CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #6

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Kapua said:
So theoretically, if BT is 1/4 mile from the road in a remote desert area - where are kidnappers likely to come from? The road, right? And on that road is a nice truck and RV. The kidnappers do not touch it. They just take Barbara and leave. Why?
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On that note.... we've spoken before about the statistical unlikelihood of woman-abductors ready to do their thing, driving on that section of road that day, out of the small number of cars that would have passed by in that short time the couple was there... I wonder how the statistics would compare for instead, a couple of thieves or people looking to just smash up someone's expensive vehicles, to have happened upon the scene? Somehow I believe thieves would be more likely than a rapist/killer/whatever. Not that the statistics matter *if* that is what happened to unlucky BT, but just pondering the unlikelihood of either scenario.
 
Curiousobserver said:
Perhaps someone who as been to this actual spot can be more authoritative but I have been to what I think are similar locations and my quick answer would be that there are crevices like the one in this story.

My point is that many have said its impossible she just vanished so quickly without any evidence and that this lack of any sign of her is evidence she was never there: but its really not.

She gets lost, she back tracks, she climbs up on some rocks to get a better view to find her car and she falls just perfectly into a crevice. No hat, no beer, no nothing. An archaeologist will find her in 1000 yrs.

I would take the dogs up to that spot where she allegedly took the 360 picture. I might go back there if I knew I had a great view from that spot.
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It's not clear to me whether the 360 degree picture was alleged to have been taken at the same location as the walk or at some other place earlier in the day. If BT fell into a crevice within the search area, I think it's likely that either scent tracker dogs and especially cadaver dogs would've noticed. JMO
 
Micheline said:
If there was a crime here, a pre-planned one as has been suggested by some, then RT was free to mention any time he wanted that would make sense in his made up story.
He could preplan: lost sight of het at noon, searched for one hour, called 911 at 1, period. No discrepancies.

But since he lost sight of her around noon, let's say 12.30, went searching, maybe even sat down every now and then since is is 72 yo and it being extremely hot, then went searching once more for an hour, it could have easily be 2.30 by then.

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He was in the police car for 5 hours that day telling police what happened - if BT is deceased there was a chance LE could have located her body that day or soon after, and if so, he may have thought they would be able to pinpoint a TOD.. if the TOD had been before the time when he said she 'disappeared', he'd be smart enough to know that would be a dead give-away as to guilt.
 
Micheline said:
-bolded by me-




Would it help if I said there are, several?

I think it is time this fact being injected into the discussion, pages and pages of accusations made towards RT, a victim, his adres and hang out locations being know.
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SABBM

^^^ Re. the bolded portion : It would be nice to have a link for the accurate photos taken that day , if there are indeed several !
I have not seen even one photo that can be proven to have been taken that day in that area.
It's possible LE know and are not willing to reveal their hand . For their own reasons.

So far there are no photos with any proof that they were taken that day during the hike in the desert.
Timestamps can be manipulated. This was discussed in the previous thread.
Not saying that's what has happened.

No one at WS has accused RT of anything as he is still a victim in Barbara's disappearance.
But his words are being discussed, as well as his body language.

His address is known due to Barbara's address living at the same residence as RT; and with a missing person -- all of their information that can assist in locating said person is usually made public.
This is so that any neighbors or friends can help with any information they might have !
And other information about both of them that has been made public, (RT's fifth wheel, boat, and other purchases) the goal is to find Barbara.

His hang out locations at the casino and lounge he himself made public.
Sometimes people feel comfortable in familiar places-- so it may be nothing more than that.

And it is not due to WSers' looking this up.
Posters on this thread have given RT the benefit of the doubt -- more than some others have been afforded in previous cases.

This is about Barbara and no one else.

It's troubling that none of Barbara's friends have spoken up .
But it might be telling in that she could have been isolated by RT.
We don't know.

It the interview her son gave in msm he gave the possibility that RT didn't allow Barbara to have her own phone.
Take the msm interview with a grain of salt as there's a clear conflict of interest going on.
 
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Micheline said:
But since he lost sight of her around noon, let's say 12.30, went searching, maybe even sat down every now and then since is is 72 yo and it being extremely hot, then went searching once more for an hour, it could have easily be 2.30 by then.
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Taking him at his word that he "lost sight" of her around noon (perhaps a nugget of truth, perhaps a splitting the difference between actuality and claim)...

...my question is...

Where were they at that time when he last saw her? Near home? Some other pullout along some other road? Maybe on some road that leads towards Vegas? Maybe east of home in the opposite direction?

Given that (per LE dispatch log) he called 911 at 3:26pm, what was he doing in the 3.5 hours prior? In addition to his described hike, "search" around the RV, out to some cave, etc, I suspect there was at least an hour of driving as well.

And speaking of his hike and search and checking out the cave, here is a question I'd like to see LE answer: when they found no indication of BT out there, did they find indication of *RT* out there? Tracks where he said he had been?

IMO this would be an important clue as to whether footprints in general were visible in that terrain in those environmental conditions.

That is assuming, of course, that RT went where he said he did. Which I have no reason to think he didn't.
 
The only way I can rule one way or the other in this case is to search the spot myself. Like I have written before. I am not discounting SAR as they did an excellent job in this search, but we have gone in after SAR has searched and found what they were looking for using trained dogs.

I am hooked on the drone idea because of the terrain. The gentleman who started a web site to bring together a group of drone operators, who can grid search an area as a team has an awesome idea for SAR support.

https://sardrones.org/

It does not discount a dogs scent or a persons eyes and common sense, but supports the effort.
After looking at his website and listening to his video posted, it appears he would like this to be one of his first cases to try this ?

I have always searched with groups as a SAR member and on my own using researched and gathered information as well as common sense.
Now I am considering purchasing a drone and after learning how to fly it, joining this group.
Our youngest son is a marine and knows people in drone operations. They have educated me to a drone that has excellent cameras as well as thermal imaging and capable of long range.. Although thermal imaging would not be necessary in this case in my opinion.
Now I have to convince my wife that I NEED this item...
I must consider my approach ... :)
Flowers.. Candy... Vacation.. Clothing.. Concert.. hmm .. LOL
 
Kapua said:
So theoretically, if BT is 1/4 mile from the road in a remote desert area - where are kidnappers likely to come from? The road, right? And on that road is a nice truck and RV. The kidnappers do not touch it. They just take Barbara and leave. Why?
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How do they get into the truck and RV? An abduction is more likely
 
Auntie Cipation said:
Taking him at his word that he "lost sight" of her around noon (perhaps a nugget of truth, perhaps a splitting the difference between actuality and claim)...

...my question is...

Where were they at that time when he last saw her? Near home? Some other pullout along some other road? Maybe on some road that leads towards Vegas? Maybe east of home in the opposite direction?

Given that (per LE dispatch log) he called 911 at 3:26pm, what was he doing in the 3.5 hours prior? In addition to his described hike, "search" around the RV, out to some cave, etc, I suspect there was at least an hour of driving as well.

And speaking of his hike and search and checking out the cave, here is a question I'd like to see LE answer: when they found no indication of BT out there, did they find indication of *RT* out there? Tracks where he said he had been?

IMO this would be an important clue as to whether footprints in general were visible in that terrain in those environmental conditions.

That is assuming, of course, that RT went where he said he did. Which I have no reason to think he didn't.
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BBM

Ita.
Hopefully LE have checked this out.

The silence from them may be encouraging as it means they're investigating and not just taking people at their word.
Finding Barbara is the most important issue.
 
Auntie Cipation said:
Taking him at his word that he "lost sight" of her around noon (perhaps a nugget of truth, perhaps a splitting the difference between actuality and claim)...

...my question is...

Where were they at that time when he last saw her? Near home? Some other pullout along some other road? Maybe on some road that leads towards Vegas? Maybe east of home in the opposite direction?

Given that (per LE dispatch log) he called 911 at 3:26pm, what was he doing in the 3.5 hours prior? In addition to his described hike, "search" around the RV, out to some cave, etc, I suspect there was at least an hour of driving as well.

And speaking of his hike and search and checking out the cave, here is a question I'd like to see LE answer: when they found no indication of BT out there, did they find indication of *RT* out there? Tracks where he said he had been?

IMO this would be an important clue as to whether footprints in general were visible in that terrain in those environmental conditions.

That is assuming, of course, that RT went where he said he did. Which I have no reason to think he didn't.
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Very good point about looking for RT’s footprints. I also wish that a dog could have been sent to track/trail RT. However, I’m sure that that was impossible—since they were on a mission to try to find Barbara and save her life, so they needed to use the dogs for her, not for detective work in general.
 
LietKynes said:
Good catch. ^^^
So , the photo of her may have been taken two years earlier ?
Timestamps can be changed.
LE would know if this particular photo was altered.
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We don't know when the photo with the black bikini and red baseball cap was taken. A bit earlier in the thread, someone thought they'd found metadata indicating it was taken 2 years ago, but it was determined that that wasn't true. I'll edit this if I find the specific posts.
 
LietKynes said:
Wow. Thanks.
So it was altered.
Possibly even older ?
That particular photo was circulated in flyers and was also the photo RT wants people to think was taken the day of the hike.
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It doesn't mean the data was altered. In fact, since there is NO DATE rather than an altered one, I suspect the data was just not available. It could be a screenshot, or it came from Facebook, or whatever...lots of reasons the data can't be retrieved. MOO
 
LietKynes said:
Wow. Thanks.
So it was altered.
Possibly even older ?
That particular photo was circulated in flyers and was also the photo RT wants people to think was taken the day of the hike.
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No, my understanding of the data was that the 2017 date referred to when the device had been set up, rather than the date the picture was taken. So, nothing to do with when the picture was taken.

My understanding also is that this picture has been presented as a representation of how Barbara was dressed, but that there has never been any evidence that RT wanted people to think it was taken the day of the hike.

MOO
 
slowpoke said:
I also wondered about the “overturning rocks”. If she were trapped, it would likely be between huge “boulders”, and I’m not able to imagine how he would be able to turn those over.
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SABBM Me, too, that's yet another thing I find odd about his account. And can LE, any witnesses, or video confirm that RT actually went back out there to search?
 
LietKynes said:
Good catch. ^^^
So , the photo of her may have been taken two years earlier ?
Timestamps can be changed.
LE would know if this particular photo was altered.
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As far as I recall there has been no claim by RT that the bikini photo was of that day or even the same hat/bikini. It could have been, as happens often in missing person searches, simply a photo that approximates what she was wearing.

Personally I believe the photo was not of that day but was used as a basis for a description, but that is just MOO.

LietKynes said:
Wow. Thanks.
So it was altered.
Possibly even older ?
That particular photo was circulated in flyers and was also the photo RT wants people to think was taken the day of the hike.
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BBM. No, we don't have evidence it was altered. Just an understanding that the 2017 date seen in the metadata was not an indication of when the photo was taken but rather of when the digital profile (not sure if I'm using the correct terminology) was created. So the photo can't be older than that date but it can be anytime more recent. If I understand correctly.
 
LietKynes said:
Wow. Thanks.
So it was altered.
Possibly even older ?
That particular photo was circulated in flyers and was also the photo RT wants people to think was taken the day of the hike.
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Actually, we have no evidence that the metadata for that photo was altered. The photo was posted by the SBCSO and as far as I know was supposed to show what BT was wearing the day she disappeared. I don't think RT claimed the picture was from that day.

As explained in this post, the Exif data for the file contained something called an ICC_Profile. The date/time indicated when that profile was created, not when the photo was taken.

CA - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #6

When I looked at the same photo and compared it with another photo for which I could get date/time & location info, I found that that on my computer, that info was contained in tabs not found in the one from the Sheriff's office. Their website may strip away such info, or the photo may have been a digital picture of another digital photo, a scanned old-style photo, etc. JMO

CA - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #6

ETA: I see @Auntie Cipation, @PommyMommy, and @wary just posted similar things...
 
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