Many minds ...I may have misunderstood his comment. That’s important. Thanks!
For those of you who don have time to read 704 pages, the budget section which covers the Sheriffs Dept runs from page 2 463 to page 2 502.
Great post—thanks for this!AWP is based in the PNW and they're long known in this area, especially for recovering vehicles for cold cases. Countless times they've recovered vehicles from areas previously searched by SAR. This recovery is really no different.
In fact, this happens so often (whether recovered by ground or in water) that WS has a thread dedicated to cases where remains are located in the same area previously searched by SAR.
@bombardier compiled an excellent starter list of MP cases that ended with the person's remains found in/near a location that had already been searched (some multiple times) by LE/SAR. Other WS members added a few cases to the list as well. I and others thought it would be useful to start a...www.websleuths.com
SBBM It was AWP that stated that LE told them the area had been searched previously. The link to the NY Times article where a spokesperson for AWP stated this has been posted several times.<modsnip> —if they wanted to discourage them, they could have simply prevented it, saying it was an active investigation.
I don't know why this would be needed. AWP is fairly new to this, but have been extremely successful. I don't know why it isn't a better idea to let them do it and allow the government to try to "hone" in on their skillset a bit more. Just my honest opinion, but I think more and more LE will trust and look to AWP for help in such situations. Just like LE does call in Texas EquuSearch.
I wouldn't go that far. A few days ago, anyone who asked about side sonar locations was reminded that "submerged in water" had already been discussed and the discussion had moved on. Even police said that the investigation had moved on to include criminal possibilities.Good post. I wish we had more like this. IMO
^^RSBMI don't think anything can be ruled out at this point, but I was pretty convinced by the argument that the damage to the car might have taken place during its removal.
Most likely - the car entered the water and as it hit the lakebed, it tipped depending on where it hit first. One part might be sticking up, it might be necessary to break the windows to put a winch through the car to roll it over,Jared Leisek founded AwP 5 years ago because he was diving for trash in order to provide a cleaner marine environment. About 3 years ago, he found a car underwater. Doug Bishop joined his endeavors because he owned a towing company. Doug became the Team's Lead Diver.
Oregonian divers travel across the US finding missing people
Tim Miller – Founder and Director Tim Miller founded Texas EquuSearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team in August 2000. It is dedicated to his daughter, Laura, who was abducted and murdered in north Galveston County in 1984.
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Perhaps any damages to the vehicle are from when it rolled over on its driver's side, then turtled with wheels up, into the reservoir. Two weeks in the water is a long time, esp since her windows may have been down allowing critters to enter. Could her hair follicles still contain data for possible drugs ingested?
BBM, yes. As it was filling, it was also moving deeper/further out with momentum and it could have been subjected to underwater currents. It looks like the one window was open, maybe as she was driving. Other windows closed due to dust? If the heavy engine was sinking first and water poured into the one window, it could have rolled it, causing her to swim/be pulled towards the back of the vehicle that was oriented upside down. Trying to swim out of the upside down window would be impossible. The lake is murky and it must have been very disorienting, dark, and cold.Thank you!
The car was found 14 feet deep, 2 weeks ago that was 19 feet deep. Two weeks ago, the car would have been farther from shore than 55 feet.
Sounds like the car traveled quite a distance into the water before submerging - reminds me of Susan Smith describing her submerged car with her sons in the back seat.
I think the murky muddy water and rotating car would have made it difficult to get oriented to an open window. Maybe the front window wouldn't open so she opened the back window, she released her seatbelt, thinking she'd have a really good story after this, but couldn't get out in time.
I agree, the damaged mirror could have been from righting it. The broken windows in the front most likely were from vehicle recovery, needing a place to attach floats, etc. Drain water. I can't imagine she broke both out. I can't image the impact would explode those out and not the windshield.If the car was upside down then one or the other of the two side mirrors would get damaged turning the car upright.
Divers use air bags to move things underwater and may have been used in this case to right the car. It's not been spelled out how the car was righted but it would be a minor task for trained rescue divers.