CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #8

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  1. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    I agree completely.

    It’s for that reason in particular, that I believe a crime was committed here.

    In most situations like this, I would think the exact opposite. But this situation isn’t like most:

    The nature of the terrain.

    The nature of their activity (walk, not hike).

    The road and RV being markers.

    The extensive search, and nothing found.
     
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  2. dbdb11

    dbdb11 Verified Family Member Barbara Thomas Case

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    he only mentioned being upset police hadn't immediately followed up with the cars in the 360 pic from the hill. i have no idea if police ever looked into that and they have not confirmed or denied ever having seen a 360 pic from a hill.
     
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    CSIDreamer Well-Known Member

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    Did we ever figure out where those cars were parked?
     
  4. dbdb11

    dbdb11 Verified Family Member Barbara Thomas Case

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    we had no reason to believe so. i personally believe she would not have told my family if she was ill, in order to keep from adding to our worries: she was scheduled to arrive in hk on the 23rd of july to visit her brother who was in hospital.

    i do not believe she was ill, and saw her in may of 2018, and she did not say anything about being ill, nor did she show any signs of being ill. she did say, 'this is the longest i've been without robbie since we got married' i didn't think much of it...

    she would have kept illness to herself unless it was life or death, imo.

    i say that because generally bullens are stubborn like that...
     
  5. MimosaMornings

    MimosaMornings Well- Known Member

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    And probably would not have wanted to worry her brother if anything was wrong.
     
  6. cazador

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    They had a helicopter in Sheryl's case and did not find her at 2/1/2 miles out over 4 days searching.. She was alive and well with a barking dog.. Just saying.
    They had a great SAR team for Barbara.
    But you would have to have a lot of people along the road where the 5th wheel was parked separated by 6 foot and walk a straight line to where RT lost sight of her to find her IF she was past out or deceased in a shaded spot where she attempted to hide from heat sickness that turned worse. A helicopter stays high and is not near the ground and can't look under large rocks and bushes. Dogs work sometimes and miss sometimes.
    It happens ..
    Common sense says she is there and needs to be found..
     
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  7. Curiousobserver

    Curiousobserver Well-Known Member

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    We don't have any evidence what happened. We have a statement by RT that I am sure the police are checking with a fine toothed comb.

    Car accident and a cover-up?, maybe. That could happen fast and wouldn't necessarily leave any trace. I think she could cross the road though. I give it a 1% chance.

    Abduction? (staged or otherwise), seems pretty unlikely unless she flagged down someone when she was lost. Again, about 1% chance.

    Homicide?, certainly possible and the SO is often to blame. I wouldn't be surprised. 30% leaning this way.

    Got lost?, this is very common in all kinds of terrain. Most lost people are found only a mile or so from where they were last seen; after extensive searches. The rest of my bets are on lost.

    I spent damn near an hour trying to get out of a corn maze once and we were 100 feet from a road. Finally cheated and walked through the rows.

    My point is, in hindsight it always seems illogical when someone makes a fatal mistake; e.g. how could she have gone straight at that intersection when she should have seen the camper and gone left? Why didn't she hear the road, why did she mistake that rock formation over there for the correct one she just came from....
     
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  8. SleuthingGame

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    Great story linked! I hadn't seen that before. What stood out to me was
    "What differentiates this case from the others is we didn’t know they were missing until a couple of weeks after they got here. If we had been out here sooner, our scent dogs would have been able to pick up on her scent, where they might have walked. Time is very critical.”

    Their conventional tracking methods, like footprints and bloodhounds or leftover items, weren’t effective because of how long it had been and how quickly the environment would’ve destroyed that evidence. Within one week, for example, any footprint would be entirely erased and a person’s scent wouldn’t be detectable by bloodhounds."
    From all accounts the search team and dogs were out at the site pretty quickly, by the next day it seems. Time was on their side and they did not find her. I truly don't believe she was ever out there.
     
  9. dbdb11

    dbdb11 Verified Family Member Barbara Thomas Case

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    to stage or to execute? when you say stage i think shakespeare.

    the goal being... to make a spouse disappear?

    why go to the trouble, indeed. more importantly, imo, why did she disappear when she did?

    according to my interpretation of LE statements she has vanished without a trace, and they DO NOT believe she was abducted.

    and they DO NOT plan to search for her anymore.

    so... i wonder... wtf do LE think happened?

    in your opinion it is an unnecessary step. but you might not have the means or will to outsource such a thing. you might not mind getting your hands dirty with a diy job... someone else might have different ideas and different resources than you. and it might make for a tighter alibi than 'she tripped and fell in that mine, i didn't push her' for example.

    i have a powerful imagination, so narratives come easy.

    in this case i dont need my imagination. (fully prepared for this to be deleted) i am talking about a professional lyer, a swindler, a lowlife scoundrel who would abandon his own daughter... his whole family thought he had mellowed with age and turned a new leaf. barb leveled him out apparently, and because of her they accepted him back into their homes. i don't blame the thomas's, and especially don't blame them for not digging through skeletons in the closet. but i will keep digging.

    again, i appreciate all of your combined efforts, but i'm angry too. the thought that this case could go cold, or that it was executed 'perfectly'....

    no. its not going to fade like that.
     
  10. dbdb11

    dbdb11 Verified Family Member Barbara Thomas Case

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    why fake an abduction when you can pull it off for real? i am not following this. you guys referring to witness protection or smthn?
     
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    LE wouldn't be looking at video surveillance footage at the store where RT stopped to buy ice at 9 am if they thought BT was still lost out there in the desert. MOO
     
  13. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    “A leopard doesn’t change its spots.”
     
  14. dbdb11

    dbdb11 Verified Family Member Barbara Thomas Case

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    not unless everything we have been told by the only witness is a lie, which is possible. i think he is telling a lot of truth though. including when he said they called him deceptive on the lie detector.

    i am just saying, i do not believe barbara got lost at the end of their stroll. not at all.
     
  15. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    I’ll tell you what would change my mind on the “planned abduction” theory:

    If there was unequivocal proof that Barb was actually there in the first place.

    Then there would actually be some logic behind it.

    “She was there. Here’s a photo. Now she’s gone.”
     
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    Reasonable & Just United We Stand

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    I appreciate your passion, but what would be the motive in this narrative? Insurance money?
     
  17. Curiousobserver

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    I think we are going to ultimately find out and I hope it brings your family some peace.

    The police are not accepting his words as fact, and are checking his story- as evidenced by their obtaining the video from the gas station. I bet they stopped at a few other gas stations and asked some questions at the phone company as well.
     
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    dbdb11 Verified Family Member Barbara Thomas Case

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    china* lone traveller. i think youre right otherwise.
     
  19. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I was responding to the suggestion of "faking" an abduction. Usually perps who do this leave some kind of evidence behind, or stage the scene to make it look like an abduction.

    In the case of a real abduction, I guess LE looks at the timeframe in which the person disappeared and any evidence to suggest an abduction.

    LE stated from the start they don't believe she was abducted, but we don't know what leads they have followed or if they have led to any evidence.

    I don't know about witness protection, as we would not be given any information about that and it's only in rare circumstances where witnesses are placed in witness protection. I doubt that would come into play in this case. Imo
     
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    Cherwell Ice Cream

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    If you consider that she might have walked off on her own, perhaps after an argument or tiff, with no immediate intention of going back to the RV, then getting lost seems more plausible.
     
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