CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #19

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  1. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    On Feb 4th, 2010 the McStay Family, Joey, Summer, Gianni, and Joseph Jr vanished from their home. It looked like the family simply got up and left their home never to return.

    Law Enforcement was convinced that the McStay family ran away to Mexico.

    Patrick McStay, Joey's father, along with other loved ones knew there was no way Joey and his family would never flee to Mexico. There was no reason for this scenario presented by law enforcement.

    Up until the remains of the family were found buried in the desert on November 11, 2013, Patrick McStay searched for his son and his family.

    Family friend Chase Merritt was arrested for the McStay family murders on Nov 7th, 2014 and finally, Merritt's first-degree murder trial is underway.

    The McStay forum is in our private section. However, we are making the discussion of the trial public.

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  2. Harmony 2

    Harmony 2 Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    STOP personalizing posts. Timeouts will be forthcoming if this manner of posting continues.

    Differences of opinion are to be expected and are allowed as long as the discussion remains civil and respectful. Looking at something from another angle is the foundation of this forum community. To expect members from all over the world and all walks of life to think the same is unrealistic.

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    Continue discussion here...
    Post #2 still applies. Posters continue to personalize posts. Posting in this manner may result in the loss of posting privileges.
     
  4. LadyL

    LadyL Well-Known Member

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    citygirl said:
    "But not when you say you are too sick to represent your client in court."

    bringing this over from the last thread to say ...

    if the work is the source of the illness (stress) then yes
    also, there are many illnesses that manifest themselves inconsistently
    he could've been fine for just a couple hours
     
  5. mrjitty

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    @Tortoise

    Yes - it also rather gives the impression he hadn't done the work yet
     
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    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    I read the link again that smr had posted in the now closed thread where Maline is quoted about having to prove CMs innocence.

    Imo, the DT knows if CM is convicted the jury is going to sentence him to death, and he even mentions why imo.

    There's two children, age three, and four who had their skulls crushed in with a hammer. Paraphasing.

    The DT is very worried about the death penalty turning out to be the punishment handed down, and they should be. Imo

    Imo
     
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  7. Recidivist

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    Perhaps then, one should consider another line of work. If I were a family member of one of the victims, or in this case, four of the victims, I would be losing my mind over the games being played in that courtroom.
     
  8. la2cabo

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    I'm not convinced the jury is too concerned about putting Merritt to death. This is why:
    1) CA last executed a person in January of 2006
    2) Merritt is 60+ years old
    3) Merritt would likely be dead before all appeals are exhausted and that's assuming he's assigned a relatively decent public defender who actually cares about appealing the verdict

    Merritt deserves to have his life snuffed out just like the McStays did but it likely won't happen. At least we know he'll never die outside the cold walls of prison or jail. The clock is ticking...
     
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  9. la2cabo

    la2cabo Well-Known Member

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    I wish we could hear how the family is handling all of this. I wonder if they have a court advocate to help them address their concerns, if any. What would happen if the family wrote a letter to the judge voicing their concerns about the delays, etc.? Would that cause a mistrial?
     
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    I seriously doubt that it’d cause a mistrial. The judge, unlike the jury, is supposed to be a professional, and to be able to handle appeals to emotion, and all sorts of other things.
     
  11. la2cabo

    la2cabo Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't sure about a family member making contact with the judge. I'm sure somebody would complain. Lol
     
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    Following
     
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  13. Bobcat1

    Bobcat1 Verified Insider for the McStay Family

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    I can tell you there is an advocate for the families and some of them are in contact with her every day and some periodically. If you want verification of this she is in the courtroom every day with Tracy Russell (Summer's sister). PM speaks to her regularly and has been with Tracy and her on his trips to the trial.
     
  14. oceanblueeyes

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    Hi la2!

    On this we will have to respectfully degree this time. Lol!

    These jurors are death penalty qualified jurors for a valid reason.

    I do think if convicted they will impose the harshest punishment allowed under CA law.

    It really isn't about him ever being executed. Athough I did read last year they are going to find ways to speed up the appeal process, which is great news.

    It's all about rendering the harshest, and correct punishment allowed to be handed down that fits the crimes committed on who, and how CM murdered all 4 victims.

    Its evident juries in CA most definitely thought/think the DP is/was the appropriate punishment for certain individual defendants since they have over 700 inmates on death row. I have no doubt all those juries knew about the DP not being carried out like it should be too.. But that was irrelevant to them. They were there to decide which punishment fit the crimes.

    What the government does or doesnt do afterwards once the sentenced was handed down by them was/is irrelevant to the juries as it should be. They are there to solely decide what the correct punishment should be based on each individual DP trial.

    I realize it's the government who is standing in the way, and thumbing their nose to all the juries who actually sat on all of those cases, who with great thought, seriously decided the harshest punishment should be carried out.

    It's not the fault of all of those countless jurors that the government has some of the longest appeal processes in the nation. Nor is it their fault their heavily weighed decisions have not been carried out. They did their duty. What happens after then has nothing to do with their rendered decisions at trial.

    And the last poll I saw over 60 percent in CA still want the DP as an option.

    I most certainly do believe if CM is convicted of brutally murdering two parents, and not one, but two, very defenseless little children, the jury will vote death because it is the most deserving sentence they are allowed to render. based on the severity, and heinousness of the four murders.

    I also believe the DT knows he will be sentenced to death too if convicted. Maline pretty much said so himself in the article.

    He knows what will come next if CM is convicted, and it gets to the sentencing phase. It will only get far worse for CM in that phase

    It's not often even parents brutally murder their own children with a sledgehammer. It's even much more rare for any murderer to carry them out against young children who isn't even kin to the murdered children.

    Jmo
     
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  15. wary

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    Thank you. I’m so glad the family has this support.
     
  16. la2cabo

    la2cabo Well-Known Member

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    That's great news! How is the family holding up? Are they getting just as frustrated as the rest of us? It's been 9+ years since the family was murdered and it's about time the family gets some peace.
     
  17. la2cabo

    la2cabo Well-Known Member

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    You make some excellent points, OBE. Thank you. I think you have changed my thought process on the subject. :)
     
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    About 20 years or so ago, I heard a news report of a father in New York who did a deed like Andrea Yates. Took his 4 children one by one into the basement and bludgeoned them with a hammer. From what I recall it was not foreseeable for him to do it. No rhyme nor reason. I never followed up on the story and lost track. It was only local news and I only knew of it because I lived there at the time.

    It goes to show that some of the worst monsters could be living under your own roof.
     
  19. smr

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    Big kudos to Post #1629 from the previous thread

    Very informative, too. Thank you MsFacetious! :thumbs up:

     
  20. Funky funky

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    Death penalty or not, an oxygen thief like Chase Merritt, who brutally murdered 2 defenceless children, will be a dead man walking in prison IMO.
     
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