Still Missing CA - Classic (Orson West, 3) & Cincere (Orrin West, 4) Calif. City, *parents charged* 21 Dec 2020 #7

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  • #721
I'll bet they were a handful. The older one looks like he's just at the stage to be ready to try to take over the world.

I'm sure the six kids together seemed like thirty-six, and maybe they really needed more hands on deck helping every day?

I also can't help but wonder if this would've been prevented by sending the kids to school to give the parents time to regroup and de-stress.

I'm generally an advocate of homeschooling as I did it myself once for a couple of years, but I know just how exhausting it is when you never have that daily break from the kids.

Unless homeschool was a way to avoid any outside interest into what was going on at home. Which, unfortunately, so many "homeschool" situations are... unfortunately, especially with adopted children.

Nubia Barahona, adopted child, who appeared neglected at school, and the parents decided to homeschool her and her brother Victor. Nubia was killed by her adoptive father a few years later.

And, JJ Vallow, another adopted child, was pulled out of school for "homeschooling", he was killed within a month of his discharge from school.

These are just two examples, both with threads here on WS. Sadly.
 
  • #722
Unless homeschool was a way to avoid any outside interest into what was going on at home. Which, unfortunately, so many "homeschool" situations are... unfortunately, especially with adopted children.
Yes; I know it is abused sometimes, which is sad. I remain a proponent, though, because so many -like my own DD- benefit greatly from it.

ETA: I also can't help noticing the correlation between homeschooling and fostering / adopting. It makes sense the kids need extra attention just like mine did, but...yeah...it's also a convenient shield against the oversight of social workers, neighbors and other community members.
 
  • #723
If not Covid19 related, trying to understand the home-school dynamic, I'm looking forward to learning the ages of the other children in the home.

I think it's safe to assume the youngest members of the West household were Orson and Orrin at ages 3 and 4.

If the Williams brothers were in fact children adopted by the Wests in 2018, they were ages 8 and 10. So that leaves the two biological children of TW and JW.

Also, while it's true that generally, CPS won't place a child with a family member with a felony conviction, or one that can't provide a drug-free environment, it's good to see MSM confirmation that it's not true that CA CPS removes the children of wards of the court or those who were once court-supervised minors, from their homes without additional cause.

“If a dependent child of the court has a baby while in foster care, that baby does not absolutely also become a dependent child of the court,” DHS spokeswoman Jana Slagle wrote in an email. “There are many factors that would be addressed in that type of situation....

We know that Orson (2016) and Orrin (2017) were both fostered in another home prior to being placed with the Wests as fosters in late 2018, and it's also not true that Orrin was removed from his home when only days old because CPS likes to keep siblings together (as alleged by the biomother).

IMO, if you are allowed to take the baby home from hospital and the infant is removed days later, generally, it's because of a failed drug test. MOO

 
  • #724
I don't feel it's relevant why they were in foster care, at this point. I think that distracts from why we're all here now.
 
  • #725
I don't feel it's relevant why they were in foster care, at this point. I think that distracts from why we're all here now.
For the most part I agree...but...they did have a family that loved them, even if they weren't great parents, either. At the end of the day they are victims of this broken foster system, too.
 
  • #726
IMO they waited until Christmas time to report the boys missing so they could put little presents and stockings under the tree for them and pretend everything was OK
Yes! I wish they had opened Orrin & Orson's presents. I bet they were empty boxes.
 
  • #727
Lengthy article. Much more at the link.

APR 3, 2023
[...]

The trial will not be in session this week but will return April 10. In the meantime, here’s what a summary of events to date, including particulars that didn’t make the paper and other details of note.

WITNESSES
Chief Deputy District Attorney Eric Smith began building his case at the moment the case first caught the public’s eye: Dec. 21, 2020 when the Wests reported Orrin and Orson missing while they played in their California City backyard. Smith called to the witness stand a dispatcher, three California City police officers and two of the Wests’ neighbors to explain what happened that night.

[...]

Smith has already presented more than four hours of body-worn camera footage including interviews of the Wests. It’s expected more footage is yet to be played...

[...]

There was never a complete search of about 40 sex offenders who lived in California City, according to statements elicited by defense attorney Timothy Hennessy.

[...]

There were at times heated exchanges during the cross examination between Hansen and an attorney representing Jacqueline West, Alekxia Torres Stallings.

[...]

Hansen had testified he had a 3-year-old at home, and therefore knew what smaller shoe prints looked like. Through this line of questioning, Prosecutor Smith brought out testimony from Hansen to show he was able to discern there were no kids’ shoe prints in the California City backyard — a possible clue to what might have happened to the boys.

But Hansen appeared to fail Torres Stallings’ fatherhood test. She noted there were diapers inside the house, in fact, and they were a size 6.

She asked Hansen whether he knew a diaper’s size doesn’t correlate to age, but weight.

No, he didn’t: Hansen said he doesn’t buy diapers and instead leaves that task to his wife — an answer that produced a look of disbelief in Torres Stallings’ face.

She also elicited testimony that Hansen lacks formal training in analyzing footprints.

There were questions, as well, about Hansen’s experience interviewing children. He testified he had some training in police academy about interviewing children but wasn’t able to say how long it lasted.

Under cross examination, Torres Stallings implied there’s a special method for interviewing children who are witnesses, as distinct from the method for young suspects. But when he interviewed children, Hansen used a method geared toward children suspected of committing a crime, not witnessing one, Torres Stallings asserted.

[...]

It was heartbreaking to hear the Wests’ other children will testify about Orrin and Orson dying, they said. Smith said during his opening statements one of the other children told a forensic interviewer how Orrin’s color changed before he started vomiting one night, which may have preceded his death. The same boy also allegedly told investigators there was a thud in Orson’s room one night and that Orson was never seen again.

“That’s the one that’s really gonna hurt the most,” Wills said.
 
  • #728
APR 5, 2023
[...]

The trial began on March 28 with cameras allowed for two days of opening statements. Those who couldn’t make it inside the courtroom could listen through an audio stream provided by the Kern County Superior Court.

[...]

On March 28, the trial had 948 listeners. On March 29, 1,425 listened. On March 30, 1,797 listened, according to Davis.

“This is the first time there has been a need to increase the number of licensees to accommodate the number of people accessing the audio livestream,” Davis said in an email.

[...]

With a highly sensitive case, Judge Charles Brehmer has implemented restrictions for what is allowed to be recorded. There are no cameras allowed for witness testimony, but the audio is streamed through the Kern County Superior Court’s website.

[...]
 
  • #729
APR 7, 2023
[...]

During opening statements, prosecutor Eric Smith said the couple’s four other children told authorities Orrin and Orson hadn’t been seen for weeks. One child, 10 at the time, said he witnessed Orrin die, Smith said.

Video surveillance footage showed no one could have snatched the children from the night the couple called police, Smith said. ...

Defense attorneys have argued police botched the investigation by failing to interview registered sex offenders in the area until a week passed, using inappropriate interview techniques on the Wests’ other children and ignoring certain leads, including one from a woman who claimed to have seen Orrin and Orson in Texas.

[...]

Jurors watched several hours of video footage during the first week, the longest being a two-hour interview of Trezell West with California City police and the FBI.

The interview, which took place a day after the Wests reported the children missing on Dec. 21, 2020, begins smoothly. Trezell West is calm and laughs at times as he speaks about his background. The questioning moves on to the events of the previous night.

More than an hour in, the mood takes a sharp turn. Police call West a liar. They say the boys were never at the home day the before. And they note his earlier, apparently jovial mood.

[...]

California City police Officer Brian Hansen has by far spent the longest time on the witness stand. His testimony lasted all day March 29 and part of March 30.

Hansen testified no children’s shoeprints were found in the dirt where Trezell West had said Orrin and Orson were playing the evening they were reported missing. Police dogs found no scent of them outside the home. Extensive searches involving multiple agencies and a helicopter turned up nothing.

[...]

Some neighbors of the Wests took the stand.

[...]

Plantz testified she had a pool in her backyard she cleaned every day. A fence separated her backyard from the Wests’, but there were gaps in it and she said she had a pretty clear view into their yard.

She said she saw a man in the Wests’ backyard carrying something the night the boys were reported missing but didn’t see or hear children.

“There was never, in 21 years, any children in that backyard,” she said.

Dobbins, who lived across the street from the Wests and has since moved to Texas, testified he gave police access to his Google Nest camera. Full-length video capability had been disabled because he and his wife were planning to move, but the motion-activated camera took still photos of the Wests’ van parked out front and law enforcement arriving the night the boys were reported missing.

[...]
 
  • #730
If LEO obtained credit card/debit card information, maybe the fact that the Wests stopped purchasing diapers could be a clue that the boys were no longer around. That is, unless medicaid was supplying them.
 
  • #731
BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — After months of anticipation, the trial of Trezell and Jacqueline West kicked off last week with a prosecutor laying out the evidence that resulted in murder charges against the couple in the deaths of their two youngest adopted children.

The trial resumes Monday following a week-long break. Another, as yet unidentified, witness called by the prosecution will take the stand and an hour-long video played for the jury.

 
  • #732
BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — Public interest in the trial of Trezell and Jacqueline West has forced the Kern County Superior Court to accommodate a fervent online audience and with it, issues of sidestepping court media guidelines.

The court has not been in session this week.

Kern County Superior Court Public Affairs Officer Kristin Davis told KGET.com hundreds have logged on to the proceedings. The number grew over the first three days of the trial.

On March 28, the trial had 948 listeners. On March 29, 1,425 listened. On March 30, 1,797 listened, according to Davis.

Some don’t play by the rules, however.

Davis said she is aware of illegal streaming of proceedings on other platforms and will bring it to the court’s attention.


Hope the jackholes doing the illegal recording don't ruin it for everyone!!
 
  • #733
I don't feel it's relevant why they were in foster care, at this point. I think that distracts from why we're all here now.

Actually, I am interested in why O & O were placed with the Wests, that is relevant to me, because it doesn't seem like either one of the Wests were actually working, and that is a requirement for foster placement, that one adult in the home has a job, or has income aside from foster care subsidies.
 
  • #734
Actually, I am interested in why O & O were placed with the Wests, that is relevant to me, because it doesn't seem like either one of the Wests were actually working, and that is a requirement for foster placement, that one adult in the home has a job, or has income aside from foster care subsidies.
I think Trezell's self-employment selling beats probably qualified.
 
  • #735
I think Trezell's self-employment selling beats probably qualified.
I can't remember what the minimum earned income is, but think it was a couple grand. You could then file an income tax return and qualify for all the child tax credits and EIC. Which for them with all the kids would be $10-12 grand, maybe more. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
 
  • #736
Actually, I am interested in why O & O were placed with the Wests, that is relevant to me, because it doesn't seem like either one of the Wests were actually working, and that is a requirement for foster placement, that one adult in the home has a job, or has income aside from foster care subsidies.
Wasn't there some thought WW who worked for KC in that department, pulled some strings in all this?
 
  • #737
Wasn't there some thought WW who worked for KC in that department, pulled some strings in all this?

That is what I thought, and hope that this case goes into that. There seems something off on the assessment process, especially as there were already four kids in the house, placing two more, especially if they were diagnosed as "special needs" because of prenatal exposure to drugs, really seems sketchy to me.
 
  • #738
That is what I thought, and hope that this case goes into that. There seems something off on the assessment process, especially as there were already four kids in the house, placing two more, especially if they were diagnosed as "special needs" because of prenatal exposure to drugs, really seems sketchy to me.
Not sure if they will delve into that at trial because of the pending lawsuits, but like you. I’d be very interested in hearing all the details on the basis for the suits.
 
  • #739
Actually, I am interested in why O & O were placed with the Wests, that is relevant to me, because it doesn't seem like either one of the Wests were actually working, and that is a requirement for foster placement, that one adult in the home has a job, or has income aside from foster care subsidies.

I agree that it's relevant-- especially since there seems to be this false narrative that two healthy, happy toddlers came to the West family as fosters in late 2018, and shortly after they adopted them, they were murdered and disappeared. It's equally as important to understand the history that may have contributed to their death so it does not repeat itself.

The truth is that Orrin was only 3 months old when he was removed from his biological home by Human Service after his mother took him to the hospital on Nov 13, 2016, crying uncontrollably, and doctors determined his legs were broken. At the time, he'd been home alone with his biological father. From Nov 2016 until late 2018 when Orrin was placed with the West family, it's unknown how many foster homes Orrin had been in.

When Orson was born in June 2017, he was released into his mother's care and went home with her. But according to his birth mother, Orson was also taken from his biological home about a week later. How many foster homes was Orson in from June 2017 to late 2018 when he landed with the West family? Why did the previous foster family surrender the baby? Did he have special needs?

IMO, knowing the history also helps explains why the toddlers seemed to fear being left alone in a room and cried constantly (per TW). Perhaps Orrin's broken legs did not heal properly and he experienced physical pain.

We will never know. Nonetheless, it's very clear that the West couple were obviously not prepared or a good fit to foster toddlers with special needs, and how placing them with these parents ultimately resulted in their deaths.

One truly has to ask if the Wests were a last resort for Human Services or why they placed two toddlers with a family that could not care for them.

I fear the children were not surrendered by the West parents when they realized they could not care for them because they wanted to keep the income benefits assigned to each child. MOO

Where are the boys? The tragic disappearance of 2 children from California

 
  • #740
Not sure if they will delve into that at trial because of the pending lawsuits, but like you. I’d be very interested in hearing all the details on the basis for the suits.
The lawsuit was recently dismissed by the court for cause.


Jan 30, 2023

A federal judge dismissed a $40 million lawsuit filed against the Kern County Department of Human Services and others by the California City brothers’ biological family because it lacks a factual basis to prove their allegations against defendants, according to an order filed Monday.
 
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