Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #77

[SouthAussie]

She was responsible for his safety and welfare at the time he went missing. She disappeared for 20-25 minutes when WT disappeared and no one saw her. Her mother and the other child did not know WT was missing until approx. 10.40am. Her walkthrough contradicts her daughter's timeline and also her son-in-laws. There maybe other reasons for this but it cannot be ignored until more information is found. At some stage she took a trip down the road in her mother's car, which may have been in this timeframe as it has not been referred to in other's statements that they saw her take her car, so most likely before she had seen people outside of the house. No one has corroborated the cars she has found suspicious, no traces have been found of WT, of the people on the street that day no one has identified other strangers or any public POI's, she has maintained for years that WT went missing in a tight 5 minute period and yet when we check how many people were home and coming in and out of the small estate, no one saw anything. There were about 20 people in all. If her statement is correct then an opportunistic abductor took him. Many people have used the term Occam's razor over the years in regards to other POI's and I definitely think it should be applied in this instance. Then there is all the surrounding information of the morning prior to the disappearance that bb has outlined and on top of that, the actual circumstances of the foster family's lives, (short medium and long term) to be considered when assessing WT's disappearance. MOO

This doesn't rule out other scenarios though, as we all know there are ways into that part of the street where it is easy that no-one would be seen. imo

Even Lonergan is backtracking on his "positivity". Under oath in court on Monday he said ....

“We constantly discuss it,” Lonergan said. “It's one of those topics – that we simply don't know what happened to him that day.”.


‘Ask her if she did it’: William Tyrrell foster mother quizzed over balcony theory

 

[iiiii's]

This doesn't rule out other scenarios though, as we all know there are ways into that part of the street where it is easy that no-one would be seen. imo

Even Lonergan is backtracking on his "positivity". Under oath in court on Monday he said ....

“We constantly discuss it,” Lonergan said. “It's one of those topics – that we simply don't know what happened to him that day.”.

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‘Ask her if she did it’: William Tyrrell foster mother quizzed over balcony theory

I agree. But it does rule her in. Is there evidence that points to entry via the dead end by a vehicle or on foot? Any sightings or eye witness accounts. If the Crabbs? heard a car coming up the road and turning on the gravel, did they hear a car on the track or coming out of the bush and then turning and reentering the track? I was asked what circumstantial evidence there is.

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[SouthAussie]

I agree. But it does rule her in. Is there evidence that points to entry via the dead end by a vehicle or on foot? Any sightings or eye witness accounts. If the Crabbs? heard a car coming up the road and turning on the gravel, did they hear a car on the track or coming out of the bush and then turning and reentering the track? I was asked what circumstantial evidence there is.

Yes, I realise that you were responding to a post ... I was only pointing out that the circumstantial evidence of FM not being seen means that it is just as easy that someone else was not seen.

There is a deathbed confession (generally considered quite seriously imo) that FA and William were picked up from a shed behind Kendall Public School by RP. And driven north.

To me, this is certainly very important circumstantial evidence pointing elsewhere.
It is a valid proposition that has not, in my mind, been ruled out. (Along with other valid scenarios.)

imo

 

[k-mac]

I agree. But it does rule her in. Is there evidence that points to entry via the dead end by a vehicle or on foot? Any sightings or eye witness accounts. If the Crabbs? heard a car coming up the road and turning on the gravel, did they hear a car on the track or coming out of the bush and then turning and reentering the track? I was asked what circumstantial evidence there is.

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What makes it hard to believe it was an abduction by ANYONE;

William didn't belong there.

He was not even supposed to have been there that morning. They came earlier than anticipated.

Nobody was witnessed... before.... during.... or after.

FM has lied and told varying versions of the morning.

Kendall (Benaroon dr specifically) is a sleepy and safe semi rural little community.

Those acreages have zero privacy from each other.

A dead end street.

The only realistic perpetrators could be the bio's and they have been categorically ruled out.

All the local pedo's from the out lying area is white noise and not one speck of evidence to support any involvement.
Random abduction is simply wild speculations with no connection to anything of that morning. IMO

 

[k-mac]

Yes, I realise that you were responding to a post ... I was only pointing out that the circumstantial evidence of FM not being seen means that it is just as easy that someone else was not seen.

There is a deathbed confession (generally considered quite seriously imo) that FA and William were picked up from a shed behind Kendall Public School by RP. And driven north.

To me, this is certainly very important circumstantial evidence pointing elsewhere.
It is a valid proposition that has not, in my mind, been ruled out. (Along with other valid scenarios.)

imo

Why would FA abduct William Tyrell??
how could he have even known he was there?
Nobody else did.
Must have went to somebodys house?
Alot of people keeping it on the down low.

For what???
a dirty ol pedo??

Seems a stretch. IMO

 

[iiiii's]

What is the circumstantial evidence tho? I’m not trying to be rude but I think I could find circumstantial things for most scenarios.

I’m not even suggesting they are innocent or guilty, just that there’s no case against them at this point in time. Nothing that can be bought to court, let alone proven in court.

In summary
access
no alibi
means of disposal
possible motive
no corroboration of her statement around alibi and means of disposal

 

[Awakening]

could the fact fms been heard abusing a child, lied about abusing a child, withheld the fact she drove her mothers car looking for william, was unhappy with williams behaviour and not bonding, william was super boistrous that morning, crashing his bike and bit her, she has a mean temper and needs to break a childs will, changed her story numerous times, she was possibly the last person to see william alive etc etc, be enough for circumstantial evidence proving she has the capabilities of hurting/losing him?
these are facts

Sure, that supports the current theory and that they are unpleasant people, but doesn’t mean they concealed an accident and moved his body. And if they did where’s the body?

People suggest he may have got lost and say but where’s the body? They also then quote FM as saying he wasn’t a wanderer. But why believe that statement if you don’t believe other things she has said?

 

[Awakening]

In summary
access
no alibi
means of disposal
possible motive
no corroboration of her statement around alibi and means of disposal

Thanks. This is good. It’s circumstantial but factual.

 

[iiiii's]

William Tyrrell’s foster father cleared of knowingly giving false evidence to NSW Crime Commission

Magistrate said he was not convinced the man knowingly lied to law enforcement body despite incorrectly stating his wife had never harmed a child

www.theguardian.com

Defence barrister Phillip English described it as “stressful and emotional” and said the foster father might not have remembered a snippet of conversation from that morning when asked about it later.

“She kicked me,” the child told the foster father in a recording played to the court on Tuesday.

The foster father was so concerned about the incident he returned home shortly after leaving the house to discuss it with his wife, and should have remembered it when he faced the commission weeks later, Marsh told the court.

“He was lying to cover the fact that his wife had assaulted a child in their care,” he said.

 

[SLouTh]

In my opinion ….

The previous inquest seemed to focus a lot on the actual “time” of William’s disappearance, and what occurred after that time ….

Perhaps this time, they could look harder into what happened in / on Benaroon Drive before William went missing, and what was seen around the time he actually went missing ??? And the hours leading up to that time that morning …. Even the night before needs to be examined imo ….

This avenue could possibly throw up some witness statement, or sighting of something, or someone, that may have been overlooked ??

Again just reiterating, this is just my opinion ….

Otherwise, I feel like William needs to be somehow found, to solve this case …. As currently, it is appearing hopeless…

JMO

 

[SLouTh]

William Tyrrell’s foster father cleared of knowingly giving false evidence to NSW Crime Commission

Magistrate said he was not convinced the man knowingly lied to law enforcement body despite incorrectly stating his wife had never harmed a child

www.theguardian.com

Defence barrister Phillip English described it as “stressful and emotional” and said the foster father might not have remembered a snippet of conversation from that morning when asked about it later.

“She kicked me,” the child told the foster father in a recording played to the court on Tuesday.

The foster father was so concerned about the incident he returned home shortly after leaving the house to discuss it with his wife, and should have remembered it when he faced the commission weeks later, Marsh told the court.

“He was lying to cover the fact that his wife had assaulted a child in their care,” he said.

The Daily Telegraph also states the prosecutor points out this kicking incident occurred just 22 days before the FF was questioned about the incident …

Paywalled for some…

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/tyrrell-foster-father-accused-of-lying-in-secret-hearing/news-story/f3a17d1424f6b8e498513b65b0805731

 

[JBowie]

IMO, the former fosters are not nice people, abusive to at least one child in their care, lie and are motivated by their image. JMO.

From the reported recordings of how they spoke to and treated the foster child, I have zero time for either of them.

I have always had trouble with the FM's versions of events on the day that WT went missing and my BS detector is triggered whenever I listen to her speak.

However, IMO, none of that amounts to the proverbial hill of beans when it comes to evidence of criminal behavior in the matter of WT's disappearance. I'm convinced that NSW police are grasping at straws.

 

[iiiii's]

The Daily Telegraph also states the prosecutor points out this kicking incident occurred just 22 days before the FF was questioned about the incident …

Paywalled for some…

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/tyrrell-foster-father-accused-of-lying-in-secret-hearing/news-story/f3a17d1424f6b8e498513b65b0805731

Yes, I'm finding this troubling. Apparently the event was memorable and recent and yet the Guardian article is saying he incorrectly stated his wife had never harmed a child. Even though the FFC committed the offences the MFC is being questioned about, she has been taped confiding to a friend that she has thought about leaving him due to his cruel attitude towards the child/ren. Is he indifferent to abuse or maybe thinks the behaviour falls within the realms of normal parenting? And there is a higher level of expectation around disciplining with foster parents. There's something off here to me as if the children were her special project on the side if she wanted kids so badly... IDK, I've had this impression before as well. MOO

 

[FromGermany1]

William Tyrrell’s foster father cleared of knowingly giving false evidence to NSW Crime Commission

Magistrate said he was not convinced the man knowingly lied to law enforcement body despite incorrectly stating his wife had never harmed a child

www.theguardian.com

Defence barrister Phillip English described it as “stressful and emotional” and said the foster father might not have remembered a snippet of conversation from that morning when asked about it later.

“She kicked me,” the child told the foster father in a recording played to the court on Tuesday.

The foster father was so concerned about the incident he returned home shortly after leaving the house to discuss it with his wife, and should have remembered it when he faced the commission weeks later, Marsh told the court.

“He was lying to cover the fact that his wife had assaulted a child in their care,” he said.

Imagine, you are little L and have one of many disputs with your foster mother, and your FFC has nothing better to do than calling her husband on her phone. The foster father immediately returns from his way to his business, only to help his wife to build a front of 2 adults against you, the little 11 year old. Then, later, in front of the commission, the foster father just remembers "a little incorrect" because of his emotions or anything else and isn't guilty of anything.

Is that supposed to be justice?

 

[SLouTh]

Why would FA abduct William Tyrell??
how could he have even known he was there?
Nobody else did.
Must have went to somebodys house?
Alot of people keeping it on the down low.

For what???
a dirty ol pedo??

Seems a stretch. IMO

I do agree…. But there is always that minuscule chance, until the case is solved…

For example, did a Neighbor have visitors the evening before?? Did they see the children arrive?? Did they have all night to plan and fantasise ???

In the realms of statistics, it is probably unlikely, but it can’t be totally ruled out until the case is resolved …. That is why I think the time before William went missing needs to be fully examined ….

I have my doubts about intense questioning of all of the neighbours in the area, with so much focus initially on “little boy lost”…. IMO,
Every person in that area, should have been made account for every minute from the night before up until, and after, William went missing …. And what they saw… JMO

We need to remember the Police didn’t manage to get a formal statement from Heather Savage ( a direct neighbour), before she died …. So what else was missed?? It just makes me wonder…

Are there any details that were reported, and not followed up by Police ??
Details that were not deemed important at the time??? For example, similar to that report in “the drawer” in the Ivan Milat Case???

Craddock has implored the public to come forward with information, perhaps he should also implore the Police to recall any little detail that was reported and dismissed ????

With all of the technology available, and us living in modern times, it is incredibly frustrating …. a little boy can not just disappear, and never be found …

ALL MOO

 

[SLouTh]

Seven News report on today’s verdict…

https://x.com/7NewsSydney/status/1721798328693006562?s=20

 

[SLouTh]

Nine Version here….

https://x.com/9NewsSyd/status/1721791073196868015?s=20

 

[SLouTh]

10 version

https://x.com/10NewsFirstSyd/status/1721783415018562027?s=20

 

[SLouTh]

This week, Downing Centre Local Court was told homicide detectives partnered with the commission in July 2021 to form Operation Harden, which examined the disappearance of three-year-old William from Kendall on the NSW Mid North Coast in September 2014.

Both foster parents were called to give evidence and were asked about a range of issues, including two assaults on another child in their care in 2021.

More here…

William Tyrrell’s foster father not guilty of lying to Crime Commission

Magistrate John Arms said some of the commission’s questions were vague and he could not be satisfied the man had knowingly given false or misleading answers.

www.smh.com.au

 

[SLouTh]

ABC (Lia Harris) Report