Identified! AZ - Payson, Female Skeletal UP8641, 16-20, Jul'10 - Tia Payne

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  1. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    NamUs UP # 8641 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/8641

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    Unidentified Female (Race Unsure)

    Found July 22, 2010, 2.7 miles south of State Route 260 adjacent to Forest Service Road 512 near Payson (Gila County), Arizona

    Aproximate Age: 16 to 20 years
    Race Unsure
    Weight (pounds) Cannot Estimate
    Height 66 inches (5'6"), Measured
    Hair Brown - Straight, up to eight inches in length
    Clothing or Accessories: None

    Notes on body parts recovered
    All parts recovered
    Not recognizable - Decomposing/putrefaction
    Probable year of death 2009 to 2010
    Estimated postmortem interval Months

    Circumstances
    The decomposed remains were found in a wooded area at the base of an embankment.

    Dental Comments
    Tooth #2 crown destroyed by caries, Remnant sealant to #3, #12, #14, #19, and #30, Silver amalgam restorations to #3 & #19, all others composite material

    DNA
    DPS Phoenix, Lab ORI
    Comments: Osseous tissue samples provided to the Gila County Sheriff's Office. GASO reports that profile has been entered into CODIS.
     
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  3. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Looking at the facial reconstruction, this Jane Doe appears to have facial structural traits suggestive of partial black ancestry.

    I found a few woman with somewhat similar facial shapes, but this one jumped out at me.

    Kelsey Emily Collins
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/collins_kelsey.html

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    The distance and circumstances would not be inconsistent. She was said to be involved with a man who was being charged with interstate sex trafficking. So it is plausible that he may have transported her to Arizona from Washington State before murdering her.

    * Her height 5'5" to 5'7" is spot-on to the 5'6" estimated height of the Jane Doe.

    * Her age (18) is right at mid-range of the age estimate (16-20)

    * Her DLC (9-May-2009) is consistent to the probable year of death (i.e., 2009 or 2010).

    * Her hair (Brown and straight about 8" long ) matches the description.

    And although the UID is in CODIS, Kelsey's NamUs DNA notes say "Sample available - Not yet submitted ", so we don't have a CODIS rule-out by default.
     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Submitted by e-mail to Bruce Anderson (NamUs UP Case Manager for this UID Case)
     
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    It says her hair was naturally curly, but she normally straightened it with a straightening iron. Wouldn't the first rainfall erase the styling of the hair?

    I can definitely see a resemblance, especially in the two middle pictures.
     
  6. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I wouldn't know about that, but there isn't a whole lot of rainfall in central Arizona
     
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    mamashawn New Member

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    good point. :)
     
  8. Kimster

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    The middle pic of Kelsey in the second row looks spot on to me.
     
  9. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I got a quick reply from Bruce Anderson re: Kelsey Collins

     
  10. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Jessica Danielle Burden also jumps out at me as a possible. High straight forehead, sunken eyes, narrow bridge of the nose, pointy chin. Her nose might be a bit long though. And her hair is longer than 8 inches.

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    http://www.nampn.org/cases/burden_jessica.html

    She's not listed in NamUs. I wonder if she is still missing.
     
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    summer_breeze New Member

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    http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=10280747&nav=0RY4Vp58

    Posted: Apr 30, 2009 2:20 PM EDT
    Updated: May 06, 2009 4:53 PM EDT

    Jessica is not missing.
     
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    BBM, from the Charley Project details of Kaylenes dissappearance.

    Obviously, the story could be a lie but maybe the part about the forest service road is true.

    Certainly sounds like something that should be checked out further considering the uid was found on a forest service road.
     
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    summer_breeze New Member

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    I have sent an email to Dr. Bruce Anderson (NamUs Case Manager) to inquire as to whether or not Kaylene Gallegos has been considered/ruled out. I will post if I hear anything back.
     
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    Not just a forest service road, but one right on the route the missing person was supposed to be taking.

    Also, without a cause of death, do we have any reason to disprove the account? Admittedly it's suspicious but without cause of death, finding a body wouldn't make it more so... because if Kaylene did get lost in the woods 2 years ago, she won't still be alive and lost.

    Against this being a match, Kaylene is shorter than the UID's estimated height and slightly outside the age range.
     
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    --- On Mon, 4/23/12, Bruce Anderson <Bruce.Anderson@pima.gov> wrote:

    From: Bruce Anderson <Bruce.Anderson@pima.gov>
    Subject: RE: Case #ML10-01464 - NamUs #9262
    To: <redacted>
    Cc: "Knight, Clyde (Clyde.Knight@unthsc.edu)" <Clyde.Knight@unthsc.edu>
    Date: Monday, April 23, 2012, 11:24 AM

    Hello XXXX. Thank you for using NamUs. Our Jane Doe (ML10-01464, NamUs UP #8641) has been excluded from being Kaylene. I have added this information to the UP side of NamUs and have alerted the NamUs case manager for Kaylene’s case of this change.

    Bruce E Anderson, PhD
    Forensic Anthropologist
    PCOME
     
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    Folks:
    This gal has been ID'ed and date listed was 4-15-13-- and the next of kin have been notified.. I'm not sure who she is--but they do! AWESOME!!

    ETA: could this move to the ID'ed thread now?
     
  18. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I got word from a reliable source that this decedent was identified as Tia Payne.

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    There is no public mention that she was found deceased or matched to this case, but her NamUs casefile (MP10357) is now closed.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10357/0

    The takeaway from this is that Tia was said to have been LKA in July 2010 (less than a month before her remains were found).

    The Jane Doe had been estimated to have been dead for several months (2009 or 2010).

    I remember looking closely at Tia as a possible, and I passed on it because the time frame appeared to be too tight based on the postmortem interval indicated in the UP casefile.
     
  19. EmmaliLucia

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    Wow. That Reconstruction is SPOT ON
     
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    I dunno why I took an interest in her case. On websleuths it felt like I was the only one who really gave a damn about her.

    There wasnt anything to go in. The family wasnt active on the net hosting some sort of site.

    I am glad they found her.
     
  21. Essbee

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    It's funny how we all perceive things differently. I don't think the reconstruction looks much like her, really. That bieng said, I have NO idea how forensic anthropologists make any reconstruction at all from remains. Glad she has been identified.
     

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