CA - Long Beach, WhtMale UP4400, 18-30, dismembered, in dumpster, Aug'79

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  1. Ambercat

    Ambercat New Member

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    I've been looking at these two cases on NamUs for some time --

    ME/C Case # 197910802 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4401

    ME/C Case # 7943501 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4400

    Both of them were found on August 29, 1979. ME/C Case # 197910802 (NamUs UP # 4401) was found at 6280 E. 2ND ST, Long Beach, CA 90803. ME/C Case # 7943501 (NamUs UP # 4400) was found at Pacific Coast Highway and 2ND ST, Long Beach, CA 90803, which is the corner where 6280 E. 2ND ST is located. There used to be a 76 Gas Station at that address until a couple of years ago. Both 4400 and 4401 are described as being 72 inches tall with brown hair and their body condition is listed as not recognizable - partial remains with soft tissues. For a long time, I had just assumed that the listing were a duplicate of each other and this was John Doe "76" on Randy Kraft's list.

    I noticed there are some big differences between the listings, such as one has a low identification potential (4400) and the other's identification potential is rated medium high (4401). They have different scars all together -- 4400 has a scar on his left knee and 4401 has a scar on his abdomen.

    I am wondering now if these are actually two parts (sorry, I don't mean to be graphic) of the same man or two different men? It seems like if it was all the same person, he would only have one listing. I am trying to find newspaper articles about this person/these people, but so far haven't been able to. If this is two people, they would be one of the 2 in 1 listings?

    Also, I heard back from Kern County and the UID found near Taft has never been identified.
     
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    Recently, I was looking through old copies of the Long Beach Press-Telegram for an article about Bell Boy when he was found. Although, I haven't been able to find any press coverage about him, I did find an article about https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4400, who was known at the time as "John Doe #299" and thought to be the "76" notation on Randy Kraft's list because he was found at the Union 76 gas station that used to be on the corner of 2nd St and Pacific Coast Hwy in Long Beach. I think he could also be the "LB Marina" because there are two marinas very close to the gas station (the Alamitos Bay Marina on the other side of the hotel and the Marina Pacifica condominiums and marina across 2nd St). There is a sketch of the UID that accompanies the article and some other information about the young man (such as his upper right tooth was chipped).
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    This is a photo of the Edgewater Union 76 station (as it was known at the time). This photo appeared earlier in 1979 to accompany an article about gas prices (in case anyone was wondering how it looked at the time).
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    The Alamitos Bay Marina (aka "Long Beach Marina" at the time is on the other side of the Hyatt House Hotel, which is now the SeaPort Marina Hotel).

    While I am not really sure about the circumstances of his disappearance, if I can recall correctly, I think one of Larry Williams' front teeth was chipped (and he sort of looks like the sketch, IMO). I'm not really sure if it is possible that he ran away from home and later met with foul play, somehow the idea just doesn't sit right with me.
     
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    Sorry to quote my own post, but I was looking for some information about Wilmington John Doe and I realized that originally (when John Doe 76 was listed as NamUs UPs# 4400 and 4401 there was mention of a scar on his abdomen, which somehow was no longer mentioned when both entries were combined. Like John Doe 76, Larry Dean Williams --

    Plus, I really think Larry looks like the Press Telegram sketch. I wonder if it is possible he ran away from home in 1975, but stayed around Long Beach?

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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4559/14
     
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    I'm not sure why I have been seeing possible matches with escaped prisoners lately, but even though I came across him in NamUs, Ricky Olson escaped from a Florida prison where he was serving a 10 year sentence for robbery with a firearm in July 1975. In 1979, he would have been about 28 or 29 years old. Even though Ricky Olson's eyes are listed as blue and John Doe 76/NamUs #4400/2475UMCA's eyes are listed as brown, I see a resemblance between the two (hair color, height, and weight are consistent, Mr. Olson's age is at the higher end of John Doe's estimated age from 18 to 30).

    rickyolson.jpeg 2475UMCA_LARGE.jpg

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/28694/11

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4400
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/2475umca.html

    When John Doe 76 had two files at NamUs (4400 and 4401), a scar on his abdomen was noted (for whatever reason, the scar is no longer noted); Ricky Olson reportedly has a scar on his chest. It seems a bit strange [per NamUs] that Floridian authorities don't have Ricky Olson's fingerprints even though he escaped from prison.
     
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    The crime library article about Kraft is here http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/kraft/1.html and an article about Kraft's scorecard, which I will refer to, is here http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-02/local/me-4891_1_kraft-case-randy.

    To start with the unidentified victims already connected to Randy Kraft, there were five of them at the time of the 1988 article, but Airplane Hill John Doe of the scorecard was identified as Kevin Clark Bailey in 1995 (http://articles.latimes.com/1995-03-04/local/me-38689_1_clark-bailey), which leaves us with four UIDs...

    3. 76 John Doe, found in August 29, 1979. https://identifyus.org/cases/4400
     

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