CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #6

[rsd1200]

But notice these were profile and cover photos. That doesn't mean they didn't take individual photos. Only public photos. And there was a profile photo of baby eating her birthday cake. Posted as profile on April 2, 2016. And Krispy Kreme wasn't group photo.

I think the odd quality of those photos may have been siblings allowed to use the cameras. I've seen the Krispy Kreme photo and it looks like one that my kids would take when they first got cameras, I've not seen the baby with the cake. I'm sure there's a lot we haven't seen on their private FB. I'd love to see it, I know it's nosy but I'd not be on here if I weren't a bit nosy...

 

[Spice]

Am I really reading a discussion here about whether or not these children & adults were, to use LE's term- tortured? (!)

Yes you are. And it' absolutely appalling.

 

[Electric Sheep]

3 children were shackled yes. Are we cherry picking how many were shackled and minimizing the three that were because all 13 were not at the time of rescue? Were the 7 adults that lived there being held against their will, i.e. "Captive".

Yes.

The fact that the media sensationalizes headlines does not negate the FACTS in this case. Also, the headline you provided is not hyperlinked.

Which news source had this headline?

NBC.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nb...fter-13-found-captive-california-home-n837871

It IS factually inaccurate. 13 kids were not FOUND shackled.

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[SandyQLS]

...RSBM...

I can't find your older post, but you mentioned the DA trying the case in the media. Is it not true that the Defense can also try the case in the media and often does? I don't think there is a gag order, yet, so the Defense attorneys could be telling their side to the media, but I have read almost nothing from that side. What do you think?

 

[sunnybree]

There's a lot that sensational about the reporting in this case...starting with the headlines that were splashed everywhere in the news and social media. I would expect this from the Mirror or Daily Telegraph, but not NBC


NEWS JAN 16 2018, 10:26 AM ET
California parents arrested after 13 children found shackled, held captive in their Perris home (link)

Obviously the 29 yr old escapee was not found shackled. There were actually 2 or 3 found shackled and there were no charges against them related to the baby.

Do these statements of fact minimize the neglect and abuse these children and adults suffered?

They were charged with six counts of child abuse, this includes the baby. One count for each minor child. They did not charge torture or false imprisonment respecting the baby. In essence, LE still allege the baby was abused but was not treated as badly.

 

[JaneEyre]

The Perris couple*accused of abusing and torturing*their 13 children have been barred from contacting their offspring – either in person or via electronic contact — for the next three years, officials say.

*advertiser censored*criminal protective order*issued Wednesday prevents David Allen Turpin, 56, and his wife, Louise Ann Turpin, 49, from being within 100 yards of their children and preventing other contact with them – unless accompanied by an attorney.

They were further ordered not to possess any firearms.

https://www.pe.com/2018/01/24/perri...barred-from-contacting-their-kids-until-2021/

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[LaneGirl]

Am I really reading a discussion here about whether or not these children & adults were, to use LE's term- tortured? (!)

No I think the discussion is regarding the level of accuracy in the reporting. Thing is even quoting someone i.e. LE, hospital staff etc it's their opinion based on whatever amount of time they spent with the children or what they've heard from someone that spent whatever time with the children. For example one quote was the kids "lacked ANY understanding" of the real world. That is incorrect in my opinion because some of the kids knew an old cell phone will still dial out to 911. That shows SOME level of understanding of the outside world.

This LE officer really feels the kids lack any understanding of the real world. That's true in that he believes it. The news reported it. Nothing wrong with him saying it either as that is what he believes. But is that really a fact that all the kids lack any understanding of the real world? We don't know yet except one went to college and one had the wherewithal to call 911 on an old phone.

I don't think anyone disbelieves the kids were neglected and abused though.

Edit: Sensational headlines sells, people read, advertisers make money. It's the nature of the beast. However the fact these kids were abused and neglected is true. We will know to what extent if this makes it to trial.

 

[Bill Carson]

I can't find your older post, but you mentioned the DA trying the case in the media. Is it not true that the Defense can also try the case in the media and often does? I don't think there is a gag order, yet, so the Defense attorneys could be telling their side to the media, but I have read almost nothing from that side. What do you think?

I think that it is very, very dangerous for the defense lawyers to hold press conferences and start spewing their own side of the story. They are public defenders, not Johnny Cochran. They are just getting up to speed on the case. They have to be sensitive to the perceptions of the public or else their defense could backfire. If they have concrete, verifiable information that contradicts the story being told by LE and the DA, then they should absolutely share that. For instance, if they had pictures of the inside of the home, and it wasn't as disgustingly dirty as LE is leading to believe, then they could show that. (That would be hard, because I'm sure the inside of the house was taken apart when LE did the search warrant.) Or if a child had a medical condition that would explain why they are so thin.

As a matter of fact, I imagine it might have been the defense team that leaked the son's academic transcript, to counter the perception that the kids are all on a first grade level and weren't allowed to go to school or leave home.

 

[rsd1200]

I just googled "turpin hoax" and all I could find was a bit of a nutjob on twitter calling it a hoax.

Scroll down further, they may also believe that Sandy Hook was a hoax as well.

 

[Electric Sheep]

Am I really reading a discussion here about whether or not these children & adults were, to use LE's term- tortured? (!)

No. You are reading a discussion about how some of the media coverage has been sensationalistic and misleading.

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[Hope4More]

A neighbour has said they have seen the son and daughter driving a car... The Van was for family days out and I'd imagine a car each for DL and LT.

What a long list of nameless neighbors are saying is conflicting, unclear, sometimes flat out impossible to believe (someone peered into the house for 4 HOURS , watching Turpin kids marching around in circles?) and in this case- simply implausible.

Woman-monster escorted the college -attending survivor to classes & waited outside the room or building until class was over, yet was perfectly OK giving another survivor the autonomy to freely drive about?

 

[Deleted member 278]

Let's not get off track talking about headlines we haven't discussed. The conversation we're currently having is about facts that have been discussed here. Not once has anyone here presented sensational headlines as fact.

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All headlines should be discussed IMO, not just the ones that are being discussed at the moment.

 

[enelram]

http://abc7.com/prosecutors-seek-order-to-stop-perris-couple-from-having-contact-with-kids/2983342/

Today's hearing photos

 

[JaneEyre]

"... Jose Medina, a Democrat, said he plans to introduce legislation requiring state officials to conduct on-site inspections of all private schools in the state, which include parents who educate their children*at home."

https://world.wng.org/content/california_lawmakers_call_for_more_homeschool_oversight

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[JaneEyre]

All headlines should be discussed IMO, not just the ones that are being discussed at the moment.

Well, have at it, but that was not the conversation I was having.

Frankly, I'm focusing on the victims again.

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[December]

The defense attorneys have to deal with the fact the deputies actually were the ones to unlock the 22-year-old son. So, IDK, do they just admit that one and move on?

Honestly, I don't think this will really go to trial.

 

[jens]

“A pair of Southern California parents who are accused of starving, chaining and abusing their 13 children for years were ordered not to attempt to communicate with the children for the next three years.

David and Louise Turpin said nothing during a brief court appearance Wednesday afternoon. They have pleaded not guilty to torture charges and remain in jail where they are kept separate from other inmates on $12 million bail, each. The Turpins face life in prison if convicted.

Reading her order in court, Riverside County Judge Emma Smith said the suspects are also forbidden from obtaining or possessing firearms or coming within 100 yards of any of the victims, except for at court hearings. The order lasts until January 2021, Smith said.

“You must not contact them, except through your lawyer,” Smith said.”

https://www.desertsun.com/story/new...rside-county-defense-attorney-say/1060361001/

 

[Bill Carson]

Woman-monster escorted the college -attending survivor to classes & waited outside the room or building until class was over, yet was perfectly OK giving another survivor the autonomy to freely drive about?

I have an adult daughter who does not have a drivers license. She lives in my home. I drive her to classes and wait for her to be done to drive her home. I drive her to therapy sessions and wait in the waiting room until it is time to drive home. Does that make me a monster parent?

My point is that mom driving son to school and waiting for him to attend classes doesn't mean she is a child abuser. Maybe she is, but that fact tends to prove very little.

 

[Gae]

No. You are reading a discussion about how some of the media coverage has been sensationalistic and misleading.

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Exactly. I saw one news report where they were showing videos of the back yard - making comments about how there were weeds in the flowerbeds and rust on a patio table. My backyard flowerbeds have weeds right now. I have dead plants in my patio pots right now. The rusty patio table and weeds in a backyard flowerbed were meant to further sensationalize the situation. Rust on the patio table has nothing to do with chains on the kids.

 

[vlpate]

Check out @bradenCNN’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/bradenCNN/status/956284195663331329?s=09

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The Turpins barred from contacting their children for three years. I guess this is to keep them from manipulating the sybling's stories - sad for the baby - bad time to break a bond, of course for the better in the long run.