CA CA - Patricia Neufeld, 34, Garden Grove, 22 Nov 1978

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  1. Ambercat

    Ambercat New Member

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    On November 22, 1978, Patricia Ann Neufeld, 34, was found murdered at her home in Garden Grove, California. To this day, her murder has not been solved. In 2006, the Discovery Channel featured the case on their show, Sensing Murder (this is where I learned about the case).

    November 22, 1978 was a Tuesday before Thanksgiving; it was a rainy day in Garden Grove (according to the Orange County Register). Patricia Neufeld, a housewife and mother of three, had been babysitting two children (described by the Orange County Register as two infants and by the LA Times as her 5-year old son and another child), a girl and boy, at 6231 Richmond Avenue that day. She was bludgeoned to death with a bowling pin. She was discovered by her ten year old son when he returned from school. The two children she had been watching were unharmed. Her husband was working at the time and cleared of any involvement.

    The Neufeld home was located near the 405 and 22 Freeways and Los Alamitos AAF. It is on the west side of Garden Grove.

    It has been suggested that Gerald Parker, a serial killer who was active in Orange County at the time (who is currently on California’s Death Row), was responsible for the murder. Although he admitted to other murders, he has repeatedly denied committing the murder of Patricia Neufeld. Personally, I don’t believe that she was murdered by Gerald Parker.

     
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  3. Ambercat

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    I looked on the Unsolved Crimes on the Garden Grove Police website. Mrs. Neufeld's case was not listed. http://www.ci.garden-grove.ca.us/?q=police/unsolved

    I e-mailed them and ask that they list it. I wonder why they hadn't originally. Does anyone know if it has been solved and that is why it is not listed?
     
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    According to the Garden Grove Police Department, the case has not been solved and it is still an active investigation.
     
  5. Ambercat

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    It has been 33 years this month since Mrs. Neufeld was murdered. Hopefully the truth will come to light soon.
     
  6. marycarney

    marycarney Inactive

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    Any other sources of information available???
     
  7. Ambercat

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    The Garden Grove Police Department added a page about Patricia Neufeld’s unsolved murder on their website

    http://www.ci.garden-grove.ca.us/?q=police/Unsolved/1978/Neufeld

    Patricia’s murder was featured on Sensing Murder on the Discovery Channel a while back. This is where I learned about the case. This is the LA Times and Orange County Register articles about the show

    http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/20/local/me-psychic20
    http://www.ocregister.com/news/case-42932-campbell-neufeld.html

    She is also mentioned in news articles archived on this website discussing the Original Night Stalker.

    http://earbk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=updates&action=print&thread=28

    This is all the information I could find right now, sorry. If I find anything else, I will post it here.
     
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    This sketch was distributed in regard to a series of bludgeoning attacks/murders that took place at around the same time as Mrs. Neufeld's murder in Orange County. Over a decade later, it was learned that several of those murders were committed by Gerald Parker, although the sketch looks nothing like Gerald Parker. Could the mystery man in the sketch also be the person responsible for Patricia Neufeld's murder?
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    https://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/theirvinesketch
    More about the sketch -- http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=e1EfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=GNIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1030,3460799&hl=en
     
  10. Ambercat

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    I found an article from the November 28, 1978 from the Santa Ana Orange County Register about Patricia Neufeld's murder. It has some information which is new to me.

    Cleanup Of Bludgeon Scene Stalled http://newspaperarchive.com/santa-ana-orange-county-register-evening/1978-11-28/page-6?tag=patricia+neufeld&rtserp=tags/?page=2&pep=patricia-neufeld&psb=relavance&ref=fbc

    Does LE have a viable fingerprint from the killer? Has it ever been run for identification?

    According to the article, there is a lack of motive and suspects, but --
    Something about that doesn't sound quite right.
     
  11. Snufamonbobball

    Snufamonbobball But O for the touch of the vanished hand & the sou

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    I just watched the Sensing Murder Episode about Ms. Neufield a couple of weeks ago- I wondered if she was an early ONS victim, but I don't think there were any documented attacks by him during the daylight (not that she wasn't just a victim of opportunity).
    Do you know when Parker's preferred hours of operation were? She was located in the heart of his geographical preference.
     
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    Just Pat 22 Verified Insider

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    MADELINE ANNA BABCOCK HAS BEEN MISSING FROM VENIICE CALIFORNIA FOR 44 Years
     
  13. Robin Hood

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    I agree, it's as if they know or suspect who's responsible.
     
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    I always wondered/suspected that she might be a victim of EAR-ONS, too. I checked the EAR-ONS timeline at http://www.ear-ons.com/crimes.html to see if there were any known EAR-ONS crimes at the time that would have made it unlikely that he murdered Mrs. Neufeld. To my surprise there was an attack on a woman alone at 3:30 am on November 4, 1978 in San Jose, CA then on December 2, 1978 he attacked a couple in San Jose, CA at 4:30 am. There are no attacks listed on the timeline between those two. Where was EAR-ONS for most of November 1978? I noticed in the timeline that a few of EAR-ONS known attacks [in Northern California] took place later in the morning than I thought; for example, on Tuesday October 5, 1976, he assaulted a woman in Citrus Heights at 6:45 am and on Monday February 7, 1977 also at 6:45 am, he assaulted another woman in Citrus Heights.

    It is my understanding that Gerald Parker also attacked during the nighttime. According to the Casebook of the Bedroom Killer website https://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/bedroombasher, Gerald Parker’s MO is described as
    An LA Times article says this about Gerald Parker http://articles.latimes.com/1996-09-06/local/me-41114_1_death-penalty
    I can’t really find anything that specifically identifies the times that Gerald Parker committed his crimes, but I will keep looking. I would have the tendency to assume that it was night because he usually attacked his victims when they were sleeping.

    Before Patricia Neufeld’s case was on the Garden Grove Police Department’s website, I spoke with a policeman from Garden Grove who was familiar with Mrs. Neufeld’s murder asking him to include her case on the Cold Case page. He told me that they (the GGPD) did not believe that Gerald Parker was her killer – the way that he said this (and some of the other things that he said during our conversation) lead me to believe that there was someone who they suspected but he wasn’t going to tell me who it was other than just it wasn’t Mr. Parker.
     
  16. Peter Brendt

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    Hi,

    just jumping in on this:

    1.) Don't hang on the attack-time. Even if an SR/SK acts normally at night, there is always a possibility, he considers in one special case another time as better. ONS scouted and entered the places of his attacks sometimes weeks before. So if he found, prenoon was in this special case a good time because the majority of people in this area are off to work at this time, why not?

    2.) I haven't looked up Gerald Parker yet in detail, but it appears as if he had a similar signature?

    3.) The Neufeld-murder falls between the Maggiores, who were shot and the Offerman/Manning murders, who were bludgeoned to death. Over this time, the EAR rapes went on. So if the bludgeoning attacks ALL happened between the Maggiores and Offerman/Manning, this looks like the phase in which ONS developed to his final signature.

    So ... questions:

    1.) Was Parker's signature in the time of those bludegeoning attacks already fully developed?

    2.) Which timespan was covered by those bludgeoning attacks?

    3.) Where there in this time frame and in Orange Co. also stabbing, strangling or shooting attacks/murders of women, ages like 20-35?

    Can be, you have here a developing SK and then this developing phase would be, at least as far as the timeline goes, consistent with ONS.
     
  17. Ambercat

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    Finding out information about Gerald Parker was more difficult than I thought it would be. He was convicted for murdering

    Sandra Kay Fry, 17, of Anaheim on December 2, 1978
    Kimberly Rawlins, 21, of Costa Mesa on April 1, 1979
    Marolyn Carleton, 31, of Costa Mesa, on September 14, 1979
    Chantel Marie Green, stillborn, of Tustin, on September 30, 1979
    Debora Jean Kennedy, 24, of Tustin, on October 7, 1979
    Debra Lynn Senior, 17, of Costa Mesa on October 21, 1979

    He would drive around, usually at night, intoxicated on drugs and alcohol and attack women who lived in first floor condominiums usually while they slept. He would hit them with a hammer or a 2 by 4 (I was unable to really tell if he carried the hammer or 2 by 4 with him or he found it at the scene. Gerald Parker would rape his victims before killing them. He confessed to LE the crimes that he was convicted of and has always denied killing Patricia Neufeld.

    During the late 1970s, there were multiple people attacking and killing women in Orange County. I don’t think that they have all been solved. Jane Bennington was thought to be a victim of Gerald Parker, but when DNA tests were run, the DNA was not his. Savannah Anderson was murdered on May 14, 1979 by Robert Sellers, but before it was solved, it was thought to be committed by the “Bedroom Basher” (Gerald Parker). I know that there were several other women murdered around that time, so I will keep looking for more information.
     
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    What I can't find, is information actually giving details about the Neufeld-murder. Admittedly, I'm currently a bit challenged with my time for research, but nowhere is actually mentioned, how the unsub entered the house, the exact nature of the injuries (as in hit in the back of the head or on top of it, or whatever it was, number of blows). How much time did the the unsub spend in the house, and so on.
    What I try is to get some idea about this guy on the behavioral side to see, if it would be consistent with ONS or someone else who roamed Cali in those years. But admittedly, with what I see yet, I can't get a picture of him. But what I see (further research can still change that), is at least one difference to Parker. Parker was basically low organized, he acted relative spontaneously and he preferred the women alone. But this one went into a house with a woman and two children. So he had at least to be sure, the kids were not old enough to cause him trouble. When kids panic, they tend either to hide or to run and several of them in several directions, drawing unwanted attention. So in a way, he had to control the kids or had to know, there was no need. Means, he had to watch the family or know them from other forms of contact. That makes him either someone from the nearer circle around Patricia Neufeld or medium if not higher organized.
     
  19. Ambercat

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    I have been trying to research this information. I am beginning to wonder if LE is withholding some of it in case a suspect does ever surface there will be information that was not released to the public that only someone involved would know. I can't find the specifics of what part of the head she was hit on with the blunt object (bowling pin). So far, all of the newspaper articles at the time say things like
    that was from the Orange County Register on November 23, 1978.

    I think in the tv show on Investigation Discovery, they said that the killer got into the house from an unsecured sliding glass door at the back of the house, but I don't know if that was really what happened or the psychics "impressions." I tried to go back and see if I could confirm which it was, but so far, I haven't been able to.

    While searching for more information, I found an article from the Los Angeles Times, 14 March 1979, pg. OC A6 http://earbk.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=updates&thread=28&page=1 about Patricia Neufeld's murder being compared to the bludgeon murder of a 28-year-old Fountain Valley housewife, Joan Virginia Anderson. Both were committed before Gerald Parker's known murders and, eventually, William Lee Evins was eventually tried and convicted of Joan Anderson's murder.

    In another article available at the above link, a number of murders of Orange County women, including Mrs. Neufeld are discussed (The Bludgeon Slayer Takes the Weekend Off: Relief in Cities, By Gary Jarlson, Los Angeles Times, 29 October 1979, pg. OC A1.) --
    The women discussed in the article are Rosalind Foster of Costa Mesa (April 30, 1976), Robyn Cox of Costa Mesa (January 12, 1977), Jane Bennington of Corona del Mar (1977), Patricia Neufeld, Joan Anderson of Fountain Valley (March 3, 1979), Kimberley Rawlins of Costa Mesa (April 1, 1979), Savannah Anderson of Irvine (May 14, 1979), Kim Whitecotton of Santa Ana Heights (May 24, 1979), Jane Pettengill of Costa Mesa (July 19, 1979), Marolyn Carleton of Costa Mesa (September 14, 1979), Debra Kennedy of Tustin (October 7, 1979), and Debra Senior of Costa Mesa.
     
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    I came across an article from the December 3, 1978 Orange County Register after my last post. It has some interesting quotes from Patricia Neufeld's neighbors. http://newspaperarchive.com/santa-ana-orange-county-register-evening/1978-12-03/?tag=neufeld%20garden%20grove&rtserp=tags/neufeld?page=2&psi=14&pci=7&pep=garden-grove&psb=relavance
    A woman who lived two doors down from Mrs. Neufeld said this about her attack --
    Another of her neighbors said this --
    If this is actually the case, the killer either entered though or left through the front door.
     
  21. Peter Brendt

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    Nice work!

    I can't be 100% sure, but something about 80-90% says, this is not ONS. For the following reasons:

    - ONS used as weapon what he found in the house, for example a piece of wood from the fireplace. There is rarely doubt about the weapon. On the other hand, this one brought his weapon and took it with him when he left.

    - Like ONS, he came from the backside of the house and like ONS, he scouted the target out. But ONS with all the experience of the EAR rapes would never leave through the front door, leave it ajar or leave the TV on. On a hunch, I would see, ONS and this one were watching different TV shows (just kidding). But seriously, ONS kept his victims quiet. He used for example the thing with a saucer and a cup on the male victim's back to force them not to move and make no noise. This one on the other hand used the TV to drown out noise, his victims maybe would make.

    Soooo, question is, Parker, Evans or was there maybe another unsub on the road back in the days? I haven't done too much on Parker yet, but this looks a little bit too organized for Parker. Anything good about this Evans guy?
     

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