***Breaking News***DCF Shelter and GAL Custody Hearings Thread #3

Discussion in 'Dr. Teresa Sievers' started by beach, Nov 18, 2016.

  1. Legally Bland

    Legally Bland Well-Known Member

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  2. IQuestion

    IQuestion Well-Known Member

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    Since it is now news, can we attach link to Scott Sievers public info? (It is not from FB, just in case there was a question about the source.) Am I the only one thinking the request for "adoption" means MS is now willing to sign his daughters away to his brother, because all he wants to do is win? Is winning for him, keeping his daughters from the people who loved Teresa? Isn't there also a Sievers sister? Is there a possibility that she will/can file a petition, too?
    Is the brother also high school pals with CWW?
     
  3. No it's not

    No it's not that simple

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  4. IQuestion

    IQuestion Well-Known Member

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    Yes Arachne1 provided interesting information. And of course it brings up a lot of questions.
    Is MS or his brother so convinced he will be convicted of murder that he/they want to plan for the permanent placement of the minors? In which case does MS want this ONLY if his brother agrees to raise them in Florida? Interesting premise, since MAG wants to raise them in Connecticut so they can have a life away from the scandal and controversy that will arise from the things CWW has to say about MS's involvement in Teresa's murder? Will a judge agree to uprooting the children to move to Missouri instead of moving to Connecticut? (What is the difference, since both locations are over 1000 miles from Florida?) To me and in my opinion it just seems like another unnecessary disruption of the bonds they (the minors) have developed over the last 2 years with Teresa's mother, siblings and their extended family. I have no idea how all of this play out....will it make a difference if MS is still innocent until proven guilty? If he believes he will be acquitted, why even give up parental rights now? A few months ago, when I realized the 5 and 5 spousal provision of the trust would allow MS to receive 5K of 5% of the trust corpus, I commented, "What a mess." Apparently my comment was a premature understatement of the circumstances.
     
  5. Arachne 1

    Arachne 1 Well-Known Member

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    Right on, IQ, with the guilty spotlight! Who wouldn't be happy with Teresa's mother having the girls? If Mark is found innocent, he'll get them back--so, what's the big deal? Unless it's the Big Bucks, like WOW said.

    I latched onto the hope that AlwaysShocked pointed out; that hopefully the judge is pleased with the stability and safety that Teresa's mother has provided the girls these past two years.

    Another concern: We've been told by local MO posters that their hometown is very small. People are related by blood, by business, or by marriage. Everybody knows everybody's business. People have gone missing in this small community, and people are scared, due to connections. What does Scott know about the missing people? About his brother's relationships? About Teresa's murder?

    Yes, I still think others are involved (especially after reading the autopsy [bruising area locations, different sizes and types of wounds]).

    No. MO is not safe.

    Thanks to Legally Bland for helping me with the post. You guys are awesome!
     
  6. Oregonmama

    Oregonmama Well-Known Member

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    If Mark is found innocent he would still have to petition the courts to get his daughters back. Would not be an easy task! Its so unbelievable that Mark continues to use his daughter as pawns. Where was the brother during the the initial hearings? No one else besides Mary filed a petition for the girls guardianship. Bonnie attempted to talk at one hearing but she did not file or express high interest in it. I only read about the maternal side of the family (Mary) making sacrifices by moving to Florida and having two households she was financially responsible for. It is so obvious that Mark wants to alienate the girls from the Teresa's side of family. I truly pray that the girls can stay with Mary because it would be healthier and things wouldn't be sugarcoated by that side. JMO
     
  7. Oregonmama

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    Deep down I think Mark knows his game is over but his quest for complete alienation against the maternal side of the family has been his main priority from day one. He wants to wipe their memories clean. He planned his wife's murder and now he wants to erase her family from his daughters life.
     
  8. human

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    The girls come with $$$$$$$$$$$. Life insurance, ***, and Social Security.
     
  9. msboo

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    Does MS have more than one brother? Like a brother then a step or half brother? I do remember he had a brother that was a real bad ass---surely that wouldn't be The brother?!
     
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    No it's not that simple

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    One brother, successful, popular, family. Zero bad

    -Nin
     
  11. msboo

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    Thanks NIN.... my mistake, as my memory is mush. I was thinking of CWW's brother.
     
  12. Greater Than

    Greater Than <b><span style="color:#000099;">WS Senior Moderato

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    Monday, October 30, 2017 at 9:00 AM

    Duration: 8 hrs

    Motion to Intervene Evidentiary Hearing

    http://www.ca.cjis20.org/schedules/docket1.asp?judgeID=1&dateselect=10/30/2017&css=1


    Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 9:00 AM

    Duration: 8 hrs

    Motion to Intervene Evidentiary Hearing

    http://www.ca.cjis20.org/schedules/docket1.asp?judgeID=1&dateselect=10/31/2017&css=1
     
  13. Oregonmama

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    This is going to be tough for the judge. Mark and his family just can not wipe out the maternal side of the family. Whoever prevails will have to include the other side for life experiences.
     
  14. MsJosie

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    The paternal grandmother is a STEP grandmother? Is that how I keep reading it in articles? So she is NOT Marks birth mom. Is she Scott&#8217;s mom? Are Scott and Mark half or full brothers. Her wants should be low on the totem pole IMO she is not blood related. Did she have any real contact with the girls until,the murder? Gosh, way way back in the beginning, I thought I read on here that she did NIT have a lot to do with the girls. She and Scott did not seem to care in the beginning...just lately, which makes me wonder if it is for control of the monies.....so Mark can get to them. Thanks for any answers.
     
  15. debbiegarcia36

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    I am 99% sure Bonnie is Mark's bio Mother. Marks father remarried so he has a step-mother. I believe Scott an Mark are full brothers.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
     
  16. MsJosie

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    Thanks...it gets confusing at times.
     
  17. Oregonmama

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    Just an FYI: social services and GAL will still be a present force in this matter. Social services even recommended and supported Mary to take the girls to CT permanently. With that said, the paternal side still has a battle in regards to the the adoption by Mark's brother.
     
  18. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Guardianships give both legal and physical custody to the guardian. However, the courts maintain jurisdiction over the case, unlike with an adoption. And there can be conditions for the guardianship that are set. Such as keeping the child in the state unless there is a court order.

    You're right. And that's good. Because although guardianships don't terminate parental rights, and still allow the parent to consent to an adoption, the law surrounding guardianships and adoption in Florida is the best interest standard. So even if Mark consents to the kids being adopted by his brother, the brother will not automatically be granted the right to adopt. The best interests of the kids will be considered, even though it appears that Florida favors adoptions over guardianships and the parents' wishes regarding placement and/or adoption are very important.

    With regard to what's considered as to the kids best interests, here are some examples:

    Who has been caring for them? It appears they've been with grandma for a year and half almost.

    Who can provide stability? If they go with the brother, they will also have to move - to Minnesota.

    Who are they attached to? Who do they want to live with?

    Who has shown interest in their care? I don't think the brother has been involved thus far, right?

    Who is more likely to foster a relationship with the other side of the family? I don't have facts to say.

    But all of that will be considered.

    The opinions of the GAL an social services will also be super important. It would be unlikely, IMO, that the court would go against their opinions, unless favoring adoption is much more important in Florida than I think. (But a case below makes me feel that may not be the case).

    His parental rights would indeed have to be severed for their to be an adoption. But he has to consent to that and his consent can be conditional on who is adopting.

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...g=&URL=0000-0099/0039/Sections/0039.6221.html

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0000-0099/0063/0063.html

    Here is a case that's very similar:

    https://clarielaw.com/images/uploads/Adoption_Case_Law_Update_Rev-2015.pdf

    https://www.leagle.com/decision/inflco20141226045

    That case basically shows that here:

    1. Mark can consent to having his parental rights terminated and his brother adopt, but if the court finds his brother is not suitable placement, his consent to terminating his parental rights is deemed withdrawn.
    2. The court will use the preponderance of the evidence standard to determine whether adoption by his brother should occur. That is the easiest standard to meet.
    3. However, the best interest standard is what determines whether the adoption should occur - so by a preponderance of the evidence, is it in the child's best interest to be adopted by the brother?
    4. The guardianship/dependency court cases can be consolidated. So while in previous adoption cases the GAL's and social services were excluded from the hearing, now they're not and any and all evidence that would come out in those other cases may be considered when deciding the adoption request.
    5. The court has the power to appoint an guardian instead of allowing an adoption.

    I feel pretty good about grandma's chances of keeping the kids. Hopefully her age and sick husband and finances won't be too much of an obstacle. If the kids are happy and secure and want to stay with her, I think they will.

    I;m going to post this in the legal thread as well.
     
  19. MsJosie

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    How is MS paying for all the attornies, fees and anything else pertaining to the girls, girls care, adoption etc? This would not be part of the murder case so i do not see the state picking up the bill. Is he promising &#8220;them&#8221; (attornies, investigators, family members and others) monies from any future insurance money the girls may inherit? Thanks
     
  20. BrownRice

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    Gitana1, thanks so much for the very informative post. That spelled everything out for us.
     
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