CA CA - Pamela Jean Spencer, 20, Santa Monica, 26 Jan 1973

[Bit of hope]

I think this one looks good especially since mentions hard contacts lenses which in the 1970s was not as common for people to have contact lenses as it is now.
Also the distance really does not bother me. She was hitchhiking she could of gotten in a car or truck and the guy could of taken advantage of her early on then dumped her dog along the way and dumped her as far as possible.
I wonder if the dog was found but because there was no internet it was harder to find out whose dog it was. Who knows if it had tags.
Someone should def submit this one!

@madamx are you able to see the rule outs for Pamela and Jane Doe? Maybe they looked into it already.

 

[madamx]

@madamx are you able to see the rule outs for Pamela and Jane Doe? Maybe they looked into it already.

No i cant maybe someone else can

 

[SimsGuy67]

Does anyone have any Doe exclusions for Pamela? I know a few cases she's a listed exclusion in but not them all

 

[SimsGuy67]

<modsnip> you can try the AncestryDNA and then when you get the results back you can download it as a DNA Data File and upload that to GED Match. Then your DNA can be compared with Jane Doe's across the country and if theirs a match then you have found your aunt. There are other ways but this is the only way I know how. Note that the test can be expensive but if you truly want closure I'm afraid it's the only way to submit your DNA.

 

[SimsGuy67]

Unfortunately everyone else has passed away but thanks for the information I would definitely love some closure

So sorry for all your losses. If you want I can try looking into some Jane Doe's I think could be her? I know she has probably been excluded for a good few of them but I believe that any set of hands can help substantially. I will post any good matches here.

 

[Gypsy11]

This is a copy.of the original missing posters my grandparents made

 

[SimsGuy67]

This is a copy.of the original missing posters my grandparents made

Thank you so much

Her nor her dog were ever located sorry for the typo

I feel like her dog wouldn't be with her remains. I think it would be too obvious that it was Pamela. I feel like the dog would be either be let go into the wild or be killed and dumped or buried elsewhere. I am beginning to look into Jane Doe's that could be Pamela.

 

[Gypsy11]

I feel like her dog wouldn't be with her remains. I think it would be too obvious that it was Pamela. I feel like the dog would be either be let go into the wild or be killed and dumped or buried elsewhere. I am beginning to look into Jane Doe's that could be Pamela.

I also feel that the dog would have been a give away. That has always been my belief as well.

 

[SimsGuy67]

I also feel that the dog would have been a give away. That has always been my belief as well.

I have a Jane Doe here that I would exclude if it wasn't for her belongings. She was wearing a striped brown blouse and a small rectangular purse. Pamela may have had the exact same purse with her when she went missing. The only problem is that the earliest time of death is 14 years after she went missing. I have more options but this one stunned me when I saw the identical purse description.
Doe: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Pamela: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Has she been excluded as this Doe?

 

[HmmMysterious]

I have a Jane Doe here that I would exclude if it wasn't for her belongings. She was wearing a striped brown blouse and a small rectangular purse. Pamela may have had the exact same purse with her when she went missing. The only problem is that the earliest time of death is 14 years after she went missing. I have more options but this one stunned me when I saw the identical purse description.
Doe: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Pamela: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Has she been excluded as this Doe?

No she hasn't.

 

[SimsGuy67]

No she hasn't.

I would submit but I believe not even NamUs would look into it. I don't know if the estimated time of death has ever been this far. The brown blouse also matches as Pamela was last seen wearing a brown shirt.

 

[HmmMysterious]

I would submit but I believe not even NamUs would look into it. I don't know if the estimated time of death has ever been this far. The brown blouse also matches as Pamela was last seen wearing a brown shirt.

Not the footwear though. Pamela was wearing brown suede clogs when she vanished. This decedent had on yellow thong style sandals.

 

[Caring1]

Does anyone have any Doe exclusions for Pamela? I know a few cases she's a listed exclusion in but not them all

If there have been any UID exclusions for Pamela, they are not listed in NamUs.

 

[SimsGuy67]

This keeps happening. It says my post wasn't added because of an error and to try again but when I try again it duplicates! What's happening. This is the duplicate post so I'm editing it to ask for help with the issue. Note that I only joined 2 days ago so I'm not the best at truly understanding this website yet.

 

[SimsGuy67]

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If there have been any UID exclusions for Pamela, they are not listed in NamU

Just remembered that I was thinking of Patricia Spencer, not Pamela. Sad to know that she has no exclusions as there probably are Doe's that perfectly match her. Does she have DNA or Dentals or Fingerprints available? That could be the reason she doesn't have exclusions. Doe Network says "Unknown" so that doesn't help.

 

[SimsGuy67]

Not the footwear though. Pamela was wearing brown suede clogs when she vanished. This decedent had on yellow thong style sandals.

Note that on her NamUs it says "Possibly". Pamela may or may not have been wearing these clogs. True she couldn't have had the purse but she may or may not have had brown suede clogs or a small square/rectangular purse.

 

[Den56]

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She did have her dog with her. She absolutely was not hitchhiking. Her van with all her belongings was recovered in Santa Monica but her and her dog were located. I don't know why they say she was hitchhiking

why would police say she was hitchhiking and why did they never correct that if your relatives knew it wasn't true?
maybe her relatives thought she would never do that but perhaps her vehicle broke down and she had to and felt safe with the dog

 

[CCJD]

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why would police say she was hitchhiking and why did they never correct that if your relatives knew it wasn't true?
maybe her relatives thought she would never do that but perhaps her vehicle broke down and she had to and felt safe with the dog

Secret Witness (it sounds like a Crime Stoppers kind of thing) posted the attached in the Malibu-Topanga News June 14, 1973.
Note: they have date last seen as Jan 27th instead of the 26th.

14 Jun 1973, 11 - Malibu-Topanga News at Newspapers.com

www.newspapers.com

(subscription required)

 

[Bit of hope]

This woman Pamela Spencer is my mother's sister. She wasn't hitchhiking. She was driving her van from NY. To California to meet her boyfriend. I sincerely believe she was a victim of Bundy. I could be wrong but I feel she is Washington and he drove her van to California to keep police off his trail. I hope and pray one day she will be found and returned home. I am one of the last surviving family members and I would only hope that one day before I leave this earth I could find out the truth about what happened to my sweet Aunt Pam

Welcome @Gypsy11 So sorry you and your family have/had to go through all the sadness and the pain of not knowing the faith of your aunt. Very frustrating the information that is out there doesn't seem to fit your recollection of things. If she took a van to travel up there, that was found, it would be a major change in the narrative surrounding her disappearance.

First of all I recommend you to become a verified insider in your aunt's case. Then you can post inside information/things you know to be true without including the required links to substantiate your information, like non-insiders have to do, according to the WS rules. Underneath you find the link to it.

Verification Process for Professional or Insider posters

How would I find out if DNA was ever recovered from a family member of my aunt? We never really spoke about Pam because of my grandmother and other things but I want to give my DNA so they could run it against Missing women if it hasn't already been done

About familiar DNA from the Namus site. DNA.

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Can a family member collect or submit his/her own DNA sample?​

How do I collect a Family Reference Sample?​

A Family Reference Sample must be collected by a law enforcement officer, medical examiner, coroner, or other medicolegal investigator employed by NamUs and can be collected utilizing a prepackaged collection kit that can be obtained through a NamUs Regional Program Specialist.

Which family members are best for collection?​

First-degree relatives (parent, full sibling, or child) are most beneficial for Short Tandem Repeat (STR) DNA comparisons. Second-degree relatives (half-sibling, aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) may be useful for limited STR comparisons, as well as for Y-STR or mitochondrial DNA comparisons; however, first-order relatives are always preferred when available.

How many family members should provide DNA samples?​

In order for proper searching to take place in CODIS, and for potential associations to be identified, DNA profiles from at least two family members should be collected for every missing person case. If no first-degree relatives are available, additional family reference collections may be required. If you have questions regarding DNA collections in a particular case, contact your NamUs Regional Program Specialist.

Does it matter how half-siblings are related?​

It is important to note on the DNA submission paperwork if siblings share only one parent, and if they are half-siblings, it is important to note if they are paternally or maternally related, as this information will allow the laboratory to ensure that proper searching takes place within CODIS. For instance, half-siblings who share the same mother will be utilized as both a nuclear and mitochondrial DNA reference.

This are the contacts for your aunt's case.
The Regional Program Specialist contact for this case is Allison O'Neal.

• (817) 372-4169
• aoneal@rti.org

Investigating Agencies​

CASE OWNER

Santa Monica Police Department​

Agency Case Number 731792

Sadly no name, no telephone number.

There is a general telephone number

Contact Us:​

• (310) 395-9931
• community.affairs@santamonica.gov

The division that handles this kind of cases should be the this division

Criminal Investigations​

The Criminal Investigations Division houses our Detectives, Forensics, Records, Property, in addition to the Adult and Juvenile Diversion Programs.

I found this from the PD. It's about the handling of missing persons cases

https://public.powerdms.com/SANTAMONICACA/documents/273665

You also could try to contact f.i. the Doe Network, Charley Project. This are the sites (besides the entry in Namus, where your aunt has a file and ask them to change the circumstances around your aunt's missing. Maybe the PD has more info around this case then there is available on Namus and they are willing to correct it. You could also discuss this with the Namus Regional Program Specialist.

There are a lot of steps to be taken and from reading other cases it takes a lot of time and disappointments along the way. Don't let it discourage you. I wish you strength, persistence and good luck, hoping one day you know what happened to your aunt.

Also speaking for other WS members, we are glad to be of any help.

 

[Bit of hope]

From My Heritage

Yearbook 1969, Gloversville High School, Gloversville, Fulton County, New York.




Yearbook 1968



From Pamela Jean Spencer – The Charley Project
She is very nearsighted and wears contact lenses or wire-rimmed Air Force style eyeglasses with tinted lenses.

In this pictures no glasses. I think she has an lazy eye. If her eyes are like mine, the lazy eye is bad, the other OK, at least when I was young.

I think this is her too or a family member. P. Spencer. Gloversville High School, in Gloversville, Fulton County, New York. 1968. Could she have changed schools?