being that she was allegedly subjected to an assault, 2 being separated now from her FP who she had been with most of her life and 3 having a brother who has very publicly and mysteriously disappeared). So I disagree with those who say that she should be returned to her BM MOO. Just because the BM may be doing OK with the 2 younger siblings doesn't mean that she is equipped to provide a loving and stable home to a pre-teen with significant trauma (speculation only JMO). With everything that has now happened, LT will have specific, ongoing need for specialist services and will need to be placed in care that has every chance of being very stable and supportive - enough to try and heal from some of this trauma (if that's possible). IMO I am not sure that the BM can provide this (pure speculation only).

So while I absolutely agree that the bio parents have been dealt a raw deal in life and seem to not have been afforded the same considerations from authorities that the FPs have, let's not romanticise them as being the innocent victims and imagine that LT can now go back to the BM and live happily ever after (I'm being a bit sarcastic here but am just trying to make a point). Whichever way you look at it, the whole situation is just horrible. Whatever happened to little William that day has severely impacted, even destroyed, many people lives and will continue to do so. I agree with a recent news headline that he was "doomed from the start". As it appears now, so was LT. IMOO, none of the major players here, that have resulted in this tragic situation, are blameless.:(
I agree with everything that you have written and especially the bolded and I could cry for this little girl who never asked for any of this. William is a victim, but is out of it, this child will live with this affecting her forever.
I ache for her.
 
This makes me think FFC would be quite familiar with the area since her brothers brought their kids up around there. Wouldn’t she have been visiting in that time? Possibly why FGM retired there - her sons were there . .
Where were they when all the kerfuffle was going on I wonder ?
JMOO
In the 000 call she said its her mothers house and she doesn't know the side street, kinda strange she said that as they were at the street for the street party at Christmas
 
I’ve just gone back and rewatched the 60 Minutes interview the FP’s did with Michael Usher, they even had him in tears.

Even watching it again, through more cynical eyes, she is still very convincing, and I really think when this interview took place FD believed William was addicted.
I’d love others to rewatch and see if they have picked up different vibes.

To be honest I found it very hard to watch and had to turn away and just listen, maybe it was all the focusing on the teeth, it gave me the creeps.
 
To further speculate, and i admit I'm not a psychologist or body language expert, but i just watched the 60 minutes interview.

They show the mouth clearly when she speaks and it shows us alot about her actually.

For eg. She is telling this story of returning home without William, a deeply moving, personal story of cuddling up on his bed with his favourite toy; there are tears and shudders, there is anguish. It's a bit dramatic for me, but the interviewer is moved.

As soon as the interviewer becomes upset, her crying ceased. At 19.12 you can see the micro expression of triumph. (Got you).

I think we've all been had.
As soon as the interviewer becomes upset, her crying ceased. At 19.12 you can see the micro expression of triumph. (Got you).

I think we've all been had.

Excellent pickup! Can we get a body language expert’s opinion if this was ‘dupers delite’?
 
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These obligations ensure Australia's law enforcement and security agencies are lawfully able to access data, subject to strict controls. Access to data is central to almost all serious criminal and national security investigations.

Data retention obligations

Correct.

Imo they will keep for much longer with a Police request

No, they won't.
 
Oh that's a ridiculous assertion. Children are not removed on an arbitrary basis. It's a long, well considered process.
I don't understand the sympathy for the bio parents, when two generations of WT's family were deemed unfit. And for the earlier commenter that suggested wine consumption in the day is preferable to beer? I'm incredulous.
Having worked closely with child protection for a long time, I know the system isn't perfect, but to suggest one can 'order a child' is offensive.

I think you may have misunderstood the reference to wine vs beer. It wasn't my post, but I understand how it relates to social perceptions. For example, in Qld there has just been a case of a high ranking government employee with a 6x BAC who escaped conviction after crashing her car - part of her request for leniency was so she could still be entitled to seek a US visa to take her children on a ski trip :mad: She even admitted to day drinking up to 20 drinks a day whilst WFH through COVID, and whilst homeschooling her children.
High-flying spin doctor blows 0.3, gets free pass for ski trip
No Cookies | The Courier Mail
 
To further speculate, and i admit I'm not a psychologist or body language expert, but i just watched the 60 minutes interview.

They show the mouth clearly when she speaks and it shows us alot about her actually.

For eg. She is telling this story of returning home without William, a deeply moving, personal story of cuddling up on his bed with his favourite toy; there are tears and shudders, there is anguish. It's a bit dramatic for me, but the interviewer is moved.

As soon as the interviewer becomes upset, her crying ceased. At 19.12 you can see the micro expression of triumph. (Got you).

I think we've all been had.

I think FM's family would be able to elaborate.

Where psychopathy exists in one or more siblings, this can lead to a breakdown of relationships amongst them.

All speculation, IMO.
 
To further speculate, and i admit I'm not a psychologist or body language expert, but i just watched the 60 minutes interview.

They show the mouth clearly when she speaks and it shows us alot about her actually.

For eg. She is telling this story of returning home without William, a deeply moving, personal story of cuddling up on his bed with his favourite toy; there are tears and shudders, there is anguish. It's a bit dramatic for me, but the interviewer is moved.

As soon as the interviewer becomes upset, her crying ceased. At 19.12 you can see the micro expression of triumph. (Got you).

I think we've all been had.

I can’t watch it yet because I’m at work, but the micro expression of triumph you mention is known as “dupers delight”.
 
I’ve just gone back and rewatched the 60 Minutes interview the FP’s did with Michael Usher, they even had him in tears.

Even watching it again, through more cynical eyes, she is still very convincing, and I really think when this interview took place FD believed William was addicted.
I’d love others to rewatch and see if they have picked up different vibes.

I watched it recently too
I stopped and re listened to the part when the interviewer asked “what do you see when you look at this picture” (of William mid roar)
FM answer surprised me . FFs answer was quick
 
Totally agree - I think this is moving towards an outcome that is going to be shocking and hard for some to process, especially given how long many in the Australian community have been supporting the foster parents. It's just been adding up for days and I just can't imagine, especially given the recent sizeable payout to a previous POI, that the NSW police would risk another consequence like that. This feels like as the article says, we are on the cusp of hearing news that will bring a resolution but with that nauseating feeling of been played for so long :(

A lot of people will be traumatised by this in my opinion. This will go down as one of the most shocking cases in recent history if this turns out to be true.
 
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. I would think that you are very wrong in your assumption. While there are some Forster carers who are 10/10 and some that are sorta ok (5/10) there are some absolute horror stories with horrible carers. It wouldn't be the first time a child has passed due to lack of supervision from Forster carers. From what I've seen, particularly in temporary care, 5/10 is more common than 10/10.

Braxton slanger?
I am very aware of the situations where foster carers should never have been given children. I just finished watching a trial where the abuse of the children from the ffc was all premeditated.
 
I can't shake the feeling now that (pure speculation, IMO) the person or people responsible for disposing of William (regardless of how he has potentially died) wanted/hoped/expected his body to be found in those early days after he was reported missing - 'placing' instead of burying as stated in the article suggests to me that it was either a decision based on perceived availability of time/level of risk, or with clear intentions of searchers locating him in the context of expressed fears he had been abducted.

And maybe having to maintain a charade for an extended period of time was not expected or planned. It feels different to those cases where someone goes out of their way to hide a body and hope it will never be discovered. IMO
This is actually a very interesting take. I didn’t even consider it
 
Oh that's a ridiculous assertion. Children are not removed on an arbitrary basis. It's a long, well considered process.
I don't understand the sympathy for the bio parents, when two generations of WT's family were deemed unfit. And for the earlier commenter that suggested wine consumption in the day is preferable to beer? I'm incredulous.
Having worked closely with child protection for a long time, I know the system isn't perfect, but to suggest one can 'order a child' is offensive.

An understanding of intergenerational trauma, domestic violence and the knowledge that kids almost always do better with family, except in the worst cases. Ideally, families need to be supported with understanding and compassion to break negative cycles, not punishment. It usually takes multiple attempts for a woman to free herself from a DV relationship, especially young mums. William was taken at 9 months old?, if the article posted is correct the decision that reunification wasn't possible does seem like a quick decision especially in light of the younger kids. There are questions to be answered by FACS IMO.
 
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