Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #5

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    :rose: Remembering Tim Bosma and waiting for Justice :rose:

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    TIM AND HIS DAUGHTER
    Photo courtesy of the Bosma family​
     
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    Agreed. In my opinion, the drug aspect is more of an insight to their lifestyles than the reason for killing anyone. It shows that they were risk-seekers, thrill-seekers, and they were willing to pursue illegal activities to get their fix. From this April 2014 article (BBM):

    Besides drugs, there appears to be sexual risk-taking as well. Was DM's relationship with Babcock done behind CN's back, or was CN in on it? Who else was DM fooling around with?

    Now, looking specifically at DM, factor in the purchase of a gun, the off-road racing, the skydiving, the stealing of vehicles, the property flipping, etc. All of these things reinforce the view of DM as someone with a high appetite for risk and adventure. It is possible that once he got a taste for violence, or more specifically, murder, nothing else could quite satisfy the hunger anymore. JMO.
     
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    The incinerator could have been accommodated in the first and smaller barn nearest the road.....the roof on that barn is certainly high enough.

    Difficult to judge the size of the sliding barn door in that building from the photos on line.....and the area directly in front of that door appears to be littered with all manner of junk and may make it difficult to access with big equipment.
     
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    Sure, you could be right, it could be adrenaline only, we are only speculating after all.

    Though, as an example, R. Ramirez used coke in tandem with the high he got from his crimes.
     
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    That's my opinion too. Looking at their lifestyles-- who they associated with and their activities-- it involves drugs, car theft, weapons, sex,..... now murder...

    All becomes a mosaic of who and what they are.
     
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    The only "evidence" we have of any addictions are a few reports of MS smoking weed on the porch, a pack of rolling papers and a suspected (cheap, plastic, non-durable) weed grinder (that suggests he wasn't hard-core because then he'd have a metal one that would last).

    Weed is cheap to smoke - the cheapest "addiction" you can have, and if you run out, the drug does not compel you to go out and perform B&E's to get more...to the contrary, the solution might just be to go to bed. It is not a gripping "addiction".

    Perhaps MS is "addicted" to weed. How much weed is that? It would make MS lazy, demotivated and a follower that doesn't think clearly about what he's about to get into.

    Perhaps DM used MS's weed "addiction" against him...told him he wanted to steal a truck and the stoner MS said duh, okay...totally unsuspecting that someone would end up being killed.
     
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    bbm
    You brought up an interesting point about the one folder. Looking at the list of storage folders on page 36, there are some strange folders even there. A "wayne" folder, "rubixAndPikapoo", "wookieAndBella", "PedoAndCats" and "drunkUncle". I wonder what some of these contain as well. I am still in such disbelief that as young as these two were, they had no inclination as to how they were leaving a technological footprint with phones, iPads, computers........ Just seems out of this world. I know people in nursing homes that know more about technology than these two!
     
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    For all you people that feel these guys were running on Coke, is there one piece of evidence to suggest this? From someone who knows a little bit about that particular drug, I can guarantee that police would have found something to indicate they were regular users, whether it be an unfolded bindle or the telltale rolled up bill. There has been no evidence that anything was found on either of the accused when they were arrested, or in either of their homes. I'm not saying these guys never did coke, but I will say that they didn't do it constantly.
     
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    BBM

    All due respect, but anything short of a James Bond-type psychotropic truth serum or Wonder Woman's magic lasso, will only yield the accused's own version of the truth. IMO forcing an accused person to the stand would not elicit the answers you seek. It could potentially yield incriminating testimony, which is why I assume it's not recommended by many defence lawyers, but incriminating doesn't necessarily equal truth. Again, MOO

    ETA - btw, I would love to see him take the stand too, in case you're wondering
     
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    I get that, people are going to lie. But lies are for the most part easy to see through. Isn't the purpose here to find the truth? But we all know innocent people would to a man be eager to get up and tell their side of the story, but I'm pretty sure that the number of truly innocent people that end up in court these days is verging on zero, thus there are no innocent people wanting to testify.
     
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    ...exactly, not murdered because of drugs, as the evidence suggests there was a pre-metated plan to scoop a truck. Back in the late 80's and early 90's when cocaine made its grandioso enterence into SW Ontario (bamm...it was all of a sudden everywhere in the nightlife bar-hopping world) I witnessed some crazy prolonged binges from casual acquaintances and good friends. They call it white-lightning for a reason. All MOO
     
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    One, both or neither being addicts is a matter of pure speculation. What can be presumed with more certainty is that by the time he was arrested Smich would have have been under significant stress for a couple of weeks. That alone could explain a drawn appearance and stepped up drug use.
     
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    Today is the day a judge rules if the WM trial will go ahead.
     
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    I'm pretty sure MS had a metal grinder on his dresser too.. it was sitting on top of something else. I'll repost the pic again when I can find it.

    I found what I was looking for.. it appears to be the cap on a cologne bottle that looks very similar to a metal grinder. My mistake. At first glace it looked like two separate items.

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    here's one closeup view of the pile of junk, notes added

    buster.jpg
     
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    Not many "Pot addicts" out there anyway. Its not really an addictive drug because it mellows you out and makes you tired. Its not like coke or meth which keep you awake and ready to do more.
     
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    Well, they could not have been die-hard drug users. IMO, both DM and SM had to hustle(various category of schemes) in order to make money and you can't do that if you are a serious drug fiend. Occasional cocaine use? IMO, yes. Cocaine dealing? Anyone's guess.

    In MS's case, if you are selling weed, you can't be such a slave to it that you continuously smoke your inventory and then can't pay your supplier. Druggies and/or wiped-out pot heads do not make good drug dealers or hustlers. Gangs who hustle drugs will not hire serious druggies to street deal. You need a decent amount of wit about you if you aspire to gangsta' life. Staying fairly clean of drug addiction is good but getting caught for something as simple as a tagging task (graffiti) is so bad, it's pitiful.
     
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    When you buy your weed you buy wholesale and sell retail. That means you have a couple of units you can sell for pure profit - or use personally. You only need to sell a small amount to earn a commission that will have you stoned all day...which will be helpful as you kill time waiting for people to drop by and pick up your sales. It is totally possible to be a chronic and sell pot and not get into any money trouble. If you sell only a bit and smoke all your commissions you will never get rich, but if you sell just a bit more you'll have both smoke for yourself and commission. There's only so much pot you can smoke in a day.
     
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